90th Anniversary of the Passing of VI Lenin

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90 years ago today Comrade Vladimir Ilich Ulanyov (Lenin) died. As controversial a figure he was, he was arguably the most influential figure of the 20th Century who brought organizational form to Marxist theory that built a workers' state that lasted 74 years.

Thoughts?
 
"Most influential figure" - he should definitely be considered. There are so many candidates in the 20th century, Hitler being the first one which springs to mind. It would have been fascinating to see how Lenin would have ruled instead of Stalin. I doubt it would have been less brutal.

Anyway, RIP Comrade.
 
^ +1

The 'communist' revolution only made things worse. It was never meant for a state like Russia either, given it was "supposed" to work in smaller countries with large working classes which were syndicated.
 
Well, I, for one, being a Marxist-Leninist, am still amazed at the method and analysis he applied in writing Imperialism: The Highest Stage of Capitalism --- tell me he wasn't right about finance capital!

Also, my personal favorite is The State and Revolution which made the theory of the transitions from Capitalism to Socialism to Communism accessible to the working class.
 
Well it's not like people who live in the Marxist fantasy world are sensible to actual arguments based on historic facts. Like Lenin ordering the execution of thousands upon thousands of people, including young kids; closing newspapers and banning political parties; making the situation of the average Russian incredibly worse under his rule than it was under the Czar; creating a political police that killed in a year more than the Ochrana in all history; and so on and so forth.

Maybe pictures are more appropriate?
 
To be fair, as a good old traditional Eastern European mongrel, I cannot say that Lenin, or Marx's ideas brought anything good to us. It only brought terrible things, and after it's timely collapse, poverty. Also, there's the business when the Reds came to power in various countries, the ex-intelligentsia met a rather untimely end, with "lead" poisoning being the main cause for that.
 
Where was Lenin right?

About the expansion and nature of the imperialist stage of capitalism, which was only beginning to take shape when he wrote about it, including the nature of finance capital and how it drove imperialism.

Well it's not like people who live in the Marxist fantasy world are sensible to actual arguments based on historic facts. Like Lenin ordering the execution of thousands upon thousands of people, including young kids; closing newspapers and banning political parties; making the situation of the average Russian incredibly worse under his rule than it was under the Czar; creating a political police that killed in a year more than the Ochrana in all history; and so on and so forth.

Maybe pictures are more appropriate?


Link to video.

I do love how worked up you get about this. I can imagine you flailing at the keyboard angrily, becoming ever more self-righteous as you dream up new denunciations and appeals to emotion, and how to ignore historical circumstance (including the behavior of all other parties in the Civil War and after). Please, foam at the mouth some more for us?

To be fair, as a good old traditional Eastern European mongrel, I cannot say that Lenin, or Marx's ideas brought anything good to us. It only brought terrible things, and after it's timely collapse, poverty. Also, there's the business when the Reds came to power in various countries, the ex-intelligentsia met a rather untimely end, with "lead" poisoning being the main cause for that.

I cannot imagine what flourishing Eastern European country you come from, that the socialist period was so much worse.
 
How many more years do we have to wait before the threat of Zombie Lenin is finally cleansed from the Earth?

Link to video.

As distasteful as many of the actions taken by Lenin and the Bolsheviks were, lets not kid ourselves and think that the Provisional Government would have been a shining beacon of success that would create a totally-happy-and-perfect liberal democracy.
 
I cannot imagine what flourishing Eastern European country you come from, that the socialist period was so much worse.

Look, it's not like as the socialist period was bad. At least, economically. What it left us in legacy however, it was bad. Let's take a look at a random industrial plant in Sofia or something. It is generally made for import Russian coal and whatnot. However, now our dear Soviet friends are gone and it's practically useless.

Also, there's the bright decision to make heavy industry in a country with absolutely zero natural resources, and buying off patents to produce things. Which, in the end, raked up debt, which we're still paying. And we'll probably pay in the next, oh, 20 to 30 years, probably.
 
