Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Hmm, interesting...what's the level of technology in the West, compared to OTL? Is gunpowder in wide use yet?
Norman Lusitania looks promising.
Norman Lusitania looks promising.
Alternate History Thread II...
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I think I want the Frankreich or Viking Britain.
MjM
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http://forums.civfanatics.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=109128&stc=1&d=1135764128
Because im too lazy to find the other...
Im eying the Chimus, they look splendid...
Because im too lazy to find the other...
Im eying the Chimus, they look splendid...
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Who's gonna take the Imperivm?
MjM
Deity
On second thought, I want a big power. I'd like the Byzantine Empire
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
Hmm, if you do take the Byzantines, make sure you have gun-toting cataphracts.
Cataphractoi Janissarivm?
Cataphractoi Janissarivm?
das
Regeneration In Process
AARGH. Just lost the Eurostats I've been writing up... I think I'll just do the stats now and THEN do the nation descriptions, they take most of the time anyway. I'll only finish it tommorow, I'm afraid (and I will - I swear!)... feel free to ask questions while you wait.
EDIT: Descriptions done.
Viking Britain
Capital: Yorvick
Ruler: ?
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Centralization: Unitary with Exceptions
Religion: Hibernian Church
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 20 thousands (Very Good)
Navy (Training): 50 ships (Very Good)
Economy: Very Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Better
Infrastructure: Very Efficient
Education: Perfect
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Nation Background: One of the first target of the Vikings when their Age begun, England was first permanently conquered by Sweyn I of Denmark. It was up to his son Canute I, however, to solidify the Viking gains and to add Norway, Scotland, Wales and Ireland to this realm. From then on, the Viking British have expanded in all directions. Towards 13th century, when after a succesful civil war Canute III claimed the title of Emperor and destroyed the power of the jarls, they controlled lands from Prussia and Sweden through Brittany in Gaul and to Old Vinland. However, in the 14th century, all things went wrong: the Vinlander Wars gained the British little ground in exchange for lots of money and men; as the Frankreich formed, the British were forced out of Brittany by Dagobert the Great; and in the Swedish War, Novgorodian Rus used the feudal dissent among the Swedes to conquer that land, and also the Danish province of Skane; whereas, with some Novgorodian help, the Prussians attained independence. But the British still remain a force to be reckoned with, especially as an energetic new dynasty came to power and rebuilt the fleet...
Frankreich
Capital: Verden
Ruler: ?
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Centralization: Unitary
Religion: Hibernian Church (small Orthodox minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 40 thousands (Professional)
Navy (Training): 10 ships (Better)
Economy: Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Better
Infrastructure: Efficient
Education: Well Educated
Culture: Hyperpatriotic
Confidence: Admiring
Projects:
Nation Background: The first true Frankish Reich was founded by Charlemagne, in the 8th century AD. After Charlemagne failed to subdue the Saxons, he firmly turned south in his expansion, conquering Aquitaine, Iberia and Italy and entering a war with the Byzantines. After some early victories that took him all the way to his grave at Carthage, the Franks, under Charlemagne's incompetent successors, were systimatically crushed by the Byzantines, and eventually, the entirety of Frankia was conquered. Yet the people didn't submit; and eventually, in the 12th century, the Byzantines withdrew from northern Gaul to face other threats. After a brief fragmented period, the Frankish states were united by Karlomann II in 1179, but his disastrous campaigns in southern Gaul and Bavaria delayed the rise of a new Frankish Reich. After his death, the feudals soon grabbed all the power in the country, reducing the king to puppet status and squabbling amongst each other. This allowed most of Frankia's neighbours to encroach on its territory, most notably the British who secured Brittany and ventured even further into Neustria. But in the end, after over a hundred years of civil wars, in 1314 Dagobert IV the Great, a minor noble, founded the Dagobertian Dynasty, declared himself Kaiser and crushed the king, the feudal lords and the foreigners. He and his successors also conquered Bavaria and Byzantine Provence, and now stand poised to rebuild Charlemagne's ancient empire.
