2020 US Election (Part Two)

[Takhisis]

Sold Red State Governors and Legislators

Lucky slip of the tongue!

 

[Zardnaar]

We have a winner here!

Way I look at it at the worst Biden might be incompetent or won't do much.

That's an improvement in Trump who is going out of his way to hurt people and is grossly incompetent to the point of being a danger to the American people.

Even if Biden is a hard core neo con (he's not) he can still be reasoned with and pressured and it's the party that drafts legislation anyway.

The Democrats flawed as they are still an improvement.

They're really about 3 or 4 parties in a big tent.

 

[Patine]

We have a winner here!

No, another loser, just like you. Nobody is reading my posts, but instead several people are quick to attribute me false, slanderous, and baseless accusation of motivation, intention, belief, and support - a favourite tactic that Goebbels, McCarthy, and Trump have all been known to employ against those they disagree with.

 

[AmazonQueen]

No, I have never advocated for any such thing, regardless of baseless accusations by people who aren't reading my posts. I am advocating for Americans to show they care about their nation and it's advancement and better, and the power of THEY THE PEOPLE over malign, twisted, and treasonous government agendas, plutocratic rule through rampant corruption, and high crime at the highest level, and vote out BOTH major parties in the same election, and end the seditious and criminal soft tyranny of the Duopoly. I am unaware of having advocated for anything else as far as U.S. politics are concerned.

That isn't an option in this election though.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

No, another loser, just like you. Nobody is reading my posts, but instead several people are quick to attribute me false, slanderous, and baseless accusation of motivation, intention, belief, and support - a favourite tactic that Goebbels, McCarthy, and Trump have all been known to employ against those they disagree with.

you need to have a bong or something mate you're uptight

 

[Patine]

Way I look at it at the worst Biden might be incompetent or won't do much.

That's an improvement in Trump who is going out of his way to hurt people and is grossly incompetent to the point of being a danger to the American people.

Even if Biden is a hard core neo con (he's not) he can still be reasoned with and pressured and it's the party that drafts legislation anyway.

The Democrats flawed as they are still an improvement.

They're really about 3 or 4 parties in a big tent.

Again, you too, are accusing me of advocating I'm not. To all concerned, quit making baseless accusations against me and read my posts. If this carries on, you all will be written off as disingenuous liars, slanderers, and griefers, and with no credibility or legitimacy, and you will have well earned that earned that label.

 

[Patine]

That isn't an option in this election though.

Yes it is. An organized write-in campaign (an option Americans actually get over us Canadians and Britons) could accomplish it. If Americans gave a damn and had any pride, dignity, or patriotism left, and weren't just pitiful whipped dogs obeying seditious, crooked, and criminal masters of two political parties playing divide on conquer on their own nation.

you need to have a bong or something mate you're uptight

Quit insistently and aggressively pushing psychoactive drug "solutions." It's disgusting, and not all of us need to descend to that level to make it through life. So quit it!

 

[Zardnaar]

Again, you too, are accusing me of advocating I'm not. To all concerned, quit making baseless accusations against me and read my posts. If this carries on, you all will be written off as disingenuous liars, slanderers, and griefers, and with no credibility or legitimacy, and you will have well earned that earned that label.

Wasn't even directed at you.

Does the US need electoral reform? Yes. Right here right now it's Trump vs Biden pick one.

If you pick none it helps the incumbent.

That's the choice the yanks have. Pick one.

Being Canadian you've got the choice to hang out on an iceberg or something.

 

[Patine]

Does the YS need electoral reform? Yes. Right here right now it's Trump vs Biden pick one.

Just saying this in isolation, without making any other committed statement I know the wolves and vultures on this thread are slavering to hang me with, but this quote - in any election, really, not just this one - is almost always more a scare tactic than truth, in any mathematical statistic.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Just saying this in isolation, without making any other committed statement I know the wolves and vultures on this thread are slavering to hang me with, but this quote - in any election, really, not just this one - is almost always more a scare tactic than truth, in any mathematical statistic.

Really, provide us with the statistics for when a write in or 3rd party candidate last won an election in the US.

 

[r16]

come on people , it wouldn't hurt me at all for somebody to take note that Nancy Pelosi reminded Trump that it wasn't New Turkey and there was Democracy in the US , with regards to Trump's efforts to stay in power with total disregard to election results . And of course that the lesser evil argument is valid , even when one looks halfway across the world . Poster says this with widely accepted knowledge that he was on a death list and those who prepared it are happily waiting for a Biden Presidency to happen , because at least for the sake of appearance Biden will oppose New Turkey , with supporting the Congregation . And yes , Biden is better for America ... And the world ...

 

[Patine]

Really, provide us with the statistics for when a write in or 3rd party candidate last won an election in the US.

Write-In Victories:
Strom Thurmond - South Carolina Senate Seat, 1954.
Lisa Murkowski - Alaska Senate Seat, 2010

Third Party/Independent Candidates won quite a few Gubernatorial, Mayoral (of big cities), Senatorial, and Representative Elections throughout U.S. political history, and the U.S. Presidential Elections of 1824 and 1860 were full-out, four-horse races in truth, and Third Party/Independent candidates came VERY close in 1892, 1912, and 1992.