The Provisional Government was doomed to failure. Even the much-dreamed-about Constituent Assembly, which liberals love to whip out as this magical expression of liberal democracy that would have turned Russia into the United States overnight if not for those EVIL EVIL BOLSHEVIKS who shut it down.

See: Radkey, Oliver H. Russia Goes to the Polls; The Election to the All-Russian Constituent Assembly, 1917. Ithaca, NY: Cornell University Press, 1990. He goes into great detail about how horribly mismanaged the elections were, how chaotic and quite simply ridiculous the behavior of the constituents was (they were not ready for democracy at all, most didn't even understand what they were doing, and either voted en-masse as a village, or simply voted for whomever the last person they talked to told them to), and most of all, about the fact that in one party or another, the vast, vast majority of the voters endorsed a socialist government, and of that, most selected specifically revolutionary parties.

The Constituent Assembly wasn't a liberal dream, it was a rejection of liberalism.
 
Look, it's not like as the socialist period was bad. At least, economically. What it left us in legacy however, it was bad. Let's take a look at a random industrial plant in Sofia or something. It is generally made for import Russian coal and whatnot. However, now our dear Soviet friends are gone and it's practically useless.

Also, there's the bright decision to make heavy industry in a country with absolutely zero natural resources, and buying off patents to produce things. Which, in the end, raked up debt, which we're still paying. And we'll probably pay in the next, oh, 20 to 30 years, probably.

Well you can thank Zhivkov for that. You're lucky that debt didn't lead to the breakup of Bulgaria like it did Yugoslavia, which I'm sure you know about well. Strange thing about Bulgaria was, the changing of power there was really only driven by the desire to get rid of him specifically, and by an "oh hell, the rest of the Eastern Bloc is already doing it, we'd better go along too" attitude. It was hardly a rejection of socialism qua socialism.
 
Also, there's the bright decision to make heavy industry in a country with absolutely zero natural resources, and buying off patents to produce things.
Well, it was Soviet policy to foster economic interdependence and growth. Ideally, under their system economic growth would be spread (relatively) evenly, as areas that had resources would see growth through the extraction of resources and areas without resources would see growth from imported industries processing said resources.
 
Stalin on the Death of Lenin

Spoiler :
J. V. Stalin
On The Death Of Lenin
A Speech Delivered at the Second All-union Congress of Soviets[1]

First Published: Pravda, January 30, 1924;
Source: J. V. Stalin, Selected Works, The “8 Nëntori” Publishing House, Albania, 1979;
Transcription and Mark-up: B. and Mike B., August 2004

Comrades, we Communists are people of a special mould. We are made of a special stuff. We are those who form the army of the great proletarian strategist, the army of Comrade Lenin. There is nothing higher than the honour of belonging to this army. There is nothing higher than the title of member of the Party whose founder and leader was Comrade Lenin. It is not given to everyone to be a member of such a party. It is the sons of the working class, the sons of want and struggle, the sons of incredible privation and heroic effort who before all should be members of such a party. That is why the Party of the Leninists, the Party of the Communists, is also called the Party of the working class.

DEPARTING FROM US, COMRADE LENIN ENJOINED US TO HOLD HIGH AND GUARD THE PURITY OF THE GREAT TITLE OF MEMBER OF THE PARTY, WE VOW TO YOU, COMRADE LENIN, WE SHALL FULFIL YOUR BEHEST WITH HONOUR!

For twenty-five years Comrade Lenin tended our Party and made it into the strongest and most highly steeled worker’ party in the world. The blows of tsarism and its henchmen, the fury of the bourgeoisie and the landlords, the armed attacks of Kolchak and Denikin, the armed intervention of Britain and France, the lies and slanders of the hundred-mouthed bourgeois press — all these scorpions constantly chastised our Party for a quarter of a century. But our Party stood firm as a rock, repelling the countless blows of its enemies and leading the working class forward, to victory. In fierce battles our Party forged the unity and solidarity of its ranks. And by unity and solidarity it achieved victory over the enemies of the working class.

