Aaron russo on the 9-11 inside job

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Video interviews are useful because you can listen while you read. Maximize your data collection.
 
They're inconvenient. A written out transcript of the interview is a lot more useful, because you can easily jump to whichever section you want and jump around at your leisure. A video has to be watched from start to finish.
 
Until some one who participated in the event comes clean, it will always be "just another conspiracy theory".
You must have meant "until proper criminal investigation has been carried out", surely?
You somehow failed to notice you're on a conspiracy theory thread? Check the post below mine: it's written in colour. You know, like in a children's book.

I have pointed out your tendency to highlight non-essential stuff before. I feel like I am talking to a deaf.
 
Who has time for random youtube videos???
What a ridiculous question when almost every thread on this forum has at least a couple in it.

After reading this thread, I have come to the conclusion that the conspiracy in Deus Ex is more realistic than the 9/11 "truthers".
After reading this thread I have come to a conclusion that there is more then one kind of "truther". There are plenty of those who call others truthers while they act like a sheep in acceptance of all official truths. These "reverse" truthers are either too lazy to think for themselves or are afraid of loosing their hold on the official truth.


What are yours? (PS: Youtube videos don't count) Find some credible sources that aren't biased towards this ridiculous "truther" crap and maybe we'll start taking you seriously.
You show great disrespect and superficiality. Since you give him this attitude I dont see reason why he should even bother.
 
You somehow failed to notice you're on a conspiracy theory thread? Check the post below mine: it's written in colour. You know, like in a children's book.
I thought that meant he is a sea dweller.
 
Who has time for random youtube videos???
Those who take national security & justice seriously do.

Conspiracy theorists only, I think.
No such thing as a "conspiracy theorist".
 
Commodor
What are yours?
I already disclosed a few. There are many more and will take more time to present.

(PS: Youtube videos don't count)
Since when? What makes their testimony less credible? If you difficulty discerning irrefutable data then simply ask.
:D

Find some credible sources that aren't biased towards this ridiculous "truther" crap and maybe we'll start taking you seriously.

I did. Plenty of them. Ive already posted several. What are your sources? (Find some credible sources that aren't biased towards this ridiculous Bureaucrat "falser" crap like CNN, ABC, BBC, Fox or other puke conglomerate media).


Jewish American (Former IDF)
Overhears Secret Meeting In
Cemetery - In Hebrew

By Ed Hass
12-2-6

excerpt:

- In October 2000, approximately 11 months prior to Sept. 11, 2001, a former Israeli Defense Force member and veteran of theYom Kippur War (1973) was collecting English Ivy cuttings at the Gomel Chesed Cemetery located at McCellen and 245 Mount Olive Ave. in Newark, NJ. The Gomel Chesed Cemetery is a 'Jewish' cemetery. While he was scouting the cemetery for ivy cuttings, he overheard what he believed to be a conversation spoken in Hebrew, which drew his attention. Curious, he walked toward the voices until he was close enough to accurately hear the conversation and confirm that it was indeed being spoken in Hebrew.
He found himself along a heavily vegetated fence line that sat on top of an eight-foot high retaining wall, which concealed his presence from the men engaged in the conversation. The two men he saw and overheard were casually leaning against the retaining wall beneath him.
As he watched and listened, a third man arrived to the meeting in a Lincoln Town Car. He emerged from the rear seat of the car while the driver and another passenger remained in the car. The two men leaning against the wall, upon seeing the arrival of the 3'rd man, changed their relaxed posture into that of attentiveness, signifying respect and the importance or ranking of the person that had just arrived. It was clear that the two men were waiting and expecting the arrival of the third, indicating that the meeting was pre-arranged. What the observer of these happenings heard beneath him after the normal niceties were exchanged between the three men alarmed him.

The man who arrived in the Town Car said, "The Americans will learn what it is to live with terrorists after the planes hit the twins in September."

One of the men that had been leaning against the retaining wall expressed concerns regarding whether the upcoming presidential election (Nov 2000) between Bush / Cheney and Gore / Lieberman could impact the plans. The man that arrived in the Town Car pacified the doubts by saying, "Don't worry, we have people in high places and no matter who gets elected, they will take care of everything."

