2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Timsup2nothin]

Canada's system is far from perfect, either, I concede. We were GIVEN a colonized near-carbon-copy of the UK's Westminster tradition in 1867, like Australia was in 1901, New Zealand was in 1911 (I think), and South Africa was in 1910, but, like Australia, had a Federal division of power between national and regional government like the U.S. does. It has been a political system that has inspired a lot of griping up here, too. Our Senate is actually appointed, not elected. But, Canada has, for several decades, actually worked on Constitutional reform of meaningful and productive sorts. The U.S. has barely changed it's Constitution since setting Presidential term limits. I think some bragging rights are to be had here...

As the Patine monologue continues to inject "history of Canada" into the US election thread, we return to our regularly scheduled programming knowing that we can pick up Patine's continuing monologue at any time.

 

[Zardnaar]

Canada's system is far from perfect, either, I concede. We were GIVEN a colonized near-carbon-copy of the UK's Westminster tradition in 1867, like Australia was in 1901, New Zealand was in 1911 (I think), and South Africa was in 1910, but, like Australia, had a Federal division of power between national and regional government like the U.S. does. It has been a political system that has inspired a lot of griping up here, too. Our Senate is actually appointed, not elected. But, Canada has, for several decades, actually worked on Constitutional reform of meaningful and productive sorts. The U.S. has barely changed it's Constitution since setting Presidential term limits. I think some bragging rights are to be had here...

Back then the dominions didn't really think of themselves Canada or New Zealand etc.

You were British or a citizen of the Empire. Empire day was a thing.

I'm sure there was some latent nationalism bubbling away, WW1 changed things.

 

[Patine]

As the Patine monologue continues to inject "history of Canada" into the US election thread, we return to our regularly scheduled programming knowing that we can pick up Patine's continuing monologue at any time.

Yes, my "monologue," continues, and predictably the "shill and barker to support the problem and the broken system as is," remains in denial, ridicules me for bringing up "inconvenient truths," and tries to belittle me - because he has no rational or meaningful response or rebuttal to make.

Back then the dominions didn't really think of themselves Canada or New Zealand etc.

You were British or a citizen of the Empire. Empire day was a thing.

I'm sure there was some latent nationalism bubbling away, WW1 changed things.

I think the indigenous people of these four realms I listed were much more nationalist than the White denizens in those days.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Yes, my "monologue," continues, and predictably the "shill and barker to support the problem and the broken system as is," remains in denial, ridicules me for bringing up "inconvenient truths," and tries to belittle me - because he has no rational or meaningful response or rebuttal to make.

It's more like I don't see any relevance in arguing Canadian history at this point. If you want to start a Canadian history thread and see if it stirs some interest, be my guest.

 

[Sommerswerd]

LOL...sure man. Open honest GOP all the way. Have fun.

Now I understand the mafia term "openwolfing"

 

[Zardnaar]

I think the indigenous people of these four realms I listed were much more nationalist than the White denizens in those days.

Hard to say but seems that way.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Now I understand the mafia term "openwolfing"

I am number one open wolf, at least for the moment.

 

[Patine]

It's more like I don't see any relevance in arguing Canadian history at this point. If you want to start a Canadian history thread and see if it stirs some interest, be my guest.

I'm sick of talking to you.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I'm sick of talking to you.

When did you start? I have never noticed that anything in your monologue seemed particularly related to any conversation with me.

 

[Farm Boy]

I am number one open wolf, at least for the moment.

Unabashed predator? You do like Chicago Democrats. It's not like you've ever hidden your stance of open malice in politics, is it?

 

[Timsup2nothin]

Unabashed predator? You do like Chicago Democrats. It's not like you've ever hidden your stance of open malice in politics, is it?

That was a mafia game reference, and in the last game I played I was captain of the cannibals, so "unabashed predator" is fitting pretty well.

 

[Farm Boy]

You also could have left it as Chicago Democrat.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

You also could have left it as Chicago Democrat.

My brief residency in Illinois was during my apolitical period. Technically wasn't in Chicago either.

 

[Birdjaguar]

Well, at least she is going to die at some point, and I will at least celebrate that. Ding dong, the boomer witch is dead.

She is not now nor has she ever been a boomer. The oldest boomers are 74.

The Dems have been cutting taxes for the rich and allowing corporations to go overseas.

Reagan opened the door on the exodus of US companies to overseas locations.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Bernie Sanders swears in angry response to reporter
When CNN's Manu Raju asked Sen. Bernie Sanders about continuing his presidential campaign, Sanders said, "I'm dealing with a f**king global crisis."

Sounds like he's going to do what I suggested vis a vis calling it quits
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics...-swear-angry-response-coronavirus-mh-orig.cnn

 

[adcarrymaokai]

She is not now nor has she ever been a boomer. The oldest boomers are 74.

"Boomer" is not an age—it is a state of mind. I have a friend who is a boomer, and he is only 29.

Just like "skinny" is not a body shape, but a state of mind. Just like calling people kings and "kweens" isn't affirming their monarchical status.

Reagan opened the door on the exodus of US companies to overseas locations.

Yes, Reagan started this mess, but the Dems have never tried to stop it. It's almost comical that out of all people Trump is the one saying that companies need to bring jobs back to the US.

 

[Patine]

How do you defeat fascists when some of your allies deny they're even a problem or actively downplay their danger?

I think @Zardnaar just understands, as I've been saying here, that Fascists, as actual died-in-the wool, ideological Fascists, are not a big issue in the world today. There numbers are tiny, and they're almost as marginalized as transpeople. There ARE socio-political ideologies in the world that are big problems, and have a lot of power, and are doing a lot of damage. But they are NOT Fascists, and stubbornly insisting on calling them such does not make them such, nor is helpful to the dialogue or any solutions. As Kenyan ranchers say, "if you're looking only for lions stalking your livestock, you will not see the hyenas or the leopards."

 

[Zardnaar]

I think @Zardnaar just understands, as I've been saying here, that Fascists, as actual died-in-the wool, ideological Fascists, are not a big issue in the world today. There numbers are tiny, and they're almost as marginalized as transpeople. There ARE socio-political ideologies in the world that are big problems, and have a lot of power, and are doing a lot of damage. But they are NOT Fascists, and stubbornly insisting on calling them such does not make them such, nor is helpful to the dialogue or any solutions. As Kenyan ranchers say, "if you're looking only for lions stalking your livestock, you will not see the hyenas or the leopards."

Well that and try winning elections to keep them out of power.

Neoliberal like Biden or Conservative a'la Bush II isn't fascist. Trump isn't either but he's amoral and enables them.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

"Boomer" is not an age—it is a state of mind. I have a friend who is a boomer, and he is only 29.

If you are going to co-opt a word and use it as having a different meaning, generally common courtesy would suggest explaining that before the fact rather than after. But now at least we know when you say "boomer" it's just a randomly applicable pejorative.

 

[Patine]

If you are going to co-opt a word and use it as having a different meaning, generally common courtesy would suggest explaining that before the fact rather than after. But now at least we know when you say "boomer" it's just a randomly applicable pejorative.

Like you and quite a few others on this thread use "Fascist."