DEPARTING FROM US, COMRADE LENIN ENJOINED US TO GUARD THE UNITY OF OUR PARTY AS THE APPLE OF OUR EYE, WE VOW TO YOU, COMRADE LENIN, THAT THIS BEHEST, TOO, WE SHALL FULFIL WITH HONOUR!

Burdensome and intolerable has been the lot of the working class. Painful and grievous have been the sufferings of the labouring people. Slaves and slaveholders, serfs and serf-owners, peasants and landlords, workers and capitalists, oppressed and oppressors — so the world has been built from time immemorial, and so it remains to this day in the vast majority of countries. Scores and indeed hundreds of times in the course of the centuries the labouring people have striven to throw off the oppressors from their backs and to become the masters of their own destiny. But each time, defeated and disgraced, they have been forced to retreat, harbouring in their breasts resentment and humiliation, anger and despair, and lifting up their eyes to an inscrutable heaven where they hoped to find deliverance. The chains of slavery remained intact, or the old chains were replaced by new ones, equally burdensome and degrading. Ours is the only country where the oppressed and downtrodden labouring masses have succeeded in throwing off the rule of the landlords and capitalists and replacing it by the rule of the workers and peasants. You know, comrades, and the whole world now admits it, that this gigantic struggle was led by Comrade Lenin and his Party. The greatness of Lenin lies above all in this, that by creating the Republic of Soviets he gave a practical demonstration to the oppressed masses of the whole world that hope of deliverance is not lost, that the rule of the landlords and capitalists is short-lived, that the kingdom of labour can be created by the efforts of the labouring people themselves, and that the kingdom of labour must be created not in heaven, but on earth. He thus fired the hearts of the workers and peasants of the whole world with the hope of liberation. That explains why Lenin’s name has become the name most beloved of the labouring and exploited masses.

DEPARTING FROM US, COMRADE LENIN ENJOINED US TO GUARD AND STRENGTHEN THE DICTATORSHIP OF THE PROLETARIAT. WE VOW TO YOU, COMRADE LENIN, THAT WE SHALL SPARE NO EFFORT TO FULFIL THIS BEHEST, TOO, WITH HONOUR!

The dictatorship of the proletariat was established in our .country on the basis of an alliance between the workers and peasants. This is the first and fundamental basis of the Republic of Soviets. The workers and peasants could not have vanquished the capitalists and landlords without such an alliance. The workers could not have defeated the capitalists without the support of the peasants. The peasants could not have defeated the landlords without the leadership of the workers. This is borne out by the whole history of the civil war in our country. But the struggle to consolidate the Republic of Soviets is by no means at an end — it has only taken on a new form. Before, the alliance of the workers and peasants took the form of a military alliance, because it was directed against Kolchak and Denikin. Now, the alliance of the workers and peasants must assume the form of economic co-operation between town and country, between workers and peasants, because it is directed against the merchant and the kulak, and its aim is the mutual supply by peasants and workers of all they require. You know that nobody worked for this more persistently than Comrade Lenin.

DEPARTING FROM US, COMRADE LENIN ENJOINED US TO STRENGTHEN WITH ALL OUR MIGHT THE ALLIANCE OF THE WORKERS AND PEASANTS. WE VOW TO YOU, COMRADE LENIN, THAT THIS BEHEST, TOO, WE SHALL FULFIL WITH HONOUR!

The second basis of the Republic of Soviets is the union the working people of the different nationalities of our country. Russians and Ukrainians, Bashkirs and Byelorussians Georgians and Azerbaijanians, Armenians and Daghestanians, Tatars and Kirghiz, Uzbeks and Turkmenians are all equally. interested in strengthening the dictatorship of the proletariat. Not only does the dictatorship of the proletariat deliver these peoples from fetters and oppression, but these peoples on their part deliver our Republic of Soviets from the intrigues and assaults of the enemies of the working class by their supreme devotion to the Republic of Soviets and their readiness to make sacrifices for it. That is why Comrade Lenin untiringly urged upon us the necessity of the voluntary union of the peoples of our country, the necessity of their fraternal co-operation within the framework of the Union of Republics.

