2020 US Election (Part Two)

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The Democrats were accusing him of ignoring the science back when they were ignoring the science, the deception cost lives and it was bipartisan. As for Trump's later behavior, he's guilty too. He should have been promoting masks from the start, but he was told not to by 'the experts'.


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Thanks for the answer. Your right, Trump did made some things right in the first few weeks. That reflected in his approval rating btw, which was on an all time high back than. His travel ban - highly criticized by the democrats - bought some time back then (even Fauci admitted that), the issue is the time was not used to prepare to the pandemic proper, and when the pandemic hit, it was managed awfully. Trump all in all failed horribly since April as a crisis manager.

Yes, the first 2 months Trump made some things right, and the dems some things wrong. But since April, it went the opposite way and thats my point.

Remember how Trump scapegoated nurses for stealing equipment? Or when he closed down testing sides in florida because "less tests less cases"? Or when he suggested to disinfect bleach? Or when he pushed to reopen schools without any concept? Or when he tried to scapegoat Fauci for his failures? Or when he held an indoor rally in the middle of the pandemic? Or when he told his very fine people to "liberate" democrat states i.e. to break anti-covid rules i.e. activly sabotating the governeurs efforts to get the virus under controll?

Mocking people over wearing masks - and make people belive it was the experts fault - is just one little part of the bigger picture, and this bigger picture is the reason why the US is leading the world in cases AND deaths. The bigger picture is a complete failure of leadership, and even worse, not due to being unlucky, but due to stupidy (reflects in eg suggesting to inject bleach) and egoism (reflects in eg holding indoor rallys, refusing to wear a mask as long the pandemic was raging in dem states or closing test sides cuz they make him look bad).

Feel free to disagree, id be happy about a constructive discussion :)
 
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The victims are the people, who went alogn quietly instead of forming workers' councils and eating the rich.

I don't really consider that victimhood but rather a political result not going their way. Plus the only people who would claim victimhood are those on the left. The people who are right wing cheered this result on as they got a right wing justice.

Thats not really true. He was mocking people for wearing masks, while - proven by Woodward KNOWING how dangerous the virus is. He was dividing people, and tried to make wearing masks a statement like "u wear a mask your against me". Considering that, do you really think it was entirely the peoples fault and not a bit Trumps?

They still chose to listen to him. Also Fauchie was saying the complete opposite. Would you rather listen to the president or an actual doctor?
 
Really self-descriptive:

Mitch McConnell ‘refusing to debate his election rival if there is a female moderator’
McConnell’s spokesman denied that it was anything to do with gender

US Senator Mitch McConnell and his challenger in the Kentucky Senate race, Amy McGrath, are sparring over upcoming debates.

It all started when Mr McConnell sent a press release from "Team Mitch" accusing his opponent of potentially backing out of a debate in October. But according to subsequent claims from Ms McGrath's campaign, the real issue is the senator’s refusal to participate in an event with a female moderator.

In a press release issued Monday, Ms McGrath's campaign alleged that "Amy is ready and willing to debate Mitch, but Mitch is afraid to take the stage unless he dictates every detail."

The release continues, "Mitch McConnell has not participated in a debate in Kentucky where the candidates took questions from a female moderator in nearly 25 years, and he continues to resist allowing women to host debates."

The campaign promised that Ms McGrath would participate in upcoming debates only when "the gender balance of the moderators is restored."

But Mitch McConnell’s campaign spokesperson Kate Cooksey said: “After spending two months attempting to add another man to the debate stage, Amy McGrath absurdly suggests gender discrimination by UK and Gray TV as the primary reason she can’t appear.

"The reality is that Team Mitch received an invitation, accepted it, and stands ready to debate on October 12. We sincerely hope Amy McGrath finds a reason to accept the debate rather than an evolving grab bag of laughably ridiculous excuses why she cannot.”

According to the Lexington Herald-Ledger, the debate in question is being hosted by Gray TV and moderated by Kentucky broadcaster Bill Bryant. Both Mr McConnell and Ms McGrath had previously agreed to participate in the debate, but the initial letter sent to both campaigns mentioned an additional female moderator, news anchor Shannon Cogan. By the time a second letter inviting both campaigns to the debate was sent out on September 16, only Mr Bryant was moderating. The Gray TV debate is slated for October 12.

According to a Data for Progress poll released last week, Mr McConnell is leading Ms McGrath in the Kentucky senate race. The poll showed 48 per cent support for the incumbent, and 41 per cent support for his opponent.​
 
Didn't Timsup2nothin say something about expectable presidentiality?

Obama accuses Trump White House of suppressing black voters in rare direct attack
‘Folks are working to keep people from voting, especially communities of colour,’ says former president

Spoiler :
Former US president Barack Obama has accused the White House of suppressing black voters in a new campaign video for Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden.

In the video, which has been shared with PBS before its release on The Shade Room, Mr Obama urges the US public to vote as early as possible for Mr Biden.

“As you know, the election is coming up, and I’ve got just one word for you: vote,” the former president says. “Actually, I’ve got two: vote early.”

Without mentioning president Donald Trump by name, Mr Obama then adds: “Right now, from the White House on down, folks are working to keep people from voting, especially communities of colour.

“That’s because there’s a lot at stake in this election. Not just our pandemic response or racial justice, but our democracy itself.”

The campaign video was released a day after an investigation by Channel 4 News in the UK accused the president of seeking to deter more than 3.5 million black voters from heading to the polls in 2016’s presidential election.