And, you quoted the wrong post of mine for the question you were asking.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Write-In Victories:
Strom Thurmond - South Carolina Senate Seat, 1954.
Lisa Murkowski - Alaska Senate Seat, 2010

Third Party/Independent Candidates won quite a few Gubernatorial, Mayoral (of big cities), Senatorial, and Representative Elections throughout U.S. political history, and the U.S. Presidential Elections of 1824 and 1860 were full-out, four-horse races in truth, and Third Party/Independent candidates came VERY close in 1892, 1912, and 1992.

And, you quoted the wrong post of mine for the question you were asking.

Very close doesn't really matter in a winner takes all system so for presidential races you are going back to 1860.
It should be noted that the Republicans were only able to win in 1860 because the democrats had split and were running multiple candidates then. Neither major party has split this time around. It wasn't a genuine multiple horse race because some of the horses were only running against 1 other horse, bit like if Bernie had stood as an independent he would have only hurt Biden.

edit: Basically the lesson is that in FPTP systems you have to choose a moment of crisis for a 3rd party to come through. Thats how Labour replaced the Liberals in British politics after WW1 and how the Social Democrats came close to replacing Labour in the 80s. Both made use of existing political structures to help them, they weren't created overnight.

 

[Patine]

Very closer doesn't really matter in a winner takes all system so for presidential races you are going back to 1860.
It should be noted that the Republicans were only able to win in 1860 because the democrats had split and were running multiple candidates then. Neither major party has split this time around.

Of course, I notice you just ignored all the non-Presidential victories I mentioned. This is a growing, troublesome, and unhealthy mentality toward American politics that a lot of Americans - and a lot of non-Americans - are buying into, and it's not good AT ALL. It enabled Bush's acts of high treason, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and many violations of the U.S. Constitution, it led to divisive consternation over Obama's Executive Orders, it has benefited Trump and all of his corruption and overreach immensely, and even some Biden/Harris campaign ads are already playing up the imperious perceived posture to advance their proposed agenda. But it is a myth, and the U.S. Constitution can clearly show that. The myth - the toxic myth with no good coming down the line - is that the U.S. President is the ONLY meaningful and relevant elected office in the American political apparatus. That Congress, the State Governors and other Statewide elected offices, State Legislatures, City and Town Mayors and Councils, and County, Parish, and Organized Borough Committees are all just sidenotes and not to be paid too much attention to - all eyes on the White House. This mentality is a big, big mistake, and not is AT ALL how the U.S. Constitution lays it out. The Athenian Democracy of Antiquity on having one meaningful elected position - the Archon, who was elected by the Citizen's Assembly annually - was a massive failure. No one with any brains in their head should EVER view an American Presidential Election as electing a dictator and tyrant for four years. All the other elected offices are there for a reason, and have important roles - in fact, each of Congress and the State are AT LEAST as the President. So, please shed that toxic and ruinous mentality, and pass on the sentiment to as many as you can.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Of course, I notice you just ignored all the non-Presidential victories I mentioned. This is a growing, troublesome, and unhealthy mentality toward American politics that a lot of Americans - and a lot of non-Americans - are buying into, and it's not good AT ALL. It enabled Bush's acts of high treason, war crimes, crimes against humanity, and many violations of the U.S. Constitution, it led to divisive consternation over Obama's Executive Orders, it has benefited Trump and all of his corruption and overreach immensely, and even some Biden/Harris are already playing up the imperious perceived posture. But it is a myth, and the U.S. Constitution can clearly show that. The myth - the toxic myth with no good coming down the line - is that the U.S. President is the ONLY meaningful and relevant elected office in the American political apparatus. That Congress, the State Governors and other Statewide elected offices, State Legislatures, City and Town Mayors and Councils, and County, Parish, and Organized Borough Committees are all just sidenotes and not to be paid too much attention to - all eyes on the White House. This mentality is a big, big mistake, and not is AT ALL how the U.S. Constitution lays it out. The Athenian Democracy of Antiquity on having one meaningful elected position - the Archon, who was elected by the Citizen's Assembly annually - was a massive failure. No one with any brains in their head should EVER view an American Presidential Election as electing a dictator and tyrant for four years. All the other elected offices are there for a reason, and have important roles - in fact, each of Congress and the State are AT LEAST as the President. So, please shed that toxic and ruinous mentality, and pass on the sentiment to as many as you can.

I ignored the non-Presidential victories you mentioned because they aren't good examples of how voters behave in Presidential elections.

 

[Farm Boy]

But you are advocating a course of action for US citizens to take that benefits Trump.

Politics may be the art of the attainable, the next best thing, but realpolitik is just so damn boring. Start where you want, and then everything else is just bull****.

 

[Cloud_Strife]

Quit insistently and aggressively pushing psychoactive drug "solutions." It's disgusting, and not all of us need to descend to that level to make it through life. So quit it!

Look do you want on this joint or what

 

[Sommerswerd]

Nah cloud he ain't tryin' to smoke.

 

[AmazonQueen]

Politics may be the art of the attainable, the next best thing, but realpolitik is just so damn boring. Start where you want, and then everything else is just bull****.

I spent my spell on achieving the unattainable 20 years ago, now i'm happy if I manage to avert the avoidable.

 

[hobbsyoyo]

Reports suggest strategy to bypass results in key states under discussion, but legal experts say such an effort is likely to fail

I don't think it's likely that all the red states would move on this, but remember that 2016 was decided by 70,000 votes in just three states. I absolutely can see 3-5 red states deciding to put their thumb on the scale in places where the race is tight by forcing their electors to vote for Trump regardless of the state's popular vote and even getting away with it. That may be all it takes to put him over 270 EC votes, as well.