Aaron russo on the 9-11 inside job

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So you reject the man without knowing what he had to say? You could take your time since theres no reason to hurry.
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As I said in your rule change thread most people will not watch a video especially if it is from a person with no reputation. Two hours is also an excessive length for a video especially when you have not given any reason to watch it. Most people will only watch a few minutes of video, there was a thread about this recently. You should also note that as well as people not wanting to give up their time not everybody has unlimited downloads.

Aaron Russo died in 2007 so unless this video has been locked up for nearly ten years it has been seen before. So why have you not linked any supporting more recent newspaper etc articles with posted extracts that support this old video.
 
Like avatar said, the ruling class doesn't need to conspire because they all think alike ;)
 
Yeah, he does exist, but there's very little information out there other than that he is a businessman whose work is mostly in China. All the powerful groups he's apparently a member of would suggest that he is a 'real' Rockefeller, but probably a fairly distantly related one given the lack of information on Google about him.

What does that even mean to be "fairly distantly related?" John D. was four generations ago for a man of Nicholas's age. Everyone who had John D. as a great-grandfather is the same level of relation.
 
9/11 was a cover-up; the Twin Towers never actually fell.

Wake up, sheeple!
 
Im convinced Russo was a moron and that Hawaii was behind 9/11. I have read reports that hijackers were heard screaming: "Aloha Snack bar" right before the planes flew into the WTC. Experts are not quite sure what that means, but it does appear to be Hawaiian in origin.
 
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I originally did watch some truther vids right after 9/11 happened. But the more I read of it vs. counterarguments the more I began to suspect some people just want to believe everything is rigged/a conspiracy. I think it ironically gives some people a sense of comfort to believe a handful of individuals control everything, including the weather. That way, if they were stopped or replaced with benevolent people the world could be eternally safe.

What really hammered the nail in the coffin was listening to a debate on public radio about 9/11. The one arguing the case for conspiracy got more & more fanciful each question asked whereas the one debunking all the theories made more & more sense.

The masses have very limited understanding & concern, there's no need to run elaborate conspiracies to fool them, they already want to be dumbed down & comforted.
 
One of my close family members was a 9/11 Truther. Narz's estimation that some people have instinctive knee-jerk reactions that assume the fix is in from the start largely jives with my experience.

The problem is that when people go bananas for stuff that is not a conspiracy, it becomes harder to detect real conspiracies because people dismiss the critically-minded person who looks for a conspiracy. The P2 conspiracy was as ridiculous as some of the nonsense truthers spout, but P2 actually happened.
 
The only part of 9/11 that is in any way a conspiracy that's actually plausible to me, the only thing that's at least possible, out of all of the crazy theories suggested, is Bush & Co. finding out via some vague intelligence report that an attack was coming shortly before it happened, whether he found out a couple hours beforehand or a couple days.

This has happened in the past, I think even in America (although I'm not 100% sure, can't remember the exact examples) - Politicians allowing an enemy to strike so that they can rally the country behind them and pass some laws that they want to pass. In this case there could be even reasonable deniability on the part of Bush - intelligence is not always foolproof. You don't act on every single piece of intelligence for this reason.

I really don't see a way for anyone to be able to orchestrate such an elaborate attack from Washington, without anyone finding out about it. What's far more likely is something like this:

Some advisor to Bush: "New York is potentially going to be attacked by Islamic extremists in some capacity in 2 weeks or so, there's all sorts of chatter we've been picking up that hints at it"

Bush: "How dangerous is this?"

{X}: "Seems to just be a moderate attack, maybe a small bomb or a plane being hijacked or something like that, we're not sure, but there's at least 10-20 people involved"

Bush: "Alright, keep a tight lid on this, we don't want to alarm anyone for no reason, you know how bad intelligence can be" and later to his inner circle: "If this happens let's try to pass that Patriot act thing, if not, we'll come up with a plan B. And make sure our jets aren't ready to respond at all, and do it passively so you have plausible deniability."

Out of all the conspiracies ever suggested, this one seems the most plausible to me. And I mean, I don't even think that's what happened, but it just seems like it at least could have.
 
I originally did watch some truther vids right after 9/11 happened. But the more I read of it vs. counterarguments the more I began to suspect some people just want to believe everything is rigged/a conspiracy. I think it ironically gives some people a sense of comfort to believe a handful of individuals control everything, including the weather. That way, if they were stopped or replaced with benevolent people the world could be eternally safe.

What really hammered the nail in the coffin was listening to a debate on public radio about 9/11. The one arguing the case for conspiracy got more & more fanciful each question asked whereas the one debunking all the theories made more & more sense.

The masses have very limited understanding & concern, there's no need to run elaborate conspiracies to fool them, they already want to be dumbed down & comforted.

If you want a good video that explains why people do this kind of thing, I would recommend this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_6-iVz1R0o

Michael Shermer explains what kind of mistakes people make that leads them to believe in conspiracy theories, and he also touches on 9/11 a bit.
 
This has happened in the past, I think even in America (although I'm not 100% sure, can't remember the exact examples) - Politicians allowing an enemy to strike so that they can rally the country behind them and pass some laws that they want to pass. In this case there could be even reasonable deniability on the part of Bush - intelligence is not always foolproof. You don't act on every single piece of intelligence for this reason.

You're probably thinking specifically of the theory that FDR had advanced knowledge of Pearl Harbor and yet permitted it to happen to serve as a catalyst to drive the US into the war. Which is distinctly more likely than any 9/11 conspiracy considering we know for a fact that at least some elements of American intelligence had foreknowledge that a Japanese action against Pearl Harbor was imminent. And that if not FDR himself, at least members of his cabinet were informed of this fact.

There's also accounts (stories?) of Churchill deciding not to warn British towns targeted for bombing because he didn't want to let on to the Nazis that they had cracked Enigma, but that is a bit of a different case.
 
Yeah, I think I might have been thinking of Pearl Harbour.

I think this strategy has a name, but I can't think of it. I was pretty sure there were many more examples of it, but they aren't coming to me atm. (not all American examples mind you)
 
I think this strategy has a name, but I can't think of it. I was pretty sure there were many more examples of it, but they aren't coming to me atm. (not all American examples mind you)

False flag.

There are a handful of real and confirmed cases through out history but the vast majority of false flag claims are nutty conspiracy theories. Pearl Harbor conspiracies are just as unfounded and unsubstantiated as 9/11 conspiracies.
 
False flag.

There are a handful of real and confirmed cases through out history but the vast majority of false flag claims are nutty conspiracy theories. Pearl Harbor conspiracies are just as unfounded and unsubstantiated as 9/11 conspiracies.

Nahhh. "False Flag" is when you do the deed yourself, disguised as an alternate in order to cast blame. Even the nuttiest Pearl Harbor and 9/11 theorists don't get any traction with that. The "turn a blind eye and let it happen" scheme isn't false flag, but I can't think what the clever term for it is.
 
Nahhh. "False Flag" is when you do the deed yourself, disguised as an alternate in order to cast blame. Even the nuttiest Pearl Harbor and 9/11 theorists don't get any traction with that. The "turn a blind eye and let it happen" scheme isn't false flag, but I can't think what the clever term for it is.

I stand corrected. I also can't think of what that would be called. The reverse would be preemption, so aemption?
 
I stand corrected. I also can't think of what that would be called. The reverse would be preemption, so aemption?

In chess it would be a gambit. Letting the opposition gain material that ultimately puts them in a weaker position.
 
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