Is this Muckraker Report source that has requested that I not use his name in this article, credible? Initially, I had my doubts. However, after listening to his account of what he attempted to do with the information he had obtained in the Gomel Chesed Cemetery, coupled with the plethora of independent media accounts of a vivid Israeli connection to 9/11, I decided that I should avoid contempt prior to investigation, and check out this story.

The source informed me that he wrestled with what to do with the information he stumbled upon while searching for English Ivy.
Truthfully, he fears for his life. Having served in the IDF and possessing a firm understanding of how the Israeli government and the Mossad really operates, his fears are justifiable and prudent rather than the result of skittish paranoia.

According to his account, on February 9, 2001, approximately 8 months prior to the airplanes being flown into the twins, he sent an e-mail to then Attorney General Ashcroft informing the Attorney General that he had important terrorism-related information.

The U.S. Department of Justice did not directly respond to the source. It forwarded the e-mail to the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Shortly thereafter, on March 28, 2001, the source received a letter from Arthur Radford Baker (FBI) informing him that if he had information to share, he should contact the FBI Newark Division.
The source contacted the FBI Newark Division and was told that 2 agents would be in contact with him, but no FBI agents came at that time.

The source continued to call the FBI Newark Division in attempt to pass his information onto the agency. He wanted to do this in person to ensure that it wasn't carelessly discarded or dismissed. He also sought a guarantee of protection by the FBI.

As September 2001 drew closer, he grew more impatient. He began to act with a sense of urgency because in his words, "Time was running out!" As he was getting nowhere with the FBI Newark Division, the source decided to write a letter to Arthur Radford Baker on May 21, 2001, the person that sent the letter advising him that he should contact the FBI Newark Division. In this letter, the source reiterated that he had important information to share with the government, but would need a guarantee of protection by the FBI before he could disclose all that he knew.

On the day that the source received a response letter from Arthur Radford Baker, June 26, 2001, now less than 3 months
prior to the 9/11 attacks, two FBI agents finally paid a visit. They were Agent Robin Gritz and Agent Andrew Stengel. The agents were shown the second letter received that day from Arthur Radford Baker by the source. The letter informed
the source that the FBI would not be able to do anything on his behalf.
<>http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id322.html [Photos of the cards left by agents Gritz and Stengel]

Without the guarantee of protection, the source was unwilling to disclose the complete details of what he heard at the Gomel Chesed Cemetery in October 2000.

However the two agents, Gritz and Stengel, spent 2-3 hours attempting to draw the information out of the source. What he did tell Gritz and Stengel is that there would be an attack in New York City and airplanes would be used. He emphasized once again that he could not provide greater detail without a guarantee of protection. The source has spoken favorably to the Muckraker Report regarding Agent Gritz and Agent Stengel. They must have been in a difficult situation.


It is assumed that they wanted the information the source had, yet were confronted by a letter from the upper echelon of the FBI command structure that indicted that the FBI was not willing to provide protection for the source, regardless of the information he provided. All they could offer was to "see what they could do". However, given the seriousness and scope of the intelligence the source maintained, he could not risk revealing the information on the flimsy non-committal being offered to him by two FBI special agents, particularly in light of the fact that he had just received a letter from FBI Headquarters telling him that the FBI was unwilling to do anything on his behalf.

Even though Gritz and Stengel told the source that they would see what they could do for him, the source has never heard from either of them again.
I contacted the FBI Newark Division on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 to confirm whether Agent Gritz and Agent Stengel met with the source on or about June 26, 2001. I was directed to the FBI Newark Division Legal Unit where I spoke with a woman who identified herself as Amy. She suggested that I put my request in writing and fax it to her, which I did that same day.

On Friday, November 24, 2006 I received a phone call from Amy confirming receipt of my written request. She informed me that she would be out of the office the following week, and that somebody else from the Newark Division Legal Unit would handle my request.

On Tuesday, November 28, 2006 I received a phone call from Kathy at the FBI National Press Office. She informed me that the Legal Unit decided that I needed to file a Freedom of Information Act request.

On Wednesday, November 29, 2006 I contacted Agent Robin (Gritz) Laird.

