2020 US Election (Part Two)

[amadeus]

Out of curiosity, what state would your vote be counted in? Last state of domestic residence?

I believe so! I would just go based on my U.S. driver’s license, which I get renewed every few years.

 

[Ajidica]

I believe so! I would just go based on my U.S. driver’s license, which I get renewed every few years.

How does that work? When I renew my driver's license I have to go into the DMV to get my eyes tested and a new picture taken. Does the state DMV outsource that to whatever Japan uses for a DMV?

 

[amadeus]

How does that work?

It doesn’t!

I just keep my license valid in case I need to drive in the U.S., so my DMV experience is the same as yours. Sometimes they ask me why I’m getting it renewed even though I’ll have six months or a year left on it, and I just explain this is why.

American driver’s licenses are 100% invalid and inconvertible in this country as they’re issued at the state level and the Japanese DMV does not have reciprocity agreements with the 50 states, although it could be possible as Canadian licenses can be converted even though I believe they’re issued by province.

 

[Patine]

Canadian licenses can be converted even though I believe they’re issued by province.

They are. I can confirm that personally. Though each Province's automobilists' or motorists' association handles licenses and other related matters here. Whatever Provincial Government branch of bureaucracy is supposed to be tasked with it seems insular and atrophied - at least in Alberta.

 

[amadeus]

Thank you, @Patine for clearing that up! You can get your license converted here, but I think you still have to take an eye test. And maybe the written test? I’m not sure.

Japanese eye charts though don’t use letters, but circles with parts cut out of them and you say where the cutouts are. I have a mandatory health examination next month and I’ll be doing one. I’d better get to practicing on my squinting.

 

[Sommerswerd]

Disinterest is also the opposite of a statement.

Uhhhh OK... but then your response to this:

That's incorrect. Disinterest, and even disdain, is a bigger statement than you give it credit for.

was this:

You have a point, since 2018 was a statement election.

You can't have it both ways. So make up your mind. Desperately wanting to disagree with me isn't an argument.

 

[Gori the Grey]

However, any informed, intelligent and fairminded person will conclude that Trump has done a good job.

200,000 fewer are even around to conclude this, with probably 140,000 of those directly attributable to his mismanagement. Those people have family members and friends.

Then there the record number of unemployed. They may not prove fairminded enough to see how good a job he has done.

The suckers and losers in the military have now been "informed" how he feels about them and their willingness to sacrifice life and limb for this country. They may use that information to make a different assessment than you have done.

I'm a patient man. I can wait these remaining 44 days to see how the electorate will judge the job he has done.

 

[techumseh]

They are. I can confirm that personally. Though each Province's automobilists' or motorists' association handles licenses and other related matters here. Whatever Provincial Government branch of bureaucracy is supposed to be tasked with it seems insular and atrophied - at least in Alberta.

Interesting. I can add that all decisions about transferrability of licences between Alberta and other jurisdictions are made by the Minister of Transportation. Most US states and many other country's licenses are convertible in Alberta. Licences are issued primarily by private registries and by the Alberta Motor Association, a system that was established by a previous Conservative government.

 

[r16]

intersting turn of things in the thread . ls it related to New Turkey type of Democracy , recently in the news for being different to norms elsewhere , because Democracy in EU and US is rotten ? Now that ı would like talk about it ? Yeah , with all the talk about US Supreme Court , let me give you a relevant example on how New Turkey so easily trumps New America ... With a calendar of reviews and whatnot the Supreme Court in this country , which is actually still an A-K-P controlled institution must look like going against the Party , because they do not look like they will go and fight the Greeks and Macron , hence stuff . They will order courts to release people from prison . Accordingly the secretary of the internal affairs of the palace cabinet has called on the chief of the Supreme Court to ride his bike around , if he can . Enemies of the country of course interpret this as a possibility that some true patriot might kick the judge person down for being bought by the foreigners to release terrorists from the jail . This is where America is going . Lesser evil is better than inaction .

 

[Patine]

Interesting. I can add that all decisions about transferrability of licences between Alberta and other jurisdictions are made by the Minister of Transportation. Most US states and many other country's licenses are convertible in Alberta. Licences are issued primarily by private registries and by the Alberta Motor Association, a system that was established by a previous Conservative government.

There's a woman who works where I work from the UK who said converting her license was fairly easy. Mostly a bureaucratic reference (to see if see had any citations for traffic offenses in the UK and other things checked), another eye test and other test, and a test to make sure she knew the Alberta rules of the road (like driving on the right side of the road ).

 

[techumseh]

Good to hear. We tried to make it as accessible as possible.

