1700AD Scenario Development Thread

[Hightower]

The Maori provided significantly better and more organised resistance to European settlement than the Aborigines did. I think it is worth representing this in the game.

If we're not representing any of the native peoples of North America with cities, I find it hard to see why we'd represent the Maori with cities. The Maori at the very most were no more organized and provided no greater resistance.

 

[The Southerner]

If we're not representing any of the native peoples of North America with cities, I find it hard to see why we'd represent the Maori with cities. The Maori at the very most were no more organized and provided no greater resistance.

Point taken . The Maori could be represented as barbaian levy type (with spears) units then?

 

[Locutus_Morti]

We already have "Maori X" merc units. They don't need a special unit.

 

[blizzrd]

We already have "Maori X" merc units. They don't need a special unit.

Really? I have never seen units spawn in New Zealand.

 

[BenZL43]

-Is Ambon necessary? I would rather see Papua-New Guinea empty and later colonized by England or Germany

Ambon is located on the spice Island and a major city during the Dutch era of Indonesia, comparable to Batavia, Bantomia, Soerabadja and Makassar.
IIRC Tready of Zaragoza happens because Portuguese & Spanish fighting for Ambon.

However, in RFC Map the Spice Island does not visible so... I guess that's why Leoreth place Ambon on the tip of Papua New Guinea. I heard adding columns is more painful than adding row? Because we need additional 2 columns so Ambon can be placed at it's exact location.

 

[xcrissxcrossx]

You should include Kem, so Russia can control the Kola Peninsula and White Karelia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kem,_Russia

 

[Wondering Kid]

I'd say:

South America: Rename Ciudad Real as Mérida,as the latter is by far more significant for Mexico. Other than that, despite it looking kinda ugly and cramped, it's not bad. Maybe, eventually, give some more resources to Bogotá? Also, one city on northern Chile should work. Between the Stone and Copper tiles.

Asia: Maybe put a resource on Taiwan, as to give encouragement to settle Taipei? Move Shenyang 1S (changing the name I reckon) as to give a bit more space to Changchun *which I like, go Manchukuo!* and making it a port city. Way more useful.

Europe: Heraklion on Crete would be nice. La Coruña could be 1W, atop of Lisboa. Having or not Brest, now that's a hard one. But Milan should be replaced by Venice.

Anything besides that escapes me now... Ah well, at least I'm learning a lot of history thanks to you guys

 

[Oregon Lee]

Just got back after half a year of being gone. This looks amazing! Demo, why are there no techs? In the works huh?

 

[Wilhelm Meister]

Hi! I've been a lurker on this forum for a while but I think this 1700 scenario is a great idea. However I do have some suggestions regarding city placement.

North America: Looks good, but I think we should add a French Port Royal and an English St. Johns. Maybe Toronto should be French too.

Caribbean and Central America: First off, I think we should get rid of Belize and replace it with Spanish Oaxaca and Panama City. To make this setup better, I think that coffee and the Central American bananas should be in Panama's BFC and the fish in the Pacific should be moved into Oaxaca's range. Also I think Caracas would be better one tile west. Georgetown should be one tile northwest and be Dutch along with Paramaribo, and maybe we should remove Cayenne. In regards to the Caribbean, I think there should be an no Santo Domingo or Bridgetown, with a French Port au Prince and Martinique instead. Also I think there should be an English Kingston and Nassau and the spice island should be a hill with sugar on it and should be Spanish San Juan.

Africa: Lagos should be 2 east and 1 north of where it is now. Also I think we should replace Mbanza Kongo with Portuguese Luanda 1 south. Also I'm not sure there should be a native city in northern Nigeria.

Asia: I think this may have been brought up before, but I think that Madras should be French Pondicherry instead. I also think that we should remove Goa and replace it with Mughal or independent Bangalore and Dutch Cochin. I also think the Madras spices should be moved into one south so that Cochin can easily get it to help the Dutch UHV. Guangzhou would probably be better as Portuguese Cantao, and I don't think Ambon is a very good city, but I guess that it's necessary for the Dutch UHV.

Europe: I think the French should have Brest and the English should have Plymouth, Manchester, or both. Also I think La Coruna should either be moved one west or one southwest as Santiago. I think Krakow should be replaced with Warsaw one north. Also, like many people here, I think there should be Venice instead of Milan and it should be Austrian, along with Austrian Budapest. I think Budapest and Belgrade can coexist peacefully. And finally, I doubt this will fly but I think Frankfurt should be replaced with Munich one southeast. From what I know about modern German history, Munich has always been a larger and more important city than Frankfurt.

And that's it. Thanks for reading through that whole thing.

Well, I have to argue here because although Munich has ever had great cultural importance in Germany, Frankfurt was always economically more important and in the game I think they made it represent not only the city of Frankfurt itself, but specially the Ruhr industrial valley that has always been German's industrial heart and even today it's Europe greatest industrial complex.

 

[civ_king]

I'd say:

South America: Rename Ciudad Real as Mérida,as the latter is by far more significant for Mexico. Other than that, despite it looking kinda ugly and cramped, it's not bad. Maybe, eventually, give some more resources to Bogotá? Also, one city on northern Chile should work. Between the Stone and Copper tiles.