Since her meeting with the source on June 26, 2001, Agent Gritz has been promoted to a supervisor position within a counter terrorism unit at FBI headquarters. Once I had Agent Gritz on the phone, I introduced myself and immediately explained that I was attempting to confirm a meeting that herself and Agent Stengel allegedly had with the source on June 26, 2001. Agent Gritz was already aware of my inquiries. She indicated th at she understood that the Press Office was handling my request. I told her that I decided to call her directly and emphasized that I only wish to confirm the meeting. Gritz said, "I'm not allowed to discuss this with you. I would get in trouble." ...

The Muckraker Report has received copies of the contact cards
<>
<>http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id322.html


that Agent Gritz and Stengel left with the source on June 26, 2001. Both cards have old phone numbers crossed out and new phone numbers handwritten on them. Clearly, the handwriting would be that of the agents.


I also have copies of the letters received by the source from Arthur Radford Baker.


<>http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id323.html


The copies of the letters, the business cards, the way my initial request quickly reached FBI Headquarters, and the fact that Agent Gritz was obviously informed of my inquires and told that she was not to discuss anything with me, is sufficient evidence that there is yet another effort to cover up any information that strays from the "official" 9/11 story, especially any information that further exposes an Israeli connection to September 11th.

For the reader that is unfamiliar with the under reported stories of an Israeli connection to September 11, 2001, it is important
to do your own research. There is plenty to read and learn. However, as with any other news story that has been purposely censored, you will have to collect the pieces of the puzzle in individual news reports and piece them together to finally see the big picture.

Here are some search topics to consider.


Israel: Complete 9/11 Timeline
<>http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/...lete_911_timeline&geopolitics_and_9/11=israel

9/11 Investigative Journalist Harassed and
<>http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=91920

Beaten at his Home by Undercover Cops
Odigo says workers were warned of attacks
<>http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/9-11_warnings_odigo.html

The Israeli Spy Ring
<>http://whatreallyhappened.com/spyring.html

The Israeli Spy Ring Scandal
<>http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/spyring2.html

Israeli 9/11 Crook Flees with $57 Million to Israel
<>http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?read=91721

Pre-9/11 Put Options on Companies Hurt by Attack Indicates Foreknowledge
<>http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

Dov Zakheim and the 9/11 Conspiracy
<>http://911review.org/brad.com/batcave/Dov_Zakheim_911.html

Urban Moving Systems and Detained Israelis
<>http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/sears.html

These suggested research links are a great place to start. If you study them, and follow the links imbedded
in the content, in addition to further research, you will begin to have a better understanding of the
Absolute Death Grip Israeli Influence has on the U.S. You'll also discover that this influence is not sentimental
but rather Criminal and Treasonous to the fullest extent. I recommend that you print the content within these links as soon as possible so that you have a hard copy for future reference.

Of all the stories about an Israeli connection to 9/11, the Muckraker Report believes that the story of the Urban Moving Systems and the 5 Israelis detained on 9/11 is related to what was overheard at the Gomel Chesed Cemetery in October 2000. As reported by Scott Da Vault for What Really Happened, 'an employee of Urban Moving Systems, who would not give his name, said the majority of his co-workers were Israelis and were joking on the day of the attacks. (September 11, 2001)
T
he employee said, 'I was in tears, and these guys (Israelis) were joking, and that bothered me.' These guys (Israelis) were like, "Now America knows what we go through."

In October 2000, at the Gomel Chesed Cemetery, a former IDF member and veteran of the Yom Kippur War overheard, in Hebrew: "The Americans will learn what it is to live with terrorists after the planes hit the twins in September."

In closing, here are some additional quotes to consider carefully:

"I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the terrorists were assisted not just in financing -- although that was part of it - by a sovereign government/ It will become public at some point when it's turned over to the archives, but that's 20 or 30 years from now."
--Senator Graham (FL) as quoted in Senator:

At Least One Foreign Country Assisted the 9/11 Terrorists

"While I agree with you, if I say anything about US geopolitical interests with Israel, I might as well clean off my desk."

