2020 Election Thread!!!!!!!!!

[danjuno]

Re: Sanders and Biden: Age isn't totally disqualifying in this day and age. The former seems relatively healthy for his age.

If Sanders doesn't run, Gabbard would likely take up the Progressive mantle.

 

[Bridog7]

Bernie will continue the buttslapping onto the 2020 election whether he is running or he helps someone else get elected like a Tulsi Gabbard or Tim Canova. If the elites of the democratic party ignore the fact that a significant number of people want to slap Bernie's butt, then they will lose to Trump (McGuire) yet again because they failed to listen to a voice that is demanding real change and not just adding more to the bank account of billionaires. But clearly, too many people feel adding to the bank account of billionaires is the best thing since Koala's voice, so that's how we ended up with Trump (McGuire) and Hillary. (Not only, but one of many reasons why).

 

[Hygro]

who is mcguire and why do you keep including him in your post

 

[Bridog7]

who is mcguire and why do you keep including him in your post

McGuire is Trump

 

[Ferocitus]

I get that the Conservatives are willing to crow a little when Putin slaps the Democrats around but that's a long way from everything being jake. Putin is still a tyrant and a bully. Nixon showed us how to deal with such people in the 1970s. For some reason, not everyone is willing to learn from detente.

I'm not sure what you meant by: "Nixon showed us how to deal with such people"?
By declaring a War on Drugs to use against the burgeoning black rights movements?
By bombing Vietnam?
By being impeached himself?

For some reason, not everyone is willing to learn from detente.

Get rid of your own torture camps and rendition sites, and then you can fight from the moral high ground.

 

[Hygro]

McGuire is Trump

so why do you keep putting it in parens after Trump?

 

[Leifmk]

If the president is impeached or resigns within 2 years of being elected, then a mid-term election will be held. This means a 2018 election is possible. It will mess with the election schedule but nothing about this past election was conventional.

Can you give me a source on that? Because it's happened a few times that a president has died in office in the first half of his term and in each of those cases the VP has simply taken over and the next election has been held according to original schedule. Harrison, Taylor, Lincoln in his second term, Garfield, McKinley, FDR... also Nixon resigned before the middle of his second term, and what you state did not happen, instead his VP, Gerald Ford, took over and served the rest of the term.

 

[Lexicus]

I'm not sure what you meant by: "Nixon showed us how to deal with such people"?

The word detente didn't tip you off?

 

[onejayhawk]

I'm not sure what you meant by: "Nixon showed us how to deal with such people"?
By declaring a War on Drugs to use against the burgeoning black rights movements?
By bombing Vietnam?
By being impeached himself?
Get rid of your own torture camps and rendition sites, and then you can fight from the moral high ground.

None of those are close. The reference was to Putin and Russia. In Nixon's case, that would be USSR.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Détente

I understand that Nixon is the bogeyman for a lot of people, but he was genuinely gifted in some areas. Dealing with the Soviet Union was one of them.

BTW What was wrong with bombing Vietnam? It was working.

J

 

[Lexicus]

It was working.

Yeah, and so was gassing the Jews. I can't really express my feelings on this without violating the forum rules.

 

[Ferocitus]

The word detente didn't tip you off?

No, because Nixon's name is so tainted it muddies the waters and he didn't really achieve that much with regard
to the USSR. They were already doomed by their own stupid decisions to over-militarise.

And as for bombing Vietnam... it wasn't effective in the grand scheme of things because it contributed to discontent
within the USA, and that decided the ultimate fate of the invasion. And China continued on its merry way.

 

[Lexicus]

No, because Nixon's name is so tainted it muddies the waters and he didn't really achieve that much with regard
to the USSR. They were already doomed by their own stupid decisions to over-militarise.

Well, I certainly agree with that. I thought he was referring to China, which actually may be something of a feather in Nixon's cap.

And as for bombing Vietnam... it wasn't effective in the grand scheme of things because it contributed to discontent
within the USA, and that decided the ultimate fate of the invasion. And China continued on its merry way.

It was also, as you seem to understand, a horrific genocidal crime whose perpetrators should have been hanged. Justice is only for losers like Saddam though.

 

[Ferocitus]

Well, I certainly agree with that. I thought he was referring to China, which actually may be something of a feather in Nixon's cap.



It was also, as you seem to understand, a horrific genocidal crime whose perpetrators should have been hanged. Justice is only for losers like Saddam though.

It is generally accepted as a blunder. That's the most frequent official term in the US, IIRC. Invasion is definitely not used, and you have to be joking that
the US would ever refer to genocide in official documents.

I find a lot of the discussion about relations between the US and Russia and China to be distorted by the media,
who tend to focus on the sensational aspects. I read many scientific papers as part of my work, and I am continually
surprised by how many American and Russian scientists and mathematicians in my field hold dual professorships
in Russia and the USA, or China and the USA. There is far more "politics"conducted outside of Congress,
Parliaments and legislatures than inside.

 

[onejayhawk]

Yeah, and so was gassing the Jews. I can't really express my feelings on this without violating the forum rules.

Exactly backwards. Gassing Jews was not working. It was getting the way of the war effort. Bombing in Vietnam was helping the war and saving American lives.

No, because Nixon's name is so tainted it muddies the waters and he didn't really achieve that much with regard
to the USSR. They were already doomed by their own stupid decisions to over-militarise.

And as for bombing Vietnam... it wasn't effective in the grand scheme of things because it contributed to discontent
within the USA, and that decided the ultimate fate of the invasion. And China continued on its merry way.

It should not be tainted. From 50 years in the future, you should be able to see more clearly. Detente was also very effective in dealing with USSR. Too effective by some standards, eg Ronald Reagan's. His administration was a mess in domestic terms but brilliant in foreign policy.

You have a point about the bombing. Militarily it was very effective. If the objective was to win the war, it would have been a good first move. Politically it was unworkable, which Nixon eventually recognized. The withdrawal was part of the detente process.

It was also, as you seem to understand, a horrific genocidal crime whose perpetrators should have been hanged. Justice is only for losers like Saddam though.

You take the position that war is criminal, which makes no sense. If you cannot see the difference between nations in combat and police abusing civilians, there is little hope of understanding any time soon.

J

 

[Bridog7]

so why do you keep putting it in parens after Trump?

So people know I'm referring to Trump. If you ever played super double dragon, there's a clown named McGuire and it's Trump

 

[Lexicus]

Exactly backwards. Gassing Jews was not working. It was getting the way of the war effort. Bombing in Vietnam was helping the war and saving American lives.

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[Hygro]

I think people know you're referring to Trump when you say Trump and haven't played Super Double Dragon.

 

[onejayhawk]

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Thank you for admitting it.

If you wanted a real WW II comparison, the bombing of Dresden or the London blitz would have been better.

J

 

[Lexicus]

J, you were the one missing the point. As you demonstrate once again.

 

[Bridog7]

I think people know you're referring to Trump when you say Trump and haven't played Super Double Dragon.

But they don't know that trump throws people. And McGuire in super double dragon always does.