2012 NBA Playoffs

Not Inane, be a good trade for the thunder. Rondo is a far superior floor general than Westbrook.

this kind of profligate ignorance of rondo's offensive performance is pretty much symptomatic of watching only seven celtics games for the year. not that it matters since neither the OKC nor the Boston front offices would ever agree to that trade (due to Rondo's cheap contract and the chemistry problems it would cause on both teams)

anyway, a brief retrospective on some key characters of the 2011-2012 heat season:

Erik Spoelstra: He is not by trade an offensive coach, and that weakness has occasionally been painful over the past two years. I tore him a new one during the Celtics series for refusing to use the 2-3 pick'n'roll as much as possible when it was clearly the best way to release the intense ball pressure Boston was putting on Dwyane Wade, leading to the offensive malaise that plagued Miami from games 3-5. After the Celtics series, Spoelstra said Rivers "helped him become a better coach" by putting him through that seven game series, and he was right. Miami was forced to use a small-ball lineup with Battier at PF after the Bosh injury, but the Heat took note of Boston's surprising offensive efficacy using the same lineup with KG (even with Pierce and Allen playing at what was less than probably half strength) and used lineups that featured only one big man during the finals (generally Bosh for 38-40 min, Haslem for 10). The result was a wide open offensive attack that confounded Brooks's defensive rotations, spread the floor enabling a barrage of threes, and enabled wide lanes to the basket on dribble penetration. Spoelstra embraced this change while Brooks stubbornly refused to change his offensive lineup to counter, resulting in laughingly lopsided plus-minus stats for the Thunder big men who were forced to matchup against guys they had no counter for (Ibaka: -42, Perkins, -25). From a purely tactical standpoint, this NBA season was the triumph of small-ball and Spoelstra employed his small-ball lineups during the Finals to great success. Defensively, minus the few lapses in the Boston series brought on by the barrage of Miami misses allowing Boston to run in transition, Spoelstra has always done a commendable job. Overall, Spoelstra demonstrated a flexibility and inventiveness this season that make him a deserving champion of a coach.

LeBron James: Since there are a thousand and one paeans to his greatness on the Internet after tonight, I'll make only this point: the combination of athletic talent and technical ability that LeBron has dwarfs anybody in NBA history, and if he were to go up against any of the "legends" in their prime, he would kill them. This guy is taller than Bill Russell for chrissakes, and he has better quickness attacking the basket than MJ. Obviously, LeBron has had access to much more advanced athletic training and coaching techniques than his spiritual predecessors, but without a curve LeBron is the most skilled basketball player of all time. Now, of course, he has much better competition now than they did then...

Dwyane Wade: An athlete just doesn't get his knee drained for the hell of it, and Dwyane Wade clearly wasn't right this postseason. He was missing his explosive first step that made him a nightmare for defenses in the past, and the lack of a corresponding counter on defense made guarding fast PGs like Rondo and Westbrook highly problematic for him. Still, Wade proved that he has a ton of savvy and moxie in his game to continue playing as well as he did limping on one leg, using a ton of tricks such as his patented shot fake, timing on defense to block and steal, and slow changes of direction on offense to generate production for his team. We saw glimpses of the vintage Dwyane Wade, particularly in that unconscious 41 point performance against Indiana, but never him in full force for the course of a series. I sincerely hope that he can make a full recovery whatever's ailing him and be 100% come next Playoffs...

Chris Bosh: Fun fact: I temporarily lost my password to this account in April and created another login named "AmnestyBosh," partially in jest, but partially because I felt Bosh's role was too redundant with the rest of the big 3 on offense and he was always a step slow on defense. Well, Bosh has proved his value over the last two series, partially because he's finally embraced the role of playing the center and banging against bigger bodies as part of a small ball lineup. As the roll man in the Miami PnR attack, Bosh is a horrific mismatch for traditional centers like Kendrick Perkins and acts as a perfect release valve for his ballhandler, be it James, Chalmers, or Wade. On defense, he was horrific upon his return in Game 5 against the Celtics, but then... something amazing happened. Bosh stopped being a step slow reacting to dribble penetration, he timed his rotations correctly, and he influenced attacks on th basket. His wiry seven foot frame finally became Miami's best center option on defense that had been occupied by Joel Anthony for two years, despite the fact that Bosh was a third of a foot taller (to his shame :/). Also, you have to keep Bosh around because of this:


Link to video.