-- Unnamed reporter as quoted in American Media Censorship and Israel

"Investigators within the DEA, INS and FBI have all told Fox News that to pursue or even suggest Israeli spying ...
is considered career suicide."
-- Carl Cameron, as quoted in The Spies Who Came In From The Art Sale

"Evidence linking these Israelis to 9/11 is classified. I cannot tell you about evidence that has been gathered. It's classified information."
-- US official quoted in Carl Cameron's Fox News report on the Israeli spy ring and its connections to 9-11.

http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id322.html


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On June 25, 2001, Deputy Director Thomas J. Pickard, second in command at the FBI, was appointed Acting Director of the FBI by Attorney General John Ashcroft. In 1993, Pickard was promoted to the New York Field Office to serve as the Special Agent in Charge of its National Security Division, supervising the trials of the World Trade Center bombing defendants, the trial of Sheik Omar Ahmed Ali Abdel Rahman and his co-conspirators. In November 1999, he was appointed by Louis Freeh as Deputy Director.
Robert Mueller was nominated by President George W. Bush and became the sixth Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation on September 4, 2001. Mr. Mueller worked as a litigator in San Francisco until 1976. He then served for 12 years in United States Attorney's Offices, first in the Northern District of California in San Francisco, where he rose to be chief of its criminal division. In 1982, he moved to Boston as an Assistant United States Attorney where he investigated and prosecuted major financial fraud, terrorist and public corruption cases, as well as narcotics conspiracies and international money launderers. In 1993, Mr. Mueller became a partner at Boston's Hale and Dorr, specializing in complex white collar crime litigation. He returned to public service in 1995 as senior litigator in the Homicide Section of the District of Columbia United States Attorney's Office. In 1998, Mr. Mueller was named United States Attorney in San Francisco and held that position until 2001. He then served as Acting Deputy Attorney General of the United States Department of Justice for several months, before becoming FBI Director.
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http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/27/163915.shtml
Coleen Rowley's Memo to FBI Director Robert Mueller
An edited version of the agent's 13-page letter

May 21, 2002


FBI Director Robert Mueller
FBI Headquarters Washington, D.C.

Dear Director Mueller:

I feel at this point that I have to put my concerns in writing concerning the important topic of the FBI's response to evidence of terrorist activity in the United States prior to September 11th. The issues are fundamentally ones of INTEGRITY and go to the heart of the FBI's law enforcement mission and mandate. Moreover, at this critical juncture in fashioning future policy to promote the most effective handling of ongoing and future threats to United States citizens' security, it is of absolute importance that an unbiased, completely accurate picture emerge of the FBI's current investigative and management strengths and failures.

I feel that certain facts, including the following, have, up to now, been omitted, downplayed, glossed over and/or mis-characterized in an effort to avoid or minimize personal and/or institutional embarrassment on the part of the FBI and/or perhaps even for improper political reasons:

1) The Minneapolis agents who responded to the call about Moussaoui's flight training identified him as a terrorist threat from a very early point. The decision to take him into custody on August 15, 2001, on the INS "overstay" charge was a deliberate one to counter that threat and was based on the agents' reasonable suspicions. While it can be said that Moussaoui's overstay status was fortuitous, because it allowed for him to be taken into immediate custody and prevented him receiving any more flight training, it was certainly not something the INS coincidentally undertook of their own volition. I base this on the conversation I had when the agents called me at home late on the evening Moussaoui was taken into custody to confer and ask for legal advice about their next course of action. The INS agent was assigned to the FBI's Joint Terrorism Task Force and was therefore working in tandem with FBI agents.

more:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2002/5/27/163915.shtml

(Showing clearly that the FBI stonewalled investigation of 9-11.)
 
God Bless Andras Szekely!

Follow up to the “Prior knowledge of 9/11 attacks overheard in Hebrew” story: FBI looks for documents where they cannot be found
Mekt_Ranzz Wed, 04/04/2007 - 11:40am

Andras Szekely
David M. Hardy
Ed Haas
FBI
Muckraker Report

Source: http://www.muckrakerreport.com/id387.html

Follow up to the “Prior knowledge of 9/11 attacks overheard in Hebrew” story:
FBI looks for documents where they cannot be found

April 4, 2007 – His name is Andras Szekely. He was born in Budapest, Hungary – the son of Holocaust survivors. At age 18, Andras fled Hungary seeking work, financial opportunity, and a better life. He landed in Italy where he sought political asylum. From Italy he immigrated to Sweden where he says he was welcomed with “open arms”. Young, and with a strong curiosity for exploration, Szekely set out to travel across Europe. Soon he found himself yearning for Israel.

