2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Berzerker]

Always?

More often than not?

Why do you ask?

I think that the HOW you do it and the WHY you do it are much more interesting questions.

Then you should have no trouble at all locating plenty of examples. Dont get lost looking at the beach, find a few grains of sand and shout Eureka if you find them. The problem with your accusation is the GOP rarely does anything I like without being pushed. So what is there to defend? They're warmongers... I opposed Kavanaugh's nomination, would I do that if I always defend the GOP?

How and why? I try to be fair and avoid piling on. And I have an aversion to echo chambers, they do nothing but serve tyrants.

Yes, the guy in Portland who killed the Proud Boy seemed to be guilty of at least manslaughter, reckless homicide, something along those lines. Similar with Rittenhouse. Goose/gander you hypocrite.

I didn't accuse the Portland shooter of anything, I even suggested he might be able to claim self defense if the guy he shot maced him first. If this was similar to Rittenhouse the Portland shooter would have turned himself in, not given an interview about promoting his war.

And Rittenhouse was running away from the attackers he shot, the Portland shooter is on video hiding in wait for the guy to walk by and then he followed them. It would take a solid witness claiming he was maced before firing to back up a self defense claim, we can see what happened in Kenosha with our own eyes.

 

[Berzerker]

Do we have to do a Sommerswerd and quote your posts where you say ‘I defend the GOP’ and ‘I defend Donald Trump’ again?

No, you need to do a search and gather examples of me actually defending the GOP. Good luck with that...

 

[Sommerswerd]

I am reading the forum on my phone... which I dont have to do, since I'm home, but whatever... the side point is that on the phone, I can't see who posted on the bottom of the post. I have to scroll up to the avatar to see which CFC pal it is.

Anyway... the main point, is that when I clicked the thread and saw "And Rittenhouse was running away from the attackers he shot"... I immediately thought... "That's gotta be Berzerker" then I scrolled up to see the avatar.

 

[Berzerker]

I've used those words before to describe what happened so its not deja vu

 

[Timsup2nothin]

And I have an aversion to echo chambers.

And you call this an echo chamber.

So why the fudge are you here?

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Always?

More often than not?

Why do you ask?

I think that the HOW you do it and the WHY you do it are much more interesting questions.

Acknowledging the problem is the first step to changing...

But he can't even do that... and you call me apathetic? @Berzerker

 

[Yeekim]

Anyway... the main point, is that when I clicked the thread and saw "And Rittenhouse was running away from thee attackers he shot"... I immediately thought... "That's gotta be Berzerker" then I scrolled up to see the avatar.

I had no idea who the hell Rittenhouse is, but a short Google search found me this article:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.jsonline.com/amp/3537879001

Based on this, it seems he indeed ran away from the guys he shot.

That a statement of a simple fact is in itself enough to identify who said it, honestly tells more about the rest of this forum than it tells about @Berzerker.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

I had no idea who the hell Rittenhouse is, but a short Google search found me this article:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.jsonline.com/amp/3537879001

Based on this, it seems he indeed ran away from the guys he shot.

That a statement of a simple fact is in itself enough to identify who said it, honestly tells more about the rest of this forum than it tells about @Berzerker.

He literally travelled across statelines with a weapon he possessed illegally to agitate and intimidate people in a protest, and like most of your posts on the subject be it tangentially related to race or civil rights, betrays your own opinions.

 

[Gorbles]

I had no idea who the hell Rittenhouse is, but a short Google search found me this article:

For reference, as the link is impenetrable to even get context of without clicking:

Kyle Rittenhouse's defense team released a narrated video from the night of the shooting

So Yeekim just managed to stumble across a link directly from Rittenhouse's defense team. Having never heard about Rittenhouse before. And yet you don't come up with anything from every major outlet that will have covered the case. Outlets that'll have far better SEO than the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Hmm

 

[Cloud_Strife]

We've gotten to the point where someone can cross state lines, travel to an event with a weapon they aren’t allowed to possess, with the intention of using it (for whatever reason) and the usual suspects will still break their own backs trying to bend over backwards to defend the indefensible.

Rittenhouse is an agitator and a militia member and he deserves what is coming to him and the only reason the right defend him is because he's a white militia member and his targets were people they despise.

 

[Berzerker]

And you call this an echo chamber.

So why the fudge are you here?

Because the emperor has no clothes... So, you're sitting on the beach and you cant find any grains of sand now. Thats not good, Tim. There's plenty of people here comfortably outside of your echo chamber.

Acknowledging the problem is the first step to changing...

But he can't even do that... and you call me apathetic? @Berzerker

No, you called yourself utterly apathetic. How did you forget your own words already?

