Altered Maps ΙΓ: To make a map larger than what it maps.

[madviking]

 

[cybrxkhan]

^ after all these years I'm still a bit surprised that there's quite a number of tornados on the east coast. Back when I was still in Maryland there was a huge storm one time, and I remember seeing on the news that a few tornados had touch downed a couple of hours from where I lived, in an area not too different climatically from mine, and I was thinking to myself "WTH I don't live in Kansas or whatever"

 

[cybrxkhan]

 

[gangleri2001]

States of the Union that allow cousin marriage:11 out of 21
States of the Confederacy that allow cousin marriage: 7 out of 11

 

[Civ'ed]

States of the Union that allow cousin marriage:11 out of 21
States of the Confederacy that allow cousin marriage: 7 out of 11

So about 63.6% of Confederate states allow cousin marriage, while about 52.4% of Union states allow it...

 

[cybrxkhan]

From what I can see based on the map there doesn't seem to be any clear pattern with regards to cousin marriage in the US, which I find rather interesting - I see Union states, Confederacy states, conservative states, liberal states. I've read that the states that prohibit cousin marriage mainly did so in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, when the negative effects of inbreeding were believed to be much worse than they actually are.

It does appear that a number of the very populous states allow it, such as California, NY, Florida, etc.

Edit: Here's a comparison with laws across the world on cousin marriage; blue means allowed, red means prohibited:

And, once more, though I've known this for almost a decade, I still find it curious that America is one of the few places in the developed world where cousin marriage is illegal (albeit in some parts of the US)

 

[Kyriakos]

^While first cousin (later degrees don't matter) marriage is likely not subject to laws here either, it does carry a stigma, due to the genetic material pool and popular views about possibly detrimental effects to children in such a relationship.

 

[Civ'ed]

What's India's stance?

 

[cybrxkhan]

^While first cousin (later degrees don't matter) marriage is likely not subject to laws here either, it does carry a stigma, due to the genetic material pool and popular views about possibly detrimental effects to children in such a relationship.

Definitely true, but in America the stigma is much more regardless; I mean there will be people in the states here who would freak out if you were dating your, say, fifth cousin.

What's India's stance?

I'm guessing it varies depending on location/state/religion/something.

 

[Phrossack]

No offense, cybrxkhan, but with all your interest in this topic lately you're starting to remind me of George-Michael Bluth.

 

[Borachio]

I mean there will be people in the states here who would freak out if you were dating your, say, fifth cousin.

Fifth cousins are pretty remote. Are there really people who keep such tight track on their ancestors in the US?

That means you share a great-great-great-great grandparent. I only know of my four grandparents and two of my great grandparents. And I don't think I'm unique.

 

[cybrxkhan]

No offense, cybrxkhan, but with all your interest in this topic lately you're starting to remind me of George-Michael Bluth.

I find consanguineous relationships (which apparently is the more neutral term for consensual incest/incestuous marriage, since incest has some negative connotations) very interesting, and the incest taboo in general as well. When I was younger I found it quite fascinating (modern-day) Americans would have such a knee-jerk reaction to cousin marriages, and in trying to understand why it helped sow my interest in anthropology, which in turned helped lead me to other intellectual thingymajigs I'm quite glad for.

That said, I'm not really attracted to any of my first cousins, though I do find a couple of my second cousins kind of cute.

So, really, no offense taken. I find incest a very interesting topic.

Fifth cousins are pretty remote. Are there really people who keep such tight track on their ancestors in the US?

That means you share a great-great-great-great grandparent.

Well, I was thinking of a few situations I've come across where people get grossed out if they come across like a fifth cousin or something, which I find hilarious.

 

[Arakhor]

The Ptolemies were the Habsburgs of the ancient world, and the latter half of their monarchs were probably more inbred than the hapless Carlos II.

 

[cybrxkhan]

The Ptolemies were the Habsburgs of the ancient world, and the latter half of their monarchs were probably more inbred than the hapless Carlos II.

Egypt in general is a very interesting case when it comes to the incest taboo. Roman-era Egypt is arguably the only large-scale society where full-blood sibling marriage was not only allowed (including the commoners - a very important point, to contrast with societies where sibling marriage was only allowed among the nobility or royalty), but seemed to be very common, with at least 1/4 or so of known marriages in roman census records being of the sibling variety. And this continued on for several centuries. Actually it may have been prevalent before the roman era as well, but there's no way of knowing as there are no reliable census records or any equivalent.

But anyhow I'm blabbing myself senseless here, there's a crap ton of scholarly articles available that discuss and debate the topic to death.

 

[SeekTruthFromFacts]

Indian family law is different for different communities (defined by religious heritage). Actually this is true to a certain extent in any Common Law country. If Muslims want to apply sharia law amongst themselves, for example, then the Common Law will generally accept that unless overridden by statute (typically more of a factor in countries with a written constitution).

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[Tee Kay]

I find incest a very interesting topic.

Sigged.

 

[cybrxkhan]

Indian family law is different for different communities (defined by religious heritage). Actually this is true to a certain extent in any Common Law country. If Muslims want to apply sharia law amongst themselves, for example, then the Common Law will generally accept that unless overridden by statute (typically more of a factor in countries with a written constitution).

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That does make sense.

Sigged.

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[Takhisis]

Gee, I wonder why Turkey lost so much coastline.

greeks

It was considered to be a great idea at the time.

Ok. But in such case Portugal beats all Dutch colonies with just Brazil alone:
<snipped map>

Well, yes. But then, Portugal was a colony of Brazil…

Whereas the resident Britons haven't mentioned their empire's greatest extent, because that would be boring.

And not at all the "done" thing, as you well know, old bean.

It reminds me of Hope and Glory… Pink! Pink! Pink!

That looks more like Chile to the eleventh.

Oh, no, don't say that. I should do a map of Greater Argentina while we're at this.

 

[cybrxkhan]

And now a little break from my incestuous maps:

 

[Dumanios]

I will thus say that Ohio is the greatest state.