Aquitaine
Capital: Toulouse
Ruler: ?
Government: Feudal Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Orthodox Church (medium Hibernian minority, tiny Judaistic minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 5 thousands (Better)
Navy (Training): 10 ships (Normal)
Economy: Growing (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Tolerable/Competent
Infrastructure: Efficient
Education: Academic
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Loving
Projects:
Nation Background: Aquitaine was always the least Germanized part of Gaul; it was there that the Orthodox church and the Romance culture catched on the most, and it prospered during the Byzantine reign. Unlike other provinces, it separated from the Byzantine Empire peacefully and remained a loyal Byzantine ally, enjoying protection from the Franks. A recent cultural renaissance turned Aquitaine into one of Europe's primary culture centers, and the crafts - especially the winemaking - are flourishing as well. But the country is weak, the Byzantines are now more interested in the Middle East and the Franks are brooding to the north...
Norman Lusitania
Capital: Olisipo
Ruler: ?
Government: Feudal Monarchy
Centralization: Loose Confederation
Religion: Hibernian Church (large Orthodox majority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 15 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): 30 ships (Better)
Economy: Good Enough (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Tolerable/Barely Tolerable
Infrastructure: Good
Education: Literate
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Barely Tolerating
Projects:
Nation Background: After the final end of the Carolingian Wars in late 9th century, Byzantine Iberia went into a temporary calm. Not much happened at all, and the local garrisons let their guard down. This allowed the Vikings to conquer the westernmost regions of Iberia - namely, Lusitania - in the early 11th century, turning Iberia into a battleground once more. In the end, despite some victories, the Byzantines had to withdraw from the Iberian peninsula - the 13th century demanded that the Byzantines give battle to the Mongol invaders. Powerful Norman lords of Lusitania quickly took over the land, terrorizing the people into submission, and since then fought wars with all their neighbours and raided them ruthlessly. They also fought back a Byzantine counter-invasion and conquered Mauritania. During the late 14th century, Lusitania was in stagnation, especially as the gap between the people and the Norman lords grew, but with the recent conquest of the Carribean Sea, Lusitania seems to have gained a new outlet for Norman energy and bloodlust.
Saxony
Capital: Hamburg
Ruler: ?
Government: Feudal Monarchy (Clanship)
Centralization: Confederation
Religion: Hibernian Church (tiny Pagan minority)
Tech. Level: Middle Middle Ages
Army (Training): 5 thousands (Normal), 20 levy thousands (Better)
Navy (Training): 5 ships (Good)
Economy: Good Enough (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Competent/Incompetent
Infrastructure: Barely Tolerable
Education: Tolerable
Culture: Hyperpatriotic
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Nation Background: The brave Saxon thegns and eoldermen bow down before no man - whether he is a Saxon king or a foreign conqueror. Though this allowed them to fight off both Charlemagne and Romanus IV, this also prevented anything getting done in Saxony itself, as in the absence of foreign threats the Saxons fought each other just as fiercely. At odds with most of their neighbours, Saxony still is its own worst enemy.
Prussia
Capital: Truso
Ruler: ?
Government: Feudal Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Hibernian Church
Tech. Level: Middle Middle Ages
Army (Training): 10 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): None yet
Economy: Normal (+1)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Better
Infrastructure: Good
Education: Literate
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Admiring
Projects:
Nation Background: The Prussians were the only Baltic tribe that wasn't conquered by the Novgorodians. The only thing that saved them from that fate was British intervention and protection. But gradually, towards the 14th century, British rule grew more and more opressive, while the Novgorodians grew stronger and stronger; eventually, as the Swedish War begun, the Prussians rebelled with Novgorodian assistane and gained independence. Though good fighters, the Prussians realize that the only reason for their continued survival is their status of a buffer state between Novgorod and Britain - and if the need for such a state disappears, then...