He literally travelled across statelines with a weapon he possessed illegally to agitate and intimidate people in a protest, and like most of your posts on the subject be it tangentially related to race or civil rights, betrays your own opinions.

He agitated arsonists by putting out their fires and they felt so intimidated they chased him.

We've gotten to the point where someone can cross state lines, travel to an event with a weapon they aren’t allowed to possess, with the intention of using it (for whatever reason) and the usual suspects will still break their own backs trying to bend over backwards to defend the indefensible.

Rittenhouse is an agitator and a militia member and he deserves what is coming to him and the only reason the right defend him is because he's a white militia member and his targets were people they despise.

The 3 men he shot were white

For reference, as the link is impenetrable to even get context of without clicking:

So Yeekim just managed to stumble across a link directly from Rittenhouse's defense team. Having never heard about Rittenhouse before. And yet you don't come up with anything from every major outlet that will have covered the case. Outlets that'll have far better SEO than the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Hmm

I've seen that video... Can you disprove it? They used the same video of the shootings as other media outlets, thats the only evidence we need to see if it was self defense or not. But they did show Rittenhouse removing graffiti that day and putting out fires that night.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

No, you called yourself utterly apathetic. How did you forget your own words already?

And you said you weren't a gop shill, I guess we've both lied then, eh?

He agitated arsonists by putting out their fires and they felt so intimidated they chased him.

He went to a protest with the intention of either intimidating or using his weapon, which may i add yet again, he possessed illegally AND travelled through state lines. He still committed a crime and your attempts to justify his actions only lower what dignity you have left.

The 3 men he shot were white

You realize the KKK have killed white people as well right? That doesn't make them any less pro-white supremacist, as is the case with the GOP.

 

[Estebonrober]

Then you should have no trouble at all locating plenty of examples. Dont get lost looking at the beach, find a few grains of sand and shout Eureka if you find them. The problem with your accusation is the GOP rarely does anything I like without being pushed. So what is there to defend? They're warmongers... I opposed Kavanaugh's nomination, would I do that if I always defend the GOP?

How and why? I try to be fair and avoid piling on. And I have an aversion to echo chambers, they do nothing but serve tyrants.



I didn't accuse the Portland shooter of anything, I even suggested he might be able to claim self defense if the guy he shot maced him first. If this was similar to Rittenhouse the Portland shooter would have turned himself in, not given an interview about promoting his war.

And Rittenhouse was running away from the attackers he shot, the Portland shooter is on video hiding in wait for the guy to walk by and then he followed them. It would take a solid witness claiming he was maced before firing to back up a self defense claim, we can see what happened in Kenosha with our own eyes.

This is all still a lie from what I know. You have half the footage. The initiation of violence by Rittenhouse seemed to be over a plastic bag. He was not running until he had already killed someone. You are a garbage person for defending any of these killing by stupid people acting stupid in stupid places.

 

[Estebonrober]

I had no idea who the hell Rittenhouse is, but a short Google search found me this article:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.jsonline.com/amp/3537879001

Based on this, it seems he indeed ran away from the guys he shot.

That a statement of a simple fact is in itself enough to identify who said it, honestly tells more about the rest of this forum than it tells about @Berzerker.

yea its a fudging lie, the footage starts after he already killed someone over them "lunging at him with a plastic bag" or some ****. Stupid people win stupid prizes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html

If you show up to really tense protests where the president has authorized vigilante violence and kill someone you are a fudging moron and deserve a manslaughter charge. fudge you if you think otherwise. fudge this stupid president. fudge your building being worth more to Fox News then human lives. fudge this stupid racist ass nation.

 

[Gori the Grey]

Just wait 'til you all hear this morning's breaking news. Maybe Berzerker's on the White House payroll.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Would they be innocent if they were shot attacking a cop? If Kyle was a Biden supporter putting out fires set by neo-Nazis or the KKK and they attacked him, would y'all be calling him a murderer?

They weren't shot attacking a cop.
Biden doesn't encourage people to engage in violent behaviour.
I never used the word murder, nor called Kyle a murderer.
Kyle could just as easily have become the victim himself, in that case, my point would still stand.

Other than that, smashing post!

Your whataboutisms are a compliment to the point I made. Apparently it was good enough for you to have to avoid it completely. However, you're welcome to try to address my post again.

 

[Kyriakos]

I am not seeing how Kyle would be less guilty if he had shot down KKK members. Being guilty of murder isn't related to who you kill, unless they have the means and intent to kill you. And as we saw in the kyle video, his attackers had the means to kill him (one had a handgun) and did not kill him, so obviously they did not have intent.
Of course he may have feared they would take him to some dungeon and rape him or whatever, but this doesn't change the fact he became a target precisely cause he walked around with a murder weapon and was thought to have already killed one protester (which he did - regardless of that being self-defense or not).