He immigrated to Israel, served in the military, and fought in the Yom Kippur War (1973). After the war, he became disenchanted with the state of Israel because in his words, “I realized that the state of Israel was not a Jewish state, but rather a bunch of criminals from top to bottom.” He left Zionism behind and headed back to Europe. Eventually he found himself in the United States of America. According to Szekely, “Thanks to President Ronald Reagan, I was able to become an American citizen. I cannot put into words what a blessing it is…not necessarily financially, but spiritually and emotionally.”

Andras Szekely is the Muckraker Report source for the articles, Prior knowledge of 9/11 attacks overheard in Hebrew and Chasing down Gomel Chesed Cemetery. The summary of these two articles is as follows:

In October 2000, approximately 11 months prior to September 11, 2001, Andras Szekely was collecting English Ivy cuttings at the Gomel Chesed Cemetery located at Mccellan and 245 Mount Olive Avenue, which is near the city lines of Elizabeth and Newark, New Jersey. While in the cemetery, Szekely overheard three men, speaking in Hebrew, say:

“The Americans will learn what it is to live with terrorists after the planes hit the twins in September.”

Szekely, well in advance of 9/11, contacted the FBI asking for protection in exchange for his information. Having lived around the world in many different countries, Szekely had a healthy fear of being targeted by those he overheard in the cemetery. Unlike too many Americans, he understands that people suddenly disappear and family members are at risk when you cross the wrong people. So just to be clear – asking for protection in exchange for the information he had was prompted by his lifetime of cultural / governmental experiences. It was a prudent request in my opinion.

The FBI refused to guarantee protection for this individual. Even though Szekely told the FBI this much – that he had information involving a planned attack in NYC involving airplanes – the FBI refused to guarantee his protection. The former IDF member persisted, and according to his account, two FBI agents finally paid him a visit on June 26, 2001. They left their business cards with him.

The Muckraker Report contacted the FBI Newark Division on Wednesday, November 22, 2006 to confirm whether Agent Gritz and Agent Stengel met with Andras Szekely on or about June 26, 2001. I was directed to the FBI Newark Division Legal Unit where I spoke with a woman who identified herself as Amy. She suggested that I put my request in writing and fax it to her, which I did that same day.

On Friday, November 24, 2006 I received a phone call from Amy confirming receipt of my written request. She informed me that she would be out of the office the following week, and that somebody else from the Newark Division Legal Unit would handle my request.

On Tuesday, November 28, 2006 I received a phone call from Kathy at the FBI National Press Office. She informed me that the Legal Unit decided that I needed to file a Freedom of Information Act request.

On Wednesday, November 29, 2006 I contacted Agent Robin (Gritz) Laird. Once I had Agent Gritz on the phone, I introduced myself and immediately explained that I was attempting to confirm a meeting that herself and Agent Stengel allegedly had with Szekely on June 26, 2001. Agent Gritz was already aware of my inquiries. She indicated that she understood that the Press Office was handling my request. I told her that I decided to call her directly and emphasized that I only wish to confirm the meeting. Gritz said, “I’m not allowed to discuss this with you. I would get in trouble.”

I also filed a Freedom of Information Act request with the FBI. In my request dated December 7, 2006, I asked for the following information. What follows is the body of my FOIA request.

