There's a moderator over at TrekBBS who still - after 15 years - hasn't forgiven me for publicly stating my intense dislike for the nuTrek movies.
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This is why the more I internet, the less social I am on it. Too many people taking far too much too seriously.
warpus
In pork I trust
Maybe they have a social media problem and half of Romulus didn't believe that there was a need to evacuate and blamed it on fake news.
Ordnael
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Didn't the Klingon went through a cataclysm themselves before bowing down to federation alliance!?
What I find idiotic about the first nu ST movie is that the villain is just a miner.
What I find idiotic about the first nu ST movie is that the villain is just a miner.
The RSE is an authoritarian empire, so I doubt personal choice entered much into it... ;-)
The Praxis incident, sort of. A moon blew up and was going to disrupt the normal operations of the Empire, so it made a formal peace treaty called the Khitomer Accords. It wasn't an alliance, per se, but by TNG times the Empire and the Feds were definitely on friendlier terms, at least until the Klingon-Cardassian war and Gowron revoked the Accords.
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Seems suspiciously similar to the Chernobyl Meltdown, internal crumbling of the Soviet Union, and Gorbachev's detente with the Elder Bush, and the attempted coup against Gorbachev to stop it, going on at around the time Star Trek VI came out, eh?
Seems suspiciously similar to the Chernobyl Meltdown, internal crumbling of the Soviet Union, and Gorbachev's detente with the Elder Bush, and the attempted coup against Gorbachev to stop it, going on at around the time Star Trek VI came out, eh?
Definitely not an accident as far as the meltdown undermining any residual faith in the old order! Una McCormack played with USSR analogies in one of her novels, ST Brinksmanship. It's basically the Cuban missile crisis in space.
Someone raised a good point on FB yesterday. With all this going on, why didn't the Organians step in? What happened to them?
I realize the movie and TNG writers either forgot about them or decided to ignore them and hope nobody in the audience would remember either, but what would be a plausible in-universe explanation?
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Wasn't the Organian Treaty Zone time limited, like for 50 years, or some such? I seem to recall such a detail, but I could be wrong.
And condolences on your stalwart feline companion. We had four (only two at any one time) when I was growing up, and one of them lost a game of chicken with a speeding car on a heavy traffic street (and yes, we let them, "roam," many did where I lived), and I got the call from the city pound - at age 15 or so - when no one else was home, and I had to inform everyone else of the tragedy.
I don't remember that. I guess it's time to check Memory Alpha. It's been years since I've seen any episodes (gave up CTV Sci fi).
Thank you. It's been hard being without Maddy. There are still people who come here, for appointments or deliveries, who ask about her when they don't see her (she'd usually check to see who was at the door).
It's hard to lose them, no matter what the cause.
I'd forgotten about the Organians.
My condolences as well, it's the worst.. still not over losing my (feline) old boy a few years back. Got a couple of rescue girls these days but still miss him.
My condolences as well, it's the worst.. still not over losing my (feline) old boy a few years back. Got a couple of rescue girls these days but still miss him.
Thank you.
I was just talking to someone today about Maddy. On a rare Saturday when someone was in the office when I was waiting for my ride, it turned out to be one of the managers from another building who subs when our own manager is off. She asked about Maddy, how was she, and I had to tell her that Maddy died in August.
Grief has no set timetable. You will always remember your pets, no matter how many years ago, and will likely feel grief for them from time to time.
Ordnael
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I've been having this thought since rewatching:
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It's easy to forget (at least I did in between watching of this episode twice) that the Klingon highest religious authorities just cloned their version of a deity, and that since this event the clone shares in power with the chancellor Gowron.
Rightful Heir (episode)
At the Klingon monastery on Boreth, Worf sees a very real vision of Kahless the Unforgettable. The USS Enterprise-D is on its way to the Gariman sector, and undergoes a shift change in the morning. Data had command of the bridge overnight and hands it over to Commander Riker. He reports that the...
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Miniskirt
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Erased so much I/we all knew, bastard, jerk. That and Star Wars-izing Star Trek. He literally remade S.T. for new fans said so, screw the old fans.
warpus
In pork I trust
I just watched the Section 31 movie
My expectations weren't very high tbf, but it ended up being my least favourite Star Trek movie ever.
1. I don't care about any of the characters
2. The dialogue tries too hard to be edgy
3. The story kept me bored
4. I don't like that this is what they ended up doing with section 31, it's just 5 goofy stereotypical cutouts saying one liners and trying to act tough for 90 minutes.
If this was like.. a 45 minute long "What if" series they did, and this was one of the episodes.. I'd probably be more accepting of it then? But as a "Here's a Trek movie coming up, yeah sure it's streaming only, but a Trek MOVIE, get ready" sort of event, it fell flat big time for me.
Maybe I'm out of touch with the rest of Trek fandom, but I'm not sure who was asking for this movie.
Having said THAT, I do appreciate a movie that's.. different. There's no Enterprise crew of familiar faces. I think they need to do more of that. Don't get me wrong, I love that dynamic.. But there's so many episodes of that sort of thing in existence and more being made with SNW. Mixing it up a bit and giving us a bit more diversity in terms of the type of storytelling, I'm all up for that. This was a bit of a dud in terms of a trial run of that sort of thing.. but.. I know they can do better.
Just don't try to make it feel like you're basically making a guardians of the galaxy movie. This movie was nudging in that direction and not really succeeding. Do it well or don't do it at all.. Or better yet don't even try. Not every sci-fi movie needs to feel like a Marvel movie
My expectations weren't very high tbf, but it ended up being my least favourite Star Trek movie ever.
1. I don't care about any of the characters
2. The dialogue tries too hard to be edgy
3. The story kept me bored
4. I don't like that this is what they ended up doing with section 31, it's just 5 goofy stereotypical cutouts saying one liners and trying to act tough for 90 minutes.
If this was like.. a 45 minute long "What if" series they did, and this was one of the episodes.. I'd probably be more accepting of it then? But as a "Here's a Trek movie coming up, yeah sure it's streaming only, but a Trek MOVIE, get ready" sort of event, it fell flat big time for me.
Maybe I'm out of touch with the rest of Trek fandom, but I'm not sure who was asking for this movie.
Having said THAT, I do appreciate a movie that's.. different. There's no Enterprise crew of familiar faces. I think they need to do more of that. Don't get me wrong, I love that dynamic.. But there's so many episodes of that sort of thing in existence and more being made with SNW. Mixing it up a bit and giving us a bit more diversity in terms of the type of storytelling, I'm all up for that. This was a bit of a dud in terms of a trial run of that sort of thing.. but.. I know they can do better.
Just don't try to make it feel like you're basically making a guardians of the galaxy movie. This movie was nudging in that direction and not really succeeding. Do it well or don't do it at all.. Or better yet don't even try. Not every sci-fi movie needs to feel like a Marvel movie
Ordnael
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Do you need to watch a particular show to understand the movie? Does it take place in the same universe as Discovery?