Basically Kyle was a snake retreating after it had bitten someone. And now he'll have to retreat to some far-away mountain if he actually doesn't get jailed for life.

 

[Gorbles]

I've seen that video... Can you disprove it? They used the same video of the shootings as other media outlets, thats the only evidence we need to see if it was self defense or not. But they did show Rittenhouse removing graffiti that day and putting out fires that night.

I don't have to disprove anything. We've had threads on Rittenhouse already.

I was commenting mainly because Yeekim decided to generalise a ton of OT posters for no good reason, in addition to doing some obviously shoddy research. This thread is about the election, yeah? No?

 

[Berzerker]

And you said you weren't a gop shill, I guess we've both lied then, eh?

He went to a protest with the intention of either intimidating or using his weapon, which may i add yet again, he possessed illegally AND travelled through state lines. He still committed a crime and your attempts to justify his actions only lower what dignity you have left.

You realize the KKK have killed white people as well right? That doesn't make them any less pro-white supremacist, as is the case with the GOP.

I haven't voted for the GOP in 4 decades. Utterly apathetic was how you described your opinion of right wingers, now you're objecting to your own description. Seems like you forgot you're utterly apathetic. He was running around putting out fires and he was attacked for it. Would you be okay if arsonists attacked fire crews?

If a white guy shot 3 other white guys I wouldn't call it evidence of white supremacist beliefs, Rittenhouse could have easily found black people to kill. No, the only people he shot were 3 white guys who attacked him. That speaks to his intent, not your dignified mind reading.

This is all still a lie from what I know. You have half the footage. The initiation of violence by Rittenhouse seemed to be over a plastic bag. He was not running until he had already killed someone. You are a garbage person for defending any of these killing by stupid people acting stupid in stupid places.

The footage I've seen shows him running around putting out fires. Rosenbaum chased him throwing a plastic bag (why I dont know). The kid got cornered and turned toward him and a witness said Rosenbaum grabbed his rifle and thats when he was shot.

He ran down the street and was attacked from behind, tripped and fell, and was hit by a skateboard. He shot that guy in the chest and then he got the drop on the 3rd guy who had a gun in his hand. He stopped in his tracks and the kid didn't shoot him, but instead of backing off he went for the kid anyway and got shot in the arm. I'd say we have excellent evidence of his intent.

yea its a ******* lie, the footage starts after he already killed someone over them "lunging at him with a plastic bag" or some ****. Stupid people win stupid prizes.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/27/us/kyle-rittenhouse-kenosha-shooting-video.html

From your link:

Six minutes later footage shows Mr. Rittenhouse being chased by an unknown group of people into the parking lot of another dealership several blocks away.

That was before anyone was shot

While Mr. Rittenhouse is being pursued by the group, an unknown gunman fires into the air, though it’s unclear why. The weapon’s muzzle flash appears in footage filmed at the scene.

Mr. Rittenhouse turns toward the sound of gunfire as another pursuer lunges toward him from the same direction. Mr. Rittenhouse then fires four times, and appears to shoot the man in the head.

They weren't shot attacking a cop. Biden doesn't encourage people to engage in violent behaviour. I never used the word murder, nor called Kyle a murderer. Kyle could just as easily have become the victim himself, in that case, my point would still stand.

Other than that, smashing post!

Your whataboutisms are a compliment to the point I made. Apparently it was good enough for you to have to avoid it completely. However, you're welcome to try to address my post again.

Are you saying a cop can defend them self from attackers but we cant? What was the point I avoided? Democrats have been encouraging violence, Biden's been in hiding.

 

[Yeekim]

He literally travelled across statelines with a weapon he possessed illegally to agitate and intimidate people in a protest

I don't know (and don't care to know) enough about this to have an opinion whether he acted in self-defense or not.
My whole point is that facts should not be treated as ultra-partisan.

For reference, as the link is impenetrable to even get context of without clicking:

So Yeekim just managed to stumble across a link directly from Rittenhouse's defense team. Having never heard about Rittenhouse before. And yet you don't come up with anything from every major outlet that will have covered the case. Outlets that'll have far better SEO than the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel.

Hmm

It's not a link from his defense team, as should be obvious. It is a link to an article discussing a video of his defense team, while being clearly critical to its (obviously) biased nature. Yet it says he was running away from those he shot.
And yes, I googled "rittenhouse", got a bunch of results on some historical figure and a video, a headline of which told me the guy's name is Kyle. Didn't feel like watching any videos, so googled "rittenhouse kyle". The link I posted was among the very first.
Don't feel like doing any more research, so if you have something from a "major news outlet" contradicting my point, feel free to post it.