 

[Estebonrober]

The three decades following the Second World War saw a period of economic growth that was shared across the income distribution, but inequality in taxable income has increased substantially over the last four decades. This work seeks to quantify the scale of income gap created by rising inequality compared to a counterfactual in which growth was shared more broadly. We introduce a time-period agnostic and income-level agnostic measure of inequality that relates income growth to economic growth. This new metric can be applied over long stretches of time, applied to subgroups of interest, and easily calculated. We document the cumulative effect of four decades of income growth below the growth of per capita gross national income and estimate that aggregate income for the population below the 90th percentile over this time period would have been $2.5 trillion (67 percent) higher in 2018 had income growth since 1975 remained as equitable as it was in the first two post-War decades. From 1975 to 2018, the difference between the aggregate taxable income for those below the 90th percentile and the equitable growth counterfactual totals $47 trillion. We further explore trends in inequality by applying this metric within and across business cycles from 1975 to 2018 and also by demographic group.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/working_papers/WRA516-1.html

Even if you cut these numbers in half it is insane and indicative of terrible policy. Imo it is the base cause for the slow march to great social upheaval.

 

[Patine]

The three decades following the Second World War saw a period of economic growth that was shared across the income distribution, but inequality in taxable income has increased substantially over the last four decades. This work seeks to quantify the scale of income gap created by rising inequality compared to a counterfactual in which growth was shared more broadly. We introduce a time-period agnostic and income-level agnostic measure of inequality that relates income growth to economic growth. This new metric can be applied over long stretches of time, applied to subgroups of interest, and easily calculated. We document the cumulative effect of four decades of income growth below the growth of per capita gross national income and estimate that aggregate income for the population below the 90th percentile over this time period would have been $2.5 trillion (67 percent) higher in 2018 had income growth since 1975 remained as equitable as it was in the first two post-War decades. From 1975 to 2018, the difference between the aggregate taxable income for those below the 90th percentile and the equitable growth counterfactual totals $47 trillion. We further explore trends in inequality by applying this metric within and across business cycles from 1975 to 2018 and also by demographic group.

https://www.rand.org/pubs/working_papers/WRA516-1.html

Even if you cut these numbers in half it is insane and indicative of terrible policy. Imo it is the base cause for the slow march to great social upheaval.

And hence, the plutocracy, the elite and tiny percentage of the population, the billionaires, who are the real political power in the United States (not the voters, and not the major political party organizations of their volition, much of the time), who flagrantly bribe government to get laws passed, regulations loosened, foreign affairs dictated, and even wars fought for their agendas and profit margins alone. Both major American political parties are thoroughly in their pocket. Although the plutocracy got it's original start in the Gilded Age, definitely this tax inequity helped them skyrocket out of proportion - while lining the pockets of Administrations and Congresses passing such laws.

 

[Estebonrober]

And hence, the plutocracy, the elite and tiny percentage of the population, the billionaires, who are the real political power in the United States (not the voters, and not the major political party organizations of their volition, much of the time), who flagrantly bribe government to get laws passed, regulations loosened, foreign affairs dictated, and even wars fought for their agendas and profit margins alone. Both major American political parties are thoroughly in their pocket. Although the plutocracy got it's original start in the Gilded Age, definitely this tax inequity helped them skyrocket out of proportion - while lining the pockets of Administrations and Congresses passing such laws.

On this we completely agree

 

[Narz]

Really good. Typical democrats not getting it, "be good and just vote for us to get rid of the bad guy"... people did that in '08, the democrats will probably win this year but only because their competition is someone as bad as Trump.

I wonder if anyone actually revolutionary could ever win the presidency.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Trump's hair vs 200,000 dead.

https://www.salon.com/2020/09/19/co...UjgJY5lC8kcqz-jQmqnb_KRhWzxxlCLXpwik2CCCgPV_Q

 

[Lexicus]

I'm not but it makes the court a complete joke.

The court's decision over the past 10 years have already made it into a complete joke.

 

[stinkubus]

The court's decision over the past 10 years have already made it into a complete joke.

I fully expect to see the CRA overturned on the grounds of "religious freedom" within our lifetimes.

 

[Arwon]

“We're going to have a victory on November 3rd the likes of which you've never seen,” Trump told a rally in Fayetteville, N.C. “Now, we're counting on the federal court system to make it so that we can actually have an evening where we know who wins. Not where the votes are going to be counted a week later or two weeks later.”

So what's the plan of the Democrats, journalists, civil service, judiciary, when Trump tries to have himself declared the winner on election night, directly claiming that later vote counting is faked and illegitimate, and tries to have judges endorse a victory and presumably stop that voting before the votes can be counted? He's telling everyone that's the plan now.

Does the entire defence rest in a tiny group of old men and women?

 

[EnglishEdward]

He's telling everyone that's the plan now.

If everyone knows the plan, it is not likely to work.