Asia: Maybe put a resource on Taiwan, as to give encouragement to settle Taipei? Move Shenyang 1S (changing the name I reckon) as to give a bit more space to Changchun *which I like, go Manchukuo!* and making it a port city. Way more useful.

Europe: Heraklion on Crete would be nice. La Coruña could be 1W, atop of Lisboa. Having or not Brest, now that's a hard one. But Milan should be replaced by Venice.

Anything besides that escapes me now... Ah well, at least I'm learning a lot of history thanks to you guys

Taibei should be a city in 1700

 

[soul-breathing]

My suggestion about the Chinese cities placement:

Shanghai should be the south of Yangtze River, Nanjing is more important than Hangzhou after Yuan Dynasty, Wuhan is an important industrial city in modern China (maybe exchange the place of Wuhan and the rice 1S could be better), and I delete Chongqing, so Guangzhou put 1W.

Taipei appear in early 19th cemtury automatically, also for reality.

This scenerio is based on the Industial and Modern Ages, and I think this placement is more close to China at 20th Century.

Spoiler :

 

[Jusos2108]

For gameplay I would keep Chongqing.

 

[Leoreth]

However, in RFC Map the Spice Island does not visible so... I guess that's why Leoreth place Ambon on the tip of Papua New Guinea. I heard adding columns is more painful than adding row? Because we need additional 2 columns so Ambon can be placed at it's exact location.

Both is equally annoying. I don't think I can keep the proportions of everything right while adding two new columns.

Just got back after half a year of being gone. This looks amazing! Demo, why are there no techs? In the works huh?

Yes, map first, techs later.

Well, I have to argue here because although Munich has ever had great cultural importance in Germany, Frankfurt was always economically more important and in the game I think they made it represent not only the city of Frankfurt itself, but specially the Ruhr industrial valley that has always been German's industrial heart and even today it's Europe greatest industrial complex.

Also worth considering is the fact that Frankfurt did only not become the West German capital after WW2 because they didn't want a prominent city to rule out Berlin in case of reunification.

It's also one of Europe's leading financial centers today, after London and Paris.

My suggestion about the Chinese cities placement:

Shanghai should be the south of Yangtze River, Nanjing is more important than Hangzhou after Yuan Dynasty, Wuhan is an important industrial city in modern China (maybe exchange the place of Wuhan and the rice 1S could be better), and I delete Chongqing, so Guangzhou put 1W.

Taipei appear in early 19th cemtury automatically, also for reality.

This scenerio is based on the Industial and Modern Ages, and I think this placement is more close to China at 20th Century.

I could see replacing Kaifeng with Wuhan and removing Hangzhou to make room for Shanghai. But including Nanjing doesn't look to be feasible without removing Shanghai entirely (as in the 600 AD scenario). I was deliberately going for some variation here.

 

[soul-breathing]

I could see replacing Kaifeng with Wuhan and removing Hangzhou to make room for Shanghai. But including Nanjing doesn't look to be feasible without removing Shanghai entirely (as in the 600 AD scenario). I was deliberately going for some variation here.

And Taipei? Taiwan is a focus point of China-Japan relationship after 19th century.

I prefer to move some food resources to the lower reaches of Yangtze River, nowadays it's the place with the largest population in China.

 

[baseballpie]

Well, I have to argue here because although Munich has ever had great cultural importance in Germany, Frankfurt was always economically more important and in the game I think they made it represent not only the city of Frankfurt itself, but specially the Ruhr industrial valley that has always been German's industrial heart and even today it's Europe greatest industrial complex.

But, with the upcoming map changes, won't both spots be settleable?

 

[Hightower]

For gameplay I would keep Chongqing.

Yeah, and Chongqing isn't really less important than Wuhan anyway. It's probably a one-or-the-other situation, but Chongqing is easier to fit. And then Kaifeng makes sense, even though it was less important by the 1700s (though I think it was actually a pretty big/important city from the late 17th century through the early 19th century, when a series of floods made it permanently less important).

 

[DC123456789]

I see you've decided to add a city in New France? Is it Quebec?

 

[soul-breathing]

Yeah, and Chongqing isn't really less important than Wuhan anyway. It's probably a one-or-the-other situation, but Chongqing is easier to fit. And then Kaifeng makes sense, even though it was less important by the 1700s (though I think it was actually a pretty big/important city from the late 17th century through the early 19th century, when a series of floods made it permanently less important).

But the Southwest of China is less in food resources, it maybe not be able to fit two cities-Chengdu and Chongqing.

 

[Leoreth]

But, with the upcoming map changes, won't both spots be settleable?

Settleable yes, but we certainly don't want to have both cities there. Munich also has the additional disadvantage of taking tiles from Vienna.

I see you've decided to add a city in New France? Is it Quebec?

It's Montreal 2N of the Boston spot.

 

[DC123456789]

Shouldn't that plot be Quebec though? Not only is that geographically correct, but Quebec City was far more important for most of the timeline. Montreal should actually be 1E of Boston, which obviously wouldn't work.