Greater Moravia
Capital: Nitra
Ruler: ?
Government: Feudal Monarchy
Centralization: Loose Federation
Religion: Orthodox Church (tiny Judaistic minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 15 thousands (Better)
Navy (Training): 5 ships (Good)
Economy: Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Competent
Infrastructure: Good
Education: Well Educated
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Tolerating
Projects:
Nation Background: United by Prince Mojmir in the 9th century, the Orthodox Slavic Moravians immediately proved to be very good allies for the Byzantine Empire. Being Carolingian vassals, they gladly seized upon the opportunity to free themselves from the Franks, and rebelled in the middle of the Carolingian War, attaining independence and expanding greatly. Moravia remained a good Byzantine ally, and eventually unified all the Western Slavs. Since then, the Moravians mostly squabbled amongst each other or with their various northern neighbours, but now, they must face the Khazarian menace to their east...
Byzantine Empire
Capital: Constantinople
Ruler: ?
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Centralization: Unitary with Exceptions
Religion: Orthodox Church (tiny Judaistic minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 35 thousands (Professional)
Navy (Training): 40 ships (Very Good)
Economy: Richer (+4)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Good
Infrastructure: Very Efficient
Education: Academic
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Admiring
Projects:
Nation Background: Beginning with the reign of Justinian, the Byzantines rapidly restored the Roman Empire. The Carolingian War of 799-874 saw most all of the old empire's territory restored, but after that high point, things worsened - the Saxons fought off a Byzantine invasion, and the Franks kept rebelling until the Byzantines abandoned northern Gaul. Still, even with the Norman conquest of Lusitania, the Mediterranean was a Byzantine lake, and the Byzantines succesfully defended it all the way until the 13th century when hordes of savage Mongols overran Persia and attacked the Byzantines themselves. Though the Mongols were defeated in an epic battle at Edessa, the Byzantines lost most of their West European holdings due to this distraction. After the failure of new reconquest campaigns, the new generation of Byzantine rulers switched the vector of expansion eastwards, where Mesopotamia and Greater Axum were conquered and trade routes to Yuan China were established.
Novgorodian Rus
Capital: Novgorod
Ruler: ?
Government: Mercantile Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Hibernian Church
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 25 thousands (Very Good)
Navy (Training): 20 ships (Good)
Economy: Very Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Better/Good
Infrastructure: Efficient
Education: Perfect
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Nation Background: Founded by Rurik I, Novgorod had a tumultous early history. The wars with Khazaria were ultimately unsuccesful, as the Kagan retained his Slavic lands, but Novgorod still did become a great trade center, having gained access to the Dnieper River and trade priveleges in Khazar lands. The knyaz - the Prince of Novgorod - lost much power after 1024, when the new Westernized mercantile elite took power, creating a mercantile republic; it, however, was not particularily peaceful, conquering Finland and most of the Balts. Finally, in 1341, knyaz (by then, the title was mostly that of military and ceremonial importance) Tverdoslav overthrew the mercantile republic, though eventually allowing the old elite to retain some power and influence. He and his successors built up the Novgorodian army, leading it to conquer British Sweden. Since then, Novgorod didn't fight in many serious wars, but with the growing Khazar hostility that seems to be quite unavoidable.
Khazarian Kaganate
Capital: Itil
Ruler: ?
Government: Divine Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Judaism (tiny Hibernian minority, tiny Pagan minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 60 thousands (Better)
Navy (Training): 10 ships (Good)
Economy: Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Better/Better
Infrastructure: Good
Education: Well Educated
Culture: Jingoist
Confidence: Nation Personified
Projects:
Nation Background: Khazaria is an unique nation, the only Judaistic empire in the world. A traditional Byzantine ally, it helped Constantinople in its struggles with the Persians and then the Mongols (who invaded Khazaria itself along the way, only barely defeated at Itil) as well, while itself fighting the Novgorodians and Slavic rebels in their own lands. However, in recent days, a wave of Judaistic fanaticism spread over the Kaganate, and the fundamentalist court faction effectively took control. Without any serious common enemies left to unite the Khazars and the Byzantines, the old history was forgotten in favour of current squabbles over the Caucasus and Crimea, whereas another Byzantine ally, Moravia, has been caught supporting Derevlian rebels in Khazarian west. War is drawing near...
