2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Timsup2nothin]

Yes, there are a LOT of geniuses, scholars, sages, erudite philosophers, and wise men on the mountain on this forum - or so you'd think by reading their posts with all of their puffery, pretense, arrogant attitudes, and vicious defense of every word rather than every admitting to being wrong.

Someone sent you a mirror, or did you just stumble across one?

 

[Patine]

Someone sent you a mirror, or did you just stumble across one?

I didn't actually exempt myself, there. I'm not that conceited or lacking in self-awareness. But I CERTAINLY didn't exempt you. In fact, your a prime and classic case study of my thesis you quoted.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I didn't actually exempt myself, there. I'm not that conceited or lacking in self-awareness. But I CERTAINLY didn't exempt you. In fact, your a prime and classic case study of my thesis you quoted.

LOL...do you really think that I didn't know you were talking about me...as you do in basically every post you make?

 

[Patine]

LOL...do you really think that I didn't know you were talking about me...as you do in basically every post you make?

What I didn't know was you had the monumental ego and narcissism to believe that you were the ONLY and SINGULAR person I was talking about. That it could ONLY have been you! That you are so swelled up with conceit and arrogance that you actually believe EVERYTHING I type and every jab and intimation must ONLY to you! That level of self-centered viewpoint is what I was not fully aware of until now. Thank-you for educating me on another of your personal character flaws...

 

[Timsup2nothin]

What I didn't know was you had the monumental ego and narcissism to believe that you were the ONLY and SINGULAR person I was talking about. That it could ONLY have been you! That you are so swelled up with conceit and arrogance that you actually believe EVERYTHING I type and every jab and intimation must ONLY to you! That level of self-centered viewpoint is what I was not fully aware of until now. Thank-you for educating me on another of your personal character flaws...

Note that yet again you are so busy talking about me that no one is likely to care what you are saying.

 

[Patine]

Note that yet again you are so busy talking about me that no one is likely to care what you are saying.

I was responding to broader accusation made by you from your massive ego. I have no real desire to discuss this segwe further.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

I was responding to broader accusation made by you from your massive ego. I have no real desire to discuss this segwe further.

LOL...I had no desire to "discuss" it in the first place, but I see no reason to let your attacks go unchallenged. Keep rushing the bull, keep getting the horns. I'll be around next time you think you are up to it.

 

[Patine]

LOL...I had no desire to "discuss" it in the first place, but I see no reason to let your attacks go unchallenged. Keep rushing the bull, keep getting the horns. I'll be around next time you think you are up to it.

That might be a valid response if my "attacks" were actually, solely, and only targeting you, and no one else, in this case, like your narcissistic delusional viewpoint demands. And there's also the fact that you declare them "attacks," when, in fact, they're "jabs." Now that I've (HOPEFULLY) made myself clear, I think we're done with specific topic.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

That might be a valid response if my "attacks" were actually, solely, and only targeting you, and no one else, in this case, like your narcissistic delusional viewpoint demands. And there's also the fact that you declare them "attacks," when, in fact, they're "jabs." Now that I've (HOPEFULLY) made myself clear, I think we're done with specific topic.

I have no particular reason to let your attacks go unchallenged just because they are a general hate screed that includes me rather than a specific hate screed about just me. I suspect that the rest of the targets of your malice probably appreciate me taking it up.

 

[Lexicus]

Powerful entrenched interests attempting to manipulate election results in favour of their preferred candidate is, at a minimum, not in the best democratic spirit.

But it is how bourgeois democracy works. Comes with the territory. My point is leftists need to figure out how to win in spite of this, not lose and then whine about it like we didn't know it all along. As others have pointed out if Bernie had been able to get a majority of votes/delegates in the primary contests, the consolidation of moderate candidates behind Joe Biden would have been irrelevant. Leaving aside the fact that young people and non-voters did not turn out in droves to vote for Bernie and give him a delegate majority, Bernie's apparent strategy of hoping the moderate field would remain divided long enough for his plurality to carry him into the convention with the more delegates than anyone else simply failed. That's all there is to it.

