2012 CFC Presidential Election

[Ailedhoo]

Even if its not permitted, we still show a united front which has its own purposes as I have mentioned. Regardless on coalitions though, I think they should be permitted (duh) if only because the american system, which is predicated on a binary party system, doesn't work in this multi-party environment. Currently one only needs to have the most votes, even if your no where near a majority. (so if the election ended now under such a system, the commies would win 17 votes to 27 amongst the other parties, thats around 38 - 39 percent of the vote which would enshrine a minority of peoples will, and marginalise the rest)

One does not make a coalisition in a middle of a election: you make it after the election. To do otherwise would be unpragmatic for one must have all options open to ensure power.

Anyrate at the moment the Communist Party has 18 votes compared to the UltraConseratives Party's 10 and the Moderate Republican Party's 7. If either gained enough to slightly tip there is a risk of a Communist-Hisper coalistion forming as a counter attack. You want the hispers to have a political stronghold via making the Communist worried that they need an allaince to ensure their policies are layed out?!

Next election should hopefully be in August to allow ensuring that people will have more options to pick from and to ensure people have plenty of time to forge political movements.

 

[JohannaK]

Well, actually forming a coalition is quite useless since, you know, we're electin' a Prez and VP, so this means 2 of the 4 people will just do nothing.

 

[Terran Empress]

Originally Posted by Jehoshua
Even if its not permitted, we still show a united front which has its own purposes as I have mentioned. Regardless on coalitions though, I think they should be permitted (duh) if only because the american system, which is predicated on a binary party system, doesn't work in this multi-party environment. Currently one only needs to have the most votes, even if your no where near a majority. (so if the election ended now under such a system, the commies would win 17 votes to 27 amongst the other parties, thats around 38 - 39 percent of the vote which would enshrine a minority of peoples will, and marginalise the rest)

Originally Posted by Ailedhoo
... at the moment the Communist Party has 18 votes compared to the Conseratives Party's 10 and the Moderate Republican Party's 7. If either gained enough to slightly tip there is a risk of a Communist-Hisper coalistion forming as a counter attack. You want the hispers to have a political stronghold via making the Communist worried that they need an allaince to ensure their policies are layed out?!

And that my friends is one of the many dangers of FPTP the creation of two parties, and two parties alone, with it being Conservatives vs Comunist-Hipster party. With the people who would already vote Conservative voting conservative and the vice versia with the commie/hipster party eventualy some of these parties will "fall" and the members would join other parties with similar ideals leaving only 2 parties left with moderates to swing the vote one way or the other.

Another thing with what Jeho was saying that is also a danger of the FPTP, minority rule.

how we can fix FPTP I don't know, the best way in my opinion would be to get a group of people all together in a "forum" style and throw out their ideas and debate and compromise and just try out a new form of election, just like with the creation of the United States constituion, everyone threw out ideas and the delegates debated and compromised until a conclusion could be made.

Also yes i know i am taking this way to seriously but hey are you guys not, and also i get a message out that the voting system needs to be reformed so that's a plus.

 

[Jehoshua]

One does not make a coalisition in a middle of a election: you make it after the election. To do otherwise would be unpragmatic for one must have all options open to ensure power.

Anyrate at the moment the Communist Party has 18 votes compared to the UltraConseratives Party's 10 and the Moderate Republican Party's 7. If either gained enough to slightly tip there is a risk of a Communist-Hisper coalistion forming as a counter attack. You want the hispers to have a political stronghold via making the Communist worried that they need an allaince to ensure their policies are layed out?!

Next election should hopefully be in August to allow ensuring that people will have more options to pick from and to ensure people have plenty of time to forge political movements.

As I mentioned, I announced the coalition in the middle of the election precisely because it was a first for this game, and so I wanted people to be able to discuss it as compared to just springing it at the end of the election and insodoing creating an image of someone who is taking the game far too seriously, probably pissing people off even more in the process.

That said to be quite honest I have no idea what the fuss really is about, it just seems natural to me that in a multi-party system that parties would work together in the interests of democracy (ergo so the ruling faction has over 50% of the vote). So the antipathy certain individuals have shown to me personally, and to me announcing a coalition (which would have no practical application anyway if the possibility for a coalition is not added to the canons so to speak) is really quite astonishing, and rather unfortunate I might add.

 

[NedimNapoleon]

I dont see a need to create a coalition, these are presidential elections, even if you form a coalition the single party with the most votes is going to win, regardless of your coalitions combined votes.