His campaign has been accused of targeting African American voters in 16 battleground states with negative ads of Hillary Clinton, with the aim of deterring them from voting.

Jamal Watkins, vice president of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), told Channel 4 that the organisation is troubled that there was allegedly an attempt to suppress black voters in 2016.

“So, we use data – similar to voter file data – but it’s to motivate, persuade and encourage folks to participate. We don’t use the data to say who can we deter and keep at home. That just seems, fundamentally, it’s a shift from the notion of democracy,” Mr Watkins said.Around two million black voters who voted for Mr Obama in 2012 did not do the same for Ms Clinton in 2016, after the Trump campaign allegedly put off black voters in state’s such as Wisconsin and Milwaukee. The Trump Campaign previously denied using any targeted campaigns on Facebook.

Voters have been casting their ballots early this year, as Mr Trump has repeatedly spoken publicly against people being able to vote by mail in this year’s presidential election and has claimed without evidence that it will cause a large increase in voting fraud.

The president has also refused to give the US Postal Service (USPS) more funding, despite it struggling during the ongoing coronavirus pandemic and under the leadership of postmaster general Louis DeJoy.

A deal to help fund the USPS was struck in the house last month, but is unlikely to make it through the Senate, as Republicam majority leader Mitch McConnell has said he will not accept a standalone bill for the service. President Trump has also threatened to veto it.

During an interview with Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo last month, Mr Trump said that the Democrats need the USPS funding “in order to make the post office work, so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots.

“But if they don't get those two items, that means you can't have universal mail-in voting, because they're not equipped to have it. They don't have the money to do the universal mail-in voting. So therefore, they can't do it, I guess.”

Democratic officials have urged US citizens to vote as soon as they can, in order to make sure their vote is counted for 3 November’s presidential election.

The Biden campaign also released a video of Democratic vice presidential nominee Kamala Harris on Tuesday, where she urges voters to cast their ballots early.

Ms Harris says in the video: “We know it’s all on the line, everything from women’s health to our jobs, from Black businesses to the quality of our schools and our communities.”

She adds: “And of course, we must defeat Covid-19 and confront racism and injustice in our country.”

Speaking to PBS about the new campaign videos, Kamau Marshall, the campaign’s director of strategic communications, said: “Our campaign is focused on meeting voters where they are, outlining Joe Biden and Kamala Harris’ plan to build back better, and encouraging them to vote,”

He added that the aim is for them to “reach a critical audience of black voters that we’re hoping to turn out this fall.”

Also I'll throw this in: Trump’s potential Supreme Court nominee slammed Obama for trying to ‘dramatically flip the balance of power’ as part of the gaslight-obstruct-project cycle.
 
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They still chose to listen to him. Also Fauchie was saying the complete opposite. Would you rather listen to the president or an actual doctor?

I would listen to the doctor ofc.

But lets say my & my families life improved a lot since trump took office, i dont care about state debt, racism or corruption, i dont know much about economy, i never learned about fashism or propaganda, my priest told me trump is sent by god etc. etc. , i believe the virus spreading is chinas, the WHOs and the dem governeurs fault
and then this president that (in my head) did so much to improve my life and (in my head) is battling the foreign Chinavirus against the democratic governeurs and the deep states resistance basicly says wearing a mask is a statement against me, blames fauci for the virus, and hints hes part of the deep state.

In that case, id listen to the president.
 
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I doubt that Biden will go this route, but something that could be effective against someone like Trump, who loves to ad-lib and shoot from the hip, is to highlight an unconscious tic, mannerism, or common word/phrase that he uses, and announce that is how you can tell that he's lying or about to tell a lie. Very similar to what Chris Christie did to Marco Rubio to make him implode in the 2016 debates. Something like saying "See folks, whenever he sniffs like that you know he is getting ready to tell a lie... There it is! Here's comes the malarkey! Yup, there it is again folks! You see that?! Another lie! There it is!"
And the tic to pick is talking over.
 
This will be the first debate I have ever bothered to watch. Though as I am at my in-laws, its possible my father-in-law (A staunch Republican and increasingly avid Trump hater) will get so annoyed that we have to turn it off!
If all those MAGA fans are correct then this will be Trump destroying a demented old man! Of course if Trump fails to do well, then they will have to either admit that Biden is a fully competent candidate or that their guy is even more demented!
 
"Everything he says is a lie"
- Biden

"I guess I'm debating you too, but I'm not surprised"
- Trump to Chris Wallace

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Trump needs to shut up occasionally.

Biden scratched his ear at the start sending all the conspiracy theorists crazy.
Does not appear to be a dementia patient. :)
 
How many seconds can Biden speak for before Trump interrupts seems to be theme so far!

When he gets a word in edge ways Biden is doing...okay. I did enjoy the injecting bleach comment!
 
Oh, debate’s on now! I saw it on the Japanese news but they have the translators talking over them. I’ll have to go back and watch it so I can watch in English. :crazyeye:
 
Oh, debate’s on now! I saw it on the Japanese news but they have the translators talking over them. I’ll have to go back and watch it so I can watch in English. :crazyeye:

Probably catch it streaming pretty easy...I just checked the updates page at CNN and Breitbart and got that both sides are calling Biden telling Trump to shut up the big moment so far.
 
Biden just managed to speak for 2 minutes uninterrupted!
:woohoo:

MVP of the night though is Chris Wallace!
 
Biden just managed to speak for 2 minutes uninterrupted!
:woohoo:

MVP of the night though is Chris Wallace!
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