Mario Chalmers: Friggin' love you, 'Rio, as maddeningly inconsistent as you are. I've always had a soft spot for the mercurial underdog, and his name is so much f.cking fun to shout when he splashes a momentum-turning three. I just absorb the turnover or stupid foul you commit right after no problem, because at this point, it's almost expected. He swung Game 4 of the Finals for the Heat, but he was also pivotal in the Indiana and Boston series for the Heat when Bosh was out and Wade was struggling for the floor. The best part is, he's only earning 4 mil/year and will be on the books for two more years.
 
this kind of profligate ignorance of rondo's offensive performance is pretty much symptomatic of watching only seven celtics games for the year. not that it matters since neither the OKC nor the Boston front offices would ever agree to that trade (due to Rondo's cheap contract and the chemistry problems it would cause on both teams)

OKC doesn't need a scoring point guard, it needs one with floor vision to get Durant the ball. Rondo is far better than Westbrook at that. OKC would have better chemistry with Rondo than with Westbrook.
 
LeBron James: Since there are a thousand and one paeans to his greatness on the Internet after tonight, I'll make only this point: the combination of athletic talent and technical ability that LeBron has dwarfs anybody in NBA history, and if he were to go up against any of the "legends" in their prime, he would kill them. This guy is taller than Bill Russell for chrissakes, and he has better quickness attacking the basket than MJ. Obviously, LeBron has had access to much more advanced athletic training and coaching techniques than his spiritual predecessors, but without a curve LeBron is the most skilled basketball player of all time. Now, of course, he has much better competition now than they did then...
No, a baseless claim with no evidence to back it up. Bill Russel had freaking Wilt Chamberlain to compete with.


Chris Bosh: Fun fact: I temporarily lost my password to this account in April and created another login named "AmnestyBosh," partially in jest, but partially because I felt Bosh's role was too redundant with the rest of the big 3 on offense and he was always a step slow on defense. Well, Bosh has proved his value over the last two series, partially because he's finally embraced the role of playing the center and banging against bigger bodies as part of a small ball lineup. As the roll man in the Miami PnR attack, Bosh is a horrific mismatch for traditional centers like Kendrick Perkins and acts as a perfect release valve for his ballhandler, be it James, Chalmers, or Wade. On defense, he was horrific upon his return in Game 5 against the Celtics, but then... something amazing happened. Bosh stopped being a step slow reacting to dribble penetration, he timed his rotations correctly, and he influenced attacks on th basket. His wiry seven foot frame finally became Miami's best center option on defense that had been occupied by Joel Anthony for two years, despite the fact that Bosh was a third of a foot taller (to his shame :/). Also, you have to keep Bosh around because of this:
Bosh isn't the odd man out, Wade is. Miami should use Bosh more on offense he complements Lebron way more then Wade does.
 
No, a baseless claim with no evidence to back it up. Bill Russel had freaking Wilt Chamberlain to compete with.

So? Look at how skinny guys were back then:

chamberlain-russell.jpg


Saying the competition in the league in the 60s is comparable to what it is now is an insult to all the development and expansion of the talent base the league has undergone in the past half century. How do you think Wilt poured in 100?

NBA writing often lapses into a deification of the glorious past which forces grossly unfair comparisons on today's players. Like any athlete of any era, LeBron should be measured most against his peers, yet we're inundated with discussion all the time about what Michael or Magic would've done in his place... I made the contrast in a different way to go against the grain of what we've been shown; that a memory built on grainy highlights and nostalgia don't paint the most accurate picture of the past. If you want, go watch some clips of basketball in the 80s or earlier (not just highlights) and look at the way players move and carry themselves.

Bosh isn't the odd man out, Wade is. Miami should use Bosh more on offense he complements Lebron way more then Wade does.

Oh yeah we know you're still bitter about 06
 
Nice for LeBron. :king: Congrats to the HEAT!

His saying he was 'humbled' last year in the finals will win over some new fans.

IMO his newfound 'focus' is what changed this year... espcially starting in game 6 vs the Celtics. He looked determined to me, instead of the fun-loving attitude they seemed to have last year.

Seems Harden swapped his 4-20 shooting to Westbrook :sad: . When that 3 point shot got stuck between the backboard and the rim I had a feeling it was over :scan: .
 
If God isn't dead, he must have jumped off a bridge sometime during the 3rd quarter.

Congrats Heat. I still hate you.
 
So? Look at how skinny guys were back then:

chamberlain-russell.jpg


Saying the competition in the league in the 60s is comparable to what it is now is an insult to all the development and expansion of the talent base the league has undergone in the past half century. How do you think Wilt poured in 100?