I am requesting the following public records and information pursuant to the Freedom of Information Act:

BACKGROUND: On or about June 26, 2001, Andras Szekely (New Jersey) was allegedly visited by two FBI Special Agents from the FBI Newark Division: Agent Robin (Gritz) Laird and Agent Stengel. Szekely has provided me with copies of these agents’ business cards that they allegedly left with Szekely after their visit. Szekely alleges that he had obtained information in October 2000 related to a terrorist attack in NYC in which airplanes would be used. Szekely alleges that he asked the FBI for protection and legal assistance, prior to being visited by Gritz and Stengel, in exchange for his detailed information. Szekely has provided me with copies of two letters he had received from the FBI’s Arthur Radford Baker, Unit Chief, Office of Public and Congressional Affairs, dated March 28, 2001 and June 20, 2001. These letters basically indicate that the FBI would offer no protection to Szekely regardless of the information he had to offer.

INFORMATION REQUESTED:

1. Please provide any documents, reports, time sheets, schedulers / daily planners, telephone records, etc. that reflect that Agent Stengel and Agent Robin Gritz met with Andras Szekely on or about June 26, 2001.
2. Please provide documents and reports that the Agents might have filed after their meeting with Szekely to include the content of the meeting.
3. Please provide all files and documents related to Andras Szekely.

In response to this FOIA request, the FBI sent a letter dated December 27, 2006, which indicated that because I had requested documents on an individual, I needed to provide the FBI with either proof of death or a privacy waiver from the subject(s) of my request. Included with this letter from the FBI was a Privacy Waiver and Certification of Identity form.

I contacted Andras Szekely and asked him if he would be willing to sign the waiver. He said he would. I mailed him the form, a copy of my original FOIA, and the response letter from the FBI. He signed the waiver form and returned it to me. I mailed the waiver form to the FBI on January 1, 2007.

On February 7, 2007 I received a pathetic response to my FOIA from the FBI. Bear in mind what I requested in my FOIA.

* Documents, reports, time sheets, schedulers / daily planners, telephone records, etc. that reflect that Agent Stengel and Agent Robin Gritz met with Andras Szekely on or about June 26, 2001
* Documents and reports that the Agents might have filed after their meeting with Szekely to include the content of the meeting
* All files and documents related to Andras Szekely

The FBI responded:

This is in response to your Freedom of Information-Privacy Acts (FOIPA) request noted above.

To promptly respond to requests, we concentrate on identifying main files in the central records system at FBI Headquarters. No records responsive to your FOIPA request were located by a search of the automated and manual indices.

The Muckraker Report didn’t ask the FBI how it searches for files or where. In fact, I don’t give a damn that to promptly respond to requests, the FBI claims to concentrate on identifying main files in the central records system at FBI Headquarters. What is so infuriating about this lame response is the fact that the FBI admits to looking for the documents I requested – in places they could not be found! Why would the reports, time sheets, schedulers / daily planners, telephone records, etc. that reflect that Agent Stengel and Agent Robin Gritz met with Andras Szekely on or about June 26, 2001 be in the main files of the central records system? These types of documents would not be in the main files because the FBI refused to provide Szekely protection – therefore it missed or purposely missed an opportunity to gain actionable intelligence for the main files. No, the records I asked for would be found in other locations. Clearly, when Gritz and Stengel met with Szekely, their whereabouts were documented – just not in the main file. The FBI knows this – its just hiding relevant and important information from the American people to protect its masters and the ruling elite.

Furthermore, and smelling more like a cover-up, FBI Unit Chief of the Office of Public and Congressional Affairs, Arthur Radford Baker mailed letters to Szekely on March 28, 2001 and June 20, 2001 – letters in which the FBI now claims it can locate no record of ever writing. I did request all files and documents related to Andras Szekely. I expected the FBI would have at least produced its copy of the letters.

As with every worthless FOIA response I receive from the U.S. government, there is a provision for an appeal.

What follows is the content of my appeal dated February 18, 2007.

February 18, 2007

Dear Mr. David M. Hardy,

Please accept this administrative appeal of Request No.: 1069088-000.

In your response to my FOIA request you indicated that when your office responds to FOIA requests it “concentrates on identifying main files in the central records system at FBI Headquarters”. Accordingly, you indicated, “no records responsive to my FOIPA request were located.

The reason no records responsive to my request were found is because you looked where the records are not – thus ignoring my request. I have requested documents that would most likely be found in administrative / personnel files, or in the files / computers / cellular phone records / day planners / schedulers of two FBI agents – Agent Andrew H. Stengel and Agent Robyn L. Gritz.