 

[Patine]

But it is how bourgeois democracy works. Comes with the territory. My point is leftists need to figure out how to win in spite of this. As others have pointed out if Bernie had been able to get a majority of votes/delegates in the primary contests, the consolidation of moderate candidates behind Joe Biden would have been irrelevant. Leaving aside the fact that young people and non-voters did not turn out in droves to vote for Bernie and give him a delegate majority, Bernie's apparent strategy of hoping the moderate field would remain divided long enough for his plurality to carry him into the convention with the more delegates than anyone else simply failed. That's all there is to it.

The New Democratic Party of Canada, who are Social Democratic ideologically, do quite well. They've always been, since merging from the much more hard Socialist CCF predecessor party in 1962, one of the top four vote- and seat-getters in every election, were the Federal Official Opposition from 2011-2015, and has held Provincial Government at some point or other in every Province (except Quebec, New Brunswick, and PEI), as well as the Yukon Territory. Not to mention that this electoral scheme has worked in many European Countries, Australia, New Zealand, and even Israel (Mapai/Labour). If Sanders and others in his ideological mold go with the Social Democratic viewpoint (soft Socialism that is syncretically alloyed with democracy and capitalism, not upending it), they may have more success in the future, frankly.

 

[Timsup2nothin]

And the Jets still need a new quarterback.

Spoiler Translation :

Patine still thinks we would be better off with a multi-party parliamentary system, still thinks that he has to keep repeating it because he holds us all in such low esteem that he thinks we missed it the first fifty times, and still has nothing to offer in terms of a transitional process for getting from where we are to where he suggests that we should be.

 

[Kaitzilla]

If Trump cancels the November election, it looks like Senator Chuck Grassley (87 years old) will become President on inauguration day if I'm reading the rules correctly.

 

[cardgame]

There will be no president on inauguration day if the election is somehow cancelled

 

[Patine]

If Trump cancels the November election, it looks like Senator Chuck Grassley (87 years old) will become President on inauguration day if I'm reading the rules correctly.

Is there an effective, "Father of the House," rule there?

 

[Azem.Ocram]

Bernie Sanders has done a commendable job mobilizing his supporters for charity and good causes!

 

[Patine]

There will be no president on inauguration day if the election is somehow cancelled

And, actually, if you read the proper omissions and lack of specific commissions in the text of the U.S. Constitution, it doesn't actually say a popular vote in the States is actually REQUIRED, per se, for the States to cast Electoral Votes. What THAT would end up meaning could be quite terrifying, and a possible road to tyranny - or civil war.

 

[Patine]

they are a general hate screed that includes me rather than a specific hate screed about just me.

If this is what you TRULY believe in your heart, then you are a disturbed, paranoid, and troubled man, and I do not have the professional qualifications to offer you any help.

 

[Takhisis]

And, actually, if you read the proper omissions and lack of specific commissions in the text of the U.S. Constitution, it doesn't actually say a popular vote in the States is actually REQUIRED, per se, for the States to cast Electoral Votes. What THAT would end up meaning could be quite terrifying, and a possible road to tyranny - or civil war.

Since state governments are not in the habit of appointing senators anymore you risk the theoretical scenario of havign an acting president naming ‘acting’ appointments left and right and ruling by executive decree with at best some judicial review going on, in the absence of a Congress.

As I've said a few times: mail-in ballots to the rescue!

 

[Patine]

Since state governments are not in the habit of appointing senators anymore you risk the theoretical scenario of havign an acting president naming ‘acting’ appointments left and right and ruling by executive decree with at best some judicial review going on, in the absence of a Congress.

As I've said a few times: mail-in ballots to the rescue!

The amendment in question SPECIFICALLY says "Senators." But I hope you are correct. What would they do in Argentina (or will do, if you happen to be having an election this year - I hadn't checked)?