NBA writing often lapses into a deification of the glorious past which forces grossly unfair comparisons on today's players. Like any athlete of any era, LeBron should be measured most against his peers, yet we're inundated with discussion all the time about what Michael or Magic would've done in his place... I made the contrast in a different way to go against the grain of what we've been shown; that a memory built on grainy highlights and nostalgia don't paint the most accurate picture of the past. If you want, go watch some clips of basketball in the 80s or earlier (not just highlights) and look at the way players move and carry themselves.



Oh yeah we know you're still bitter about 06
I thought you were implying something else, I completely agree that you can only really compare players to their generation.


I'm not sore about 06, last year fixed that.:p
Wade is the 3rd wheel. He has a scoring game style is very similar to Lebron. But Wade because is smaller and more injury prone then Lebron and doesn't provide something different like Bosh, he would be the 3rd guy.
I don't understand why people underrate Bosh, he is probably the best big man behind Howard and Dirk in the NBA.
 
You're overreacting to Chris Bosh's performance against a Thunder interior defense which was by all accounts did terribly (not in the least because of Scotty Brooks's defensive lineups). Since LeBron came to Miami Wade's game has evolved as well; he's much more of an off ball player who is excellent cutting to the basket from the weakside who can take pressure off the primary ballhandler. Wade might've picked his spots during these playoffs, but he's still an elite scorer and I think your assessment of Bosh in relation to him has a bit of personal bias.

Wade stats these playoffs: 22.8 ppg/5.2 rpg/4.3 apg/1.7 spg/1.4 bpg
Bosh stats these playoffs: 14.0 ppg/7.8 rpg/0.6 apg/0.4 spg/1.0 bpg
 
Wade really came alive in the 2nd half of games against the Thunder. Miami starting to gel together well, but they really do need a big man. Half the time I think a 7 ft metal pole would be an upgrade to what they have right now. But there aren't any big men that are affordable for the heat right now.

Roy Hibbert was the saddest story of the playoffs. At his size, he should have dominated Miami and scored like 30+ points a game in that series. He's like at least 4 inches taller than anyone on the heat roster.
 
Wade really came alive in the 2nd half of games against the Thunder. Miami starting to gel together well, but they really do need a big man. Half the time I think a 7 ft metal pole would be an upgrade to what they have right now. But there aren't any big men that are affordable for the heat right now.

Do you even read my posts? The Heat small lineup with Chris Bosh at center has been devastatingly effective over the past 9 games.

Roy Hibbert was the saddest story of the playoffs. At his size, he should have dominated Miami and scored like 30+ points a game in that series. He's like at least 4 inches taller than anyone on the heat roster.

What? Roy Hibbert had a stellar series against the Heat, a defensive game changer who seriously influencedattacks to the rim while he was in the game to the point that Indiana actually outscored Miami by double digits when he was on the court despite dropping the series 2-4. He doesn't have the offensive repertoire of Shaquille O'Neal, but no one in the league today does. If scoring in basketball was only about height, Manute Bol would be the greatest basketball player of all time.
 
I don't understand why people underrate Bosh, he is probably the best big man behind Howard and Dirk in the NBA.

Really? :lol:

Then why were there 25 players in the NBA with a higher rebounding average per game this season?

Bosh is a very talented player, but until he starts pulling down rebounds at a decidedly higher average than 7.9 (his rpg in 2012) I just don't see how you can say that Bosh is the 3rd best big man in the NBA?
 
Really? :lol:

Then why were there 25 players in the NBA with a higher rebounding average per game this season?

Bosh is a very talented player, but until he starts pulling down rebounds at a decidedly higher average than 7.9 (his rpg in 2012) I just don't see how you can say that Bosh is the 3rd best big man in the NBA?

Part of the reason Bosh doesn't get as many boards is because LeBron gets so many. About Hibbert, its not that its about height, that wouldn't matter if the heat had even 1 7-footer to match up against him. He had such a huge mismatch. He was going up against Pittman and Joel Anthony. He should have scored a lot more points. And the fact that he can't defend without fouling.
 
Really? :lol:

Then why were there 25 players in the NBA with a higher rebounding average per game this season?

Bosh is a very talented player, but until he starts pulling down rebounds at a decidedly higher average than 7.9 (his rpg in 2012) I just don't see how you can say that Bosh is the 3rd best big man in the NBA?
You should look at career stats instead of stats from a lockout season. He averages 9.1 rebounds for his career. Rebounding numbers are also not the only important big man stat.
 
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