I have enclosed the original FOIA, the privacy waiver signed by Andras Szekely, letters received by Szekely from the FBI, and the business cards of the two FBI agents, Stengel and Gritz, which Szekely says the FBI left with him after they met with him on or about June 26, 2001.

To suggest that the FBI has no record of any meeting with Andras Szekely given the correspondence and the business cards – cards that have corrected phone numbers on them and should be easily confirmed as Stengel’s and Gritz’s handwriting – is unreasonable and unlikely.

It is my belief that agent’s Stengel and Gritz did meet with Szekely on or about June 26, 2001 and in that meeting he informed the agents that he had information regarding a then “upcoming” terrorist attack in September 2001 involving airplanes and targets in New York City. I can understand how at that point the agent’s might not have taken Szekely seriously – however knowing what I now know about what information Szekely claimed to have at that time, it is in the public’s interest to understand this meeting and the content thereof.

Please accept this appeal and search for the documentation I have originally request in the locations in which it could be found.

On March 16, 2007 I received a response to my appeal from Priscilla Jones, Supervisory Administrative Specialist for the Office of Information and Privacy. Jones wrote:

Dear Mr. Haas:

This is to advise you that your administrative appeal from the action of the Federal Bureau of Investigation was received by this Office on March 2, 2007.

The Office of Information and Privacy, which has the responsibility of adjudicating such appeals, has a substantial backlog of pending appeals received prior to yours. In an attempt to afford each appellant equal and impartial treatment, we have adopted a general practice of assigning appeals in the approximate order of receipt. Your appeal has been assigned number 07-0824. Please mention this number in any future correspondence with this Office regarding this matter.

We will notify you of the decision on your appeal as soon as we can. We regret the necessity of this delay and appreciate your continued patience.

Let me tell you what Andras Szekely regrets. He regrets everyday that despite his best efforts, the FBI, for reasons that remain obscure, refused to listen to him. He regrets that the inconvenient information about 9/11 remains covered-up or dismissed as conspiratorial if it sees the light of day. He lives with the uncertainty of whether he could have done more to save nearly 3000 lives. I assure him every time we speak that he did his best – that he could not have done anything more because the U.S. government enabled, exploited, or created 9/11 – that prior knowledge within the U.S. government is as much of a fact as the towers no longer standing.

I asked Szekely why he is willing to go public now, beyond the fact that he wants the American people to know his story and of his efforts to warn the U.S. government about the attacks. He said, “I have nothing left to lose.”

None of us do Andras. None of us do.
http://911blogger.com/news/2007-04-...bi-looks-documents-where-they-cannot-be-found
 
I don't really understand, are you trying to get people to listen to you or what?
What dont you understand?
 
They're inconvenient. A written out transcript of the interview is a lot more useful, because you can easily jump to whichever section you want and jump around at your leisure. A video has to be watched from start to finish.
All data whether written, recorded, filmed or verbalized must be examined & corroborated thoroughly. Our country is being systematically invested by covert, hostile enemies who seek to strike us by surprise and we need the help of everyone loyal to the Bill of Rights.
 
Well now I don't understand if you can actually read.
Oh dear me. You must be out of laxatives.
 
are you trying to get people to listen to you or what?
Oh alright if you insist....it would be nice if people were to examine the data provided, yes.
 
With 'data' you mean 'people speaking in Hebrew'? You must be kidding, surely...
So? To name just a few, 911 is an inside job involving MI6, Mossad, CIA, FBI, FAA, Saudi & Pakistani espionage agencies. So-called, "Moslem hijackers" didnt happen. The jets that impacted the WTC were specialized military drones.

Russel L. Wittenberg: Credentials

Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC). Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions.

Russ Wittenberg has numerous FAA certificates ranging from Airline Pilot and Flight Engineer to Ground Instructor and Aircraft Dispatcher. He is certified to fly an incredible range of aircraft including Boeing 707s, 727s, 747s, 757s, 767s and 777s. The supposed aircraft used on 9/11 were Boeing 757s and 767s.

