2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Zkribbler]

Biden, Sanders, and Tom Perez and the DNC are under fire for not delaying primaries

Do these whackadoodles think Biden and Sanders control the dates for the primaries?

 

[Berzerker]

I imagine the party controls that and Biden's opinion would carry more weight than Sanders, but they're under fire for not objecting. Apparently no one said hey folks, maybe it aint a good idea to have thousands of our voters risk a contagion especially when the CDC is advising against large groups of people. Perez is taking most of the heat since he's the 'face' of the DNC.

 

[Patine]

I imagine the party controls that and Biden's opinion would carry more weight than Sanders, but they're under fire for not objecting. Apparently no one said hey folks, maybe it aint a good idea to have thousands of our voters risk a contagion especially when the CDC is advising against large groups of people. Perez is taking most of the heat since he's the 'face' of the DNC.

Your grammar is atrocious in that post, @Berzerker. Can you please rephrase?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I imagine the party controls that and Biden's opinion would carry more weight than Sanders, but they're under fire for not objecting. Apparently no one said hey folks, maybe it aint a good idea to have thousands of our voters risk a contagion especially when the CDC is advising against large groups of people. Perez is taking most of the heat since he's the 'face' of the DNC.

In terms of "under fire from Berzerker" who may be the only source of said flames, it appears they are, as usual, under fire for being Democrats. Or, perhaps Berzerker is just blissfully unaware that there were also Republican primaries because his right wing propaganda sources that he parrots constantly just didn't mention that.

 

[Berzerker]

Your grammar is atrocious in that post, @Berzerker. Can you please rephrase?

Better to let Glenn Greenwald say it for me, see below:

In terms of "under fire from Berzerker" who may be the only source of said flames, it appears they are, as usual, under fire for being Democrats. Or, perhaps Berzerker is just blissfully unaware that there were also Republican primaries because his right wing propaganda sources that he parrots constantly just didn't mention that.

Progressives and political observers found the decision to move forward with voting to be a mistake given the severity of the coronavirus.

"Trying desperately to urge people to take coronavirus seriously and to stay at home—and then holding elections and encouraging them to go vote at polling stations filled with poll workers and others: the opposite message—is appallingly irresponsible," tweeted Intercept journalist Glenn Greenwald.

https://www.commondreams.org/news/2...-shuts-down-primary-election-over-coronavirus

I haven't seen news about Republican primaries, everyone's been watching the Democrat's battle. Btw, do you have links to these right wing propagandists complaining about holding primaries? All I've seen are people on the left criticizing the DNC and Perez.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Btw, do you have links to these right wing propagandists complaining about holding primaries?

Don't need a link...you're a right wing propagandist and you are right here complaining.

 

[Berzerker]

Don't need a link...you're a right wing propagandist and you are right here complaining.

Yes, you do need a link. You said I was parroting right wing sources.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Yes, you do need a link. You said I was parroting right wing sources.

Indeed I did. So what's your point?

 

[Ironsided]

The right wing being the democratic party these days I guess MSDNC is a right wing source now?

 

[Estebonrober]

The more important question looking down the road, when will the actual election be held?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

even if Sanders drops out officially.

The fact that he hasn't quit yet to me indicates he wasn't deserving of my vote. There's no way he can win this now and efforts to win could endanger people.

I know he's busy dealing with the crisis but I can't believe it's too much of an ask for a brief press relief saying he's out even if it will take awhile for the legal machinery to kick in and officially end the effort.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The more important question looking down the road, when will the actual election be held?

The date of the actual election is mandated by the constitution directly. Not that I think the GOP wouldn't be willing to buck that if they could get away with it, but I don't think they could get away with it. There have been times where I thought congress would buy into suspending elections since it also makes their seats permanent, but with a Dem majority in the house and perma-D'ump as the price to pay I really can't see this congress going along with it.

 

[Tristan_C]

Yes, you do need a link. You said I was parroting right wing sources.

I would also be interested in seeing some of the right wing sources I'm parroting. Google is being increasingly reluctant to yield these up for some reason.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

@Timsup2nothin
I don't think Congress will be able to stop enough states from delaying elections if they decided to go that route. You wouldn't have to get every Red state to delay their election (or announce a delay) to cause enough disruption for all the states to go along with it.

I don't know if this will happen, but I expect if Trump thinks it will help him, there will be an attempt.

 

[Patine]

@Timsup2nothin
I don't think Congress will be able to stop enough states from delaying elections if they decided to go that route. You wouldn't have to get every Red state to delay their election (or announce a delay) to cause enough disruption for all the states to go along with it.

I don't know if this will happen, but I expect if Trump thinks it will help him, there will be an attempt.

Also, if a State election was, for whatever reason, cancelled (for the sake of argument), wouldn't it mean they'd cast no Electoral Votes, not just assumed for the incumbent, and thus if only Deep Red States were cooperating, it would actually be Trump's guaranteed loss anyways?

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Also, if a State election was, for whatever reason, cancelled (for the sake of argument), wouldn't it mean they'd cast no Electoral Votes, not just assumed for the incumbent, and thus if only Deep Red States were cooperating, it would actually be Trump's guaranteed loss anyways?

Honestly there are too many variables/what-ifs to forecast at this level of detail. If Trump really does move to postpone elections, there will be chaos and it's anyone guess what'll happen. I just know that this is exactly the sort of thing Trump would try based on past actions and statements.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

The right wing being the democratic party these days I guess MSDNC is a right wing source now?

Nah. MSNBC is still trying to feed their underserved niche target with "the news they want to hear." They aren't any more reliable for credible news than the right wing niche feeders, but they certainly aren't among them.

 

[Patine]

Honestly there are too many variables/what-ifs to forecast at this level of detail. If Trump really does move to postpone elections, there will be chaos and it's anyone guess what'll happen. I just know that this is exactly the sort of thing Trump would try based on past actions and statements.

He has backed down from, or chickened out of, a lot of other imperious and bold claims he's threatened already, so yes, it is difficult to say.

 

[Zardnaar]

I'm starting to wonder if Trump will make it to the election.

If the GoP dumps Trump they might keep the Senate but I think there's gonna be a lot if angry voters.

Are the Murdoch's and Koch's willing to go down with him when they can put another sane placeholder in?

Kool aids gonna wear off in about a week or two.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

@Timsup2nothin
I don't think Congress will be able to stop enough states from delaying elections if they decided to go that route. You wouldn't have to get every Red state to delay their election (or announce a delay) to cause enough disruption for all the states to go along with it.

I don't know if this will happen, but I expect if Trump thinks it will help him, there will be an attempt.

@Patine is correct. The electoral college meets when it meets, and if states choose not to participate that's really their problem. Similarly, every congress is new, even if it were made up entirely of incumbents. An attempted GOP election boycott would provide a huge campaign issue tilt in every state that did hold elections, so the subsequent congress would almost certainly have sufficient properly elected members to refuse to recognize the GOP "I'm the incumbent and my state refused to hold elections for my replacement" claimants.

An unsuccessful election boycott strategy eliminates the GOP from power completely, so it is an all or nothing throw of the dice. I can't see them taking that risk when their slow erosion of democratic process has gotten them so close to success. Trump will want to because for him it is now or never, but the state level GOP won't risk it.