EDIT: Descriptions done.
Viking Britain
Capital: Yorvick
Ruler: ?
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Centralization: Unitary with Exceptions
Religion: Hibernian Church
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 20 thousands (Very Good)
Navy (Training): 50 ships (Very Good)
Economy: Very Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Better
Infrastructure: Very Efficient
Education: Perfect
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Nation Background: One of the first target of the Vikings when their Age begun, England was first permanently conquered by Sweyn I of Denmark. It was up to his son Canute I, however, to solidify the Viking gains and to add Norway, Scotland, Wales and Ireland to this realm. From then on, the Viking British have expanded in all directions. Towards 13th century, when after a succesful civil war Canute III claimed the title of Emperor and destroyed the power of the jarls, they controlled lands from Prussia and Sweden through Brittany in Gaul and to Old Vinland. However, in the 14th century, all things went wrong: the Vinlander Wars gained the British little ground in exchange for lots of money and men; as the Frankreich formed, the British were forced out of Brittany by Dagobert the Great; and in the Swedish War, Novgorodian Rus used the feudal dissent among the Swedes to conquer that land, and also the Danish province of Skane; whereas, with some Novgorodian help, the Prussians attained independence. But the British still remain a force to be reckoned with, especially as an energetic new dynasty came to power and rebuilt the fleet...
Frankreich
Capital: Verden
Ruler: ?
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Centralization: Unitary
Religion: Hibernian Church (small Orthodox minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 40 thousands (Professional)
Navy (Training): 10 ships (Better)
Economy: Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Better
Infrastructure: Efficient
Education: Well Educated
Culture: Hyperpatriotic
Confidence: Admiring
Projects:
Nation Background: The first true Frankish Reich was founded by Charlemagne, in the 8th century AD. After Charlemagne failed to subdue the Saxons, he firmly turned south in his expansion, conquering Aquitaine, Iberia and Italy and entering a war with the Byzantines. After some early victories that took him all the way to his grave at Carthage, the Franks, under Charlemagne's incompetent successors, were systimatically crushed by the Byzantines, and eventually, the entirety of Frankia was conquered. Yet the people didn't submit; and eventually, in the 12th century, the Byzantines withdrew from northern Gaul to face other threats. After a brief fragmented period, the Frankish states were united by Karlomann II in 1179, but his disastrous campaigns in southern Gaul and Bavaria delayed the rise of a new Frankish Reich. After his death, the feudals soon grabbed all the power in the country, reducing the king to puppet status and squabbling amongst each other. This allowed most of Frankia's neighbours to encroach on its territory, most notably the British who secured Brittany and ventured even further into Neustria. But in the end, after over a hundred years of civil wars, in 1314 Dagobert IV the Great, a minor noble, founded the Dagobertian Dynasty, declared himself Kaiser and crushed the king, the feudal lords and the foreigners. He and his successors also conquered Bavaria and Byzantine Provence, and now stand poised to rebuild Charlemagne's ancient empire.
Aquitaine
Capital: Toulouse
Ruler: ?
Government: Feudal Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Orthodox Church (medium Hibernian minority, tiny Judaistic minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 5 thousands (Better)
Navy (Training): 10 ships (Normal)
Economy: Growing (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Tolerable/Competent
Infrastructure: Efficient
Education: Academic
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Loving
Projects:
Nation Background: Aquitaine was always the least Germanized part of Gaul; it was there that the Orthodox church and the Romance culture catched on the most, and it prospered during the Byzantine reign. Unlike other provinces, it separated from the Byzantine Empire peacefully and remained a loyal Byzantine ally, enjoying protection from the Franks. A recent cultural renaissance turned Aquitaine into one of Europe's primary culture centers, and the crafts - especially the winemaking - are flourishing as well. But the country is weak, the Byzantines are now more interested in the Middle East and the Franks are brooding to the north...