Certificate: AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT Rating(s): • AIRLINE TRANSPORT PILOT AIRPLANE MULTIENGINE LAND COMMERCIAL PRIVILEGES • AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE LAND • AIRPLANE SINGLE ENGINE SEA • GLIDER

Type Ratings (Note: these are aircraft types)

A/B-707 A/B-720 A/B-727 A/B-737 A/B-747 A/B-757 A/B-767 A/B-777 A/DC-8 A/L-1049 A/LR-JET DOI : 07/25/1995

Certificate: FLIGHT ENGINEER Rating: FLIGHT ENGINEER TURBOJET POWERED DOI : 11/02/1978

Certificate: GROUND INSTRUCTOR Rating(s): • GROUND INSTRUCTOR ADVANCED • INSTRUMENT DOI : 11/02/1978

Certificate: AIRCRAFT DISPATCHER DOI : 11/02/1978

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United States Federal Aviation Administration Registry Civil Aviation Registry AFS-700 PO BOX 25082 Oklahoma City, OK 73125

"I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for, like I said, for a terrorist, a so-called terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding -- pulling G's. And the aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it."

alleged flight 77 Article 7/17/05

"The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple." … Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have "descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 280 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall without touching the lawn."…

"For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible - there is not one chance in a thousand," said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727's to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737's through 767's it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying."


Audio Interview, Capt.Russ Wittenberg, 9/16/04

http://911underground.com/WING_TV_2004-09-16_Russ_Wittenberg_Interview.MP3


Pilots Discuss Difficulty of WTC Attacks

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bm58cPH8L78

Captain Dan Govatos, Credentials:

-- FAA Designated Examiner/Airline Check Airman

With over 25 years working in the Aviation Industry, I have had the honor of working with some of the most influential and gifted management in the world.

Specialties:Charter Broker, Charter Sales, Business Jet Management, Aviation Management, Aircraft Sales, Airline Operations Consultant, Airline Start up Consultant, Flight Crew Training, Check Pilot, Aviation Expert Witness, B737 Simulator Instructor, B737 Check Airman (All Checks), Union negotiation, Six Sigma

Education Spartan College of Aeronautics and Technology Bachelor of Applied Science (BASc), Aviation/Airway Management and Operations

Honors & Awards NBAA July 2013 10,000 Pilot Safety Award. Over 10,000 hours of safe flying.

They were trying to hit the WTC in the UA sim the very next day.. on Sept 12, 2001, so while they were aware the plane was travelling at high speed, obviously he would not know what the actual recorded speeds were yet.

They were flying the simulator for a Boeing 737, a smaller and much more maneuverable aircraft, within the Vmo limit, or under 360 knots - he mentions the figure of 300 knots, which is considered at that altitude to be very fast, particularly as it relates to controlled flight and maneuvering/piloting in near sea level air density. As for the forces involved, which include both aerodynamic pressures due to airspeed and g-forces due to maneuvering, Dan mentions in the interview that they were "fighting the crash logic" when making the attempt at the "higher speeds" because it simulates the forces involved, and very accurately in fact.

In other words, he and his pilots were trying to hit the WTC South Tower at Vmo or perhaps a bit above.. or 300-400 knots, max, and from what he said, closer to 300 and well within with the Vmo limit (360 knots)

They couldn't go faster than that, past Vd (420), because the sim will then freeze and the screen will turn red due to the crash logic, which would require re-setting the simulator.

Again, as far as controlled flight and maneuvering, and piloting goes, they were flying a 737, a smaller and much more maneuverable aircraft, at around Vmo (and less) and were unable to hit the target (south tower) unless and until they reduced the airspeed to near approach level speeds, which for a Boeing 767-200ER is around 142 knots and for a Boeing 737, around 130 knots.

These were very experienced pilots with 1000's of hours of flight time in other aircraft types.

After they tried it about 10 times, Dan himself was finally able to do it (fly the dive and final approach at the high speed of 300 knots and hit the target WTC South Tower), although he didn't say how many times he tried it before finally getting it just right with wing tips within the building perimeter (think of it like parking in or going through a separate garage in your car at full speed out of a turn, but harder, because you're flying and susceptible to "dutch roll" and all kinds of other phenomenon).
 
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