 

[Ailedhoo]

As I mentioned, I announced the coalition in the middle of the election precisely because it was a first for this game, and so I wanted people to be able to discuss it as compared to just springing it at the end of the election and insodoing creating an image of someone who is taking the game far too seriously, probably pissing people off even more in the process.

That said to be quite honest I have no idea what the fuss really is about, it just seems natural to me that in a multi-party system that parties would work together in the interests of democracy (ergo so the ruling faction has over 50% of the vote). So the antipathy certain individuals have shown to me personally, and to me announcing a coalition (which would have no practical application anyway if the possibility for a coalition is not added to the canons so to speak) is really quite astonishing, and rather unfortunate I might add.

Its more a concern of getting around the voting process when the election is still in process. One makes links after the election so that people will not be pressued. Plus you might be putting off moderate conseratives who do not want to go full conserative or not-so-moderate conseratives who are alergic to the word "moderate." Plus it is opening to a hisper-communist coalistion. Do you want the hispers to be in the rule process?

 

[Jehoshua]

Well if by 'rule' you mean being shared winners in this years election Im not so concerned about it, its a game and has no impact on my life. Even if we delve down to the CFC level, there is still no reason for concern, especially since there are likely to be elections in the future and this debate is promoting a debate on democracy (which is the core of this, considering the undemocratic nature of the system the limited precedent in this game would have people follow). I tend to have a long-term view of things.

Anyways, announcing the coalition within the confines of the election itself and thus allowing for a debate on coalitions without springing a surprise on people, has the broader point therefore of promoting debate on democracy, and hopefully pointing the way towards a more democratic electoral system in this game in its later incarnations and getting people to think about democracy, and political structures while they are at it. Not to mention as I said being a new introduction to the game considering people presumed an american style FPTP system in the last one, speaking out now was still better than waiting till the end since at that point people would of thought they had won, and announcing it then would have a bad intonation to it. Ergo the mid-election announcement happened because of the way people would of reacted if I announced after the election as one would normally do if such a system was already commonly accepted. Sure may be bad for my electoral prospects, but its better from a human decency perspective.

 

[Skwink]

I don't think it really matters, since I was playing to lead a coup against whoever won anyway

 

[Ailedhoo]

I don't think it really matters, since I was playing to lead a coup against whoever won anyway

Can I join your coup?

I can be the cheif of secret police!

 

[NedimNapoleon]

Its October the 26th (7 days and several hours since the thread started) so is it safe to say that the Glorious Communist Party of CFC has won? Also, WIM shall take the title Chairman of the central committee CFC and I shall take the title Peoples Commissar of the Ministries of CFC

 

[Ailedhoo]

Its October the 26th (7 days and several hours since the thread started) so is it safe to say that the Glorious Communist Party of CFC has won? Also, WIM shall take the title Chairman of the central committee CFC and I shall take the title Peoples Commissar of the Ministries of CFC

In need of a head of the Civil Service? I for one fancy the title of General Secretery and would wish to make up for not getting the RLP its position...

 

[GhostWriter16]

I think the commies won even if the coalition were cleared, so the problem seems to have solved itself. Unless there was going to be a three way coalition...

 

[JohannaK]

Nah, we aren't going to look as try-hards.

 

[NickyJ]

I think the commies won even if the coalition were cleared, so the problem seems to have solved itself. Unless there was going to be a three way coalition...

Don't say it! Don't say it! Don't tempt them! I don't want to be forced into making a decision that will make a bunch of people hate me either way.

 

[JohannaK]

Let's face it, man, everybody hates you already.

 

[NickyJ]

Yeah, but then even more everybody would hate me!

 

[GhostWriter16]

Yeah, but then even more everybody would hate me!

I don't hate you and considering I had no idea what the crap to do about the coalition bit I wouldn't hate you regardless of what decision you had made

 

[GhostWriter16]

Good-game commies. Next year I'll be removing you from power

 

[NickyJ]

I don't hate you and considering I had no idea what the crap to do about the coalition bit I wouldn't hate you regardless of what decision you had made

Okay, more everybody except for one person.

Thankfully, it's over now.

 

[shadowplay]

Hipster/Douche concedes and congratulates west india man and NedimNapoleon on winning the election.

shadowplay/JoanK - Hipster/Douche 12

That's 10 more votes than I was expecting.