Norman Lusitania
Capital: Olisipo
Ruler: ?
Government: Feudal Monarchy
Centralization: Loose Confederation
Religion: Hibernian Church (large Orthodox majority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 15 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): 30 ships (Better)
Economy: Good Enough (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Tolerable/Barely Tolerable
Infrastructure: Good
Education: Literate
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Barely Tolerating
Projects:
Nation Background: After the final end of the Carolingian Wars in late 9th century, Byzantine Iberia went into a temporary calm. Not much happened at all, and the local garrisons let their guard down. This allowed the Vikings to conquer the westernmost regions of Iberia - namely, Lusitania - in the early 11th century, turning Iberia into a battleground once more. In the end, despite some victories, the Byzantines had to withdraw from the Iberian peninsula - the 13th century demanded that the Byzantines give battle to the Mongol invaders. Powerful Norman lords of Lusitania quickly took over the land, terrorizing the people into submission, and since then fought wars with all their neighbours and raided them ruthlessly. They also fought back a Byzantine counter-invasion and conquered Mauritania. During the late 14th century, Lusitania was in stagnation, especially as the gap between the people and the Norman lords grew, but with the recent conquest of the Carribean Sea, Lusitania seems to have gained a new outlet for Norman energy and bloodlust.
Saxony
Capital: Hamburg
Ruler: ?
Government: Feudal Monarchy (Clanship)
Centralization: Confederation
Religion: Hibernian Church (tiny Pagan minority)
Tech. Level: Middle Middle Ages
Army (Training): 5 thousands (Normal), 20 levy thousands (Better)
Navy (Training): 5 ships (Good)
Economy: Good Enough (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Competent/Incompetent
Infrastructure: Barely Tolerable
Education: Tolerable
Culture: Hyperpatriotic
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Nation Background: The brave Saxon thegns and eoldermen bow down before no man - whether he is a Saxon king or a foreign conqueror. Though this allowed them to fight off both Charlemagne and Romanus IV, this also prevented anything getting done in Saxony itself, as in the absence of foreign threats the Saxons fought each other just as fiercely. At odds with most of their neighbours, Saxony still is its own worst enemy.
Prussia
Capital: Truso
Ruler: ?
Government: Feudal Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Hibernian Church
Tech. Level: Middle Middle Ages
Army (Training): 10 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): None yet
Economy: Normal (+1)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Better
Infrastructure: Good
Education: Literate
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Admiring
Projects:
Nation Background: The Prussians were the only Baltic tribe that wasn't conquered by the Novgorodians. The only thing that saved them from that fate was British intervention and protection. But gradually, towards the 14th century, British rule grew more and more opressive, while the Novgorodians grew stronger and stronger; eventually, as the Swedish War begun, the Prussians rebelled with Novgorodian assistane and gained independence. Though good fighters, the Prussians realize that the only reason for their continued survival is their status of a buffer state between Novgorod and Britain - and if the need for such a state disappears, then...
Greater Moravia
Capital: Nitra
Ruler: ?
Government: Feudal Monarchy
Centralization: Loose Federation
Religion: Orthodox Church (tiny Judaistic minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 15 thousands (Better)
Navy (Training): 5 ships (Good)
Economy: Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Competent
Infrastructure: Good
Education: Well Educated
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Tolerating
Projects:
Nation Background: United by Prince Mojmir in the 9th century, the Orthodox Slavic Moravians immediately proved to be very good allies for the Byzantine Empire. Being Carolingian vassals, they gladly seized upon the opportunity to free themselves from the Franks, and rebelled in the middle of the Carolingian War, attaining independence and expanding greatly. Moravia remained a good Byzantine ally, and eventually unified all the Western Slavs. Since then, the Moravians mostly squabbled amongst each other or with their various northern neighbours, but now, they must face the Khazarian menace to their east...
Byzantine Empire
Capital: Constantinople
Ruler: ?
Government: Absolute Monarchy
Centralization: Unitary with Exceptions
Religion: Orthodox Church (tiny Judaistic minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 35 thousands (Professional)
Navy (Training): 40 ships (Very Good)
Economy: Richer (+4)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Good
Infrastructure: Very Efficient
Education: Academic
Culture: Devoted
Confidence: Admiring
Projects:
Nation Background: Beginning with the reign of Justinian, the Byzantines rapidly restored the Roman Empire. The Carolingian War of 799-874 saw most all of the old empire's territory restored, but after that high point, things worsened - the Saxons fought off a Byzantine invasion, and the Franks kept rebelling until the Byzantines abandoned northern Gaul. Still, even with the Norman conquest of Lusitania, the Mediterranean was a Byzantine lake, and the Byzantines succesfully defended it all the way until the 13th century when hordes of savage Mongols overran Persia and attacked the Byzantines themselves. Though the Mongols were defeated in an epic battle at Edessa, the Byzantines lost most of their West European holdings due to this distraction. After the failure of new reconquest campaigns, the new generation of Byzantine rulers switched the vector of expansion eastwards, where Mesopotamia and Greater Axum were conquered and trade routes to Yuan China were established.
Novgorodian Rus
Capital: Novgorod
Ruler: ?
Government: Mercantile Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Hibernian Church
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 25 thousands (Very Good)
Navy (Training): 20 ships (Good)
Economy: Very Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Better/Good
Infrastructure: Efficient
Education: Perfect
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Respecting
Projects:
Nation Background: Founded by Rurik I, Novgorod had a tumultous early history. The wars with Khazaria were ultimately unsuccesful, as the Kagan retained his Slavic lands, but Novgorod still did become a great trade center, having gained access to the Dnieper River and trade priveleges in Khazar lands. The knyaz - the Prince of Novgorod - lost much power after 1024, when the new Westernized mercantile elite took power, creating a mercantile republic; it, however, was not particularily peaceful, conquering Finland and most of the Balts. Finally, in 1341, knyaz (by then, the title was mostly that of military and ceremonial importance) Tverdoslav overthrew the mercantile republic, though eventually allowing the old elite to retain some power and influence. He and his successors built up the Novgorodian army, leading it to conquer British Sweden. Since then, Novgorod didn't fight in many serious wars, but with the growing Khazar hostility that seems to be quite unavoidable.
Khazarian Kaganate
Capital: Itil
Ruler: ?
Government: Divine Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Judaism (tiny Hibernian minority, tiny Pagan minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 60 thousands (Better)
Navy (Training): 10 ships (Good)
Economy: Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Better/Better
Infrastructure: Good
Education: Well Educated
Culture: Jingoist
Confidence: Nation Personified
Projects:
Nation Background: Khazaria is an unique nation, the only Judaistic empire in the world. A traditional Byzantine ally, it helped Constantinople in its struggles with the Persians and then the Mongols (who invaded Khazaria itself along the way, only barely defeated at Itil) as well, while itself fighting the Novgorodians and Slavic rebels in their own lands. However, in recent days, a wave of Judaistic fanaticism spread over the Kaganate, and the fundamentalist court faction effectively took control. Without any serious common enemies left to unite the Khazars and the Byzantines, the old history was forgotten in favour of current squabbles over the Caucasus and Crimea, whereas another Byzantine ally, Moravia, has been caught supporting Derevlian rebels in Khazarian west. War is drawing near...
MjM
Deity
Byzantine Empire looks good! 
das
Regeneration In Process
Definitely more advanced - gunpowder has been used for some time now.
Its overloaded with problems (feudal strife, hostile population), but has much potential if they are overcome.