DEPARTING FROM US, COMRADE LENIN ENJOINED US TO STRENGTHEN AND EXTEND THE UNION OF REPUBLICS. WE VOW TO YOU, COMRADE LENIN, THAT THIS BEHEST, TOO, WE SHALL FULFIL WITH HONOUR!

The third basis of the dictatorship of the proletariat is our Red Army and our Red Navy. More than once did Lenin impress upon us that the respite we had won from the capitalist states might prove a short one. More than once did Lenin point out to us that the strengthening of the Red Army and the improvement of its condition is one of the most important tasks of our Party. The events connected with Curzon’s ultimatum and the crisis in Germany[2] once more confirmed that, as always, Lenin was right. Let us vow then, comrades, that we shall spare no effort to strengthen our Red Army and our Red Navy.

Like a huge rock, our country stands out amid an ocean of bourgeois states. Wave after wave dashes against it, threatening to submerge it and wash it away. But the rock stands unshakable. Wherein lies its strength? Not only in the fact that our country rests on an alliance of the workers and peasants, that it embodies a union of free nationalities, that it is protected by the mighty arm of the Red Army and the Red Navy. The strength, the firmness, the solidity of our country is due to the profound sympathy and unfailing support it finds in the hearts of the workers and peasants of the whole world. The workers and peasants of the whole world want to preserve the Republic of Soviets as an arrow shot by the sure hand of Comrade Lenin into the camp of the enemy, as the pillar of their hopes of deliverance from oppression and exploitation, as a reliable beacon pointing the path to their emancipation. They want to preserve it, and they will not allow the landlords and capitalists to destroy it. Therein lies our strength. Therein lies the strength of the working people of all countries. And therein lies the weakness of the bourgeoisie all over the world.
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To be continued...
 
About the expansion and nature of the imperialist stage of capitalism, which was only beginning to take shape when he wrote about it, including the nature of finance capital and how it drove imperialism.
So he predicted it would make the average citizen richer than ever before, in direct contradiction to Marx's prophecy of ever increasing exploitation and misery? He predicted that capitalism would triumph and his experiment fail?

He predicted that the major capitalist power would actually press for decolonization?

I do love how worked up you get about this. I can imagine you flailing at the keyboard angrily, becoming ever more self-righteous as you dream up new denunciations and appeals to emotion, and how to ignore historical circumstance (including the behavior of all other parties in the Civil War and after). Please, foam at the mouth some more for us?
You flatter yourself to think your apologetics of mass murderers provokes any reaction like that. As far as I care you and your ilk are like people from Stormfront; morally abhorrent but largely harmless.

Marxism was always a stupid fantasy with no basis whatsoever on reality and couldn't resist superficial examination. At one point, despite all its flagrant stupidity, it was quite widespread (not the first imbecile theory to become that widespread). Today it's so widely discredited and ridiculed that it is only embraced by fringe and pathetic elements of society, losers who blame their own personal failing on evil forces. Much like neonazis, really. While of course supporting genocidal maniacs and child killers will make the sane members of society react with disgust, this disgust is moderated by knowledge of your total insignificance.

The same working class that Marxists claim to represent (though of course Marx himself had precisely zero knowledge of it) rejects you, votes overwhelmingly against you always and everywhere, and brings down the statues of your beloved murderous tyrants.

That's about the size of it.

I cannot imagine what flourishing Eastern European country you come from, that the socialist period was so much worse.
Any one? Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Slovenia, Hungary, Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia, East Germany... they seem to be doing far better than at any point under communist tyranny. Ask their citizens, look at the economic numbers.
 
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