MjM
Deity
Azale said:hmmm....looks good so far. Im going with the eco centers on the map btw.
no reservations fools, just jump for the nes as fast as you can when it opens
Beware people, Im good at this. Got the first nation in NK's NES das's, and Cuivenien's to mention some high-calibur ones.
Thlayli
Le Pétit Prince
I was tempted to end your first post streak with CVNES MjM...but decided to lurk in favor of joining this one.
Feudal strife? Ethnic hatred?
I love ethnic hatred! Heck, I thrive on exploiting it. Norman Lusitania it is, then.
Das, let me guess...the Monarchy is Hibernian, and chooses to associate with Frankreich and Northern European nations...but the people are quite Latin/Byzantine-influenced, and want to join the Orthodox Church...they hate their rulers, don't they? Combine that with a strongly noble dominated society, and you've got a boiling cauldron of lower-class hatred.
Feudal strife? Ethnic hatred?
I love ethnic hatred! Heck, I thrive on exploiting it. Norman Lusitania it is, then.
Das, let me guess...the Monarchy is Hibernian, and chooses to associate with Frankreich and Northern European nations...but the people are quite Latin/Byzantine-influenced, and want to join the Orthodox Church...they hate their rulers, don't they? Combine that with a strongly noble dominated society, and you've got a boiling cauldron of lower-class hatred.
das
Regeneration In Process
Ja ja, and Viking in descent.
With Britain, mostly. Frankreich isn't on very good terms with the Normans neither... Britain, however, was often enough an ally.
Quite. The people there are very strange, a mix of the Romano-Iberian population, Visigoths and later Greeks (and all are Orthodox in religion, because Catholicism was forcefully mixed after the second Byzantine conquest of Italy), and also some Normans ofcourse, but the latter are concentrated in Lusitanian Proper.
Precisely.
das
Regeneration In Process
Please note - I added nation descriptions to the Eurostats.
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Holy Tuareg Empire
Capital: Awdaghost
Ruler: ?
Government: Theocratic Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Tuareg Church
Tech. Level: Early Middle Ages
Army (Training): 30 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): None yet
Economy: Normal (+1)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Competent/Incompetent
Infrastructure: Dirt Paths
Education: Illitarate
Culture: Jingoist
Confidence: Nation Personified
Projects:
Nation Background: Tuaregs and Berbers, desert peoples of the Sahara, have historically been enemies of the Byzantines and made many attempts to dislodge them from North Africa. None of those attempts succeeded, and punitive raids damaged what few cities were built by those harsh peoples. But by now, they have recovered; united around a heretical Christian sect and a single dynasty from 1387, the Tuaregs have overran the West African states and now stand poised to strike north.
Kanem-Bornu
Capital: Kuka
Ruler: ?
Government: Mercantile Monarchy
Centralization: Federation
Religion: Orthodox Church (small Animistic minority)
Tech. Level: Early Middle Ages
Army (Training): 10 thousands (Very Good)
Navy (Training): None yet
Economy: Growing (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Tolerable/Better
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Literate
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Tolerating
Projects:
Nation Background: Though this Orthodox African trader empire existed since the 9th century, it didn't do much through all that time, trading all over the northern half of Africa and sometimes fighting each other and the nearby tribes. Time passed by virtually unnoticed, but nothing lasts forever...
Rhaptan Empire
Capital: Rhapta
Ruler: ?
Government: Mercantile Monarchy
Centralization: Loose Federation
Religion: Orthodox Church
Tech. Level: Middle Middle Ages
Army (Training): 15 thousands (Better)
Navy (Training): 30 ships (Good)
Economy: Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Tolerable/Good
Infrastructure: Good
Education: Educated
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Loving
Projects:
Nation Background: The Greater Axumite Empire first begun the colonization of Eastern Africa in the 11th century. The natives were force-converted, and all heresy and paganism was ruthlessly snuffed out. But the Axumites never did establish enough control over their distant colonies; in fact, they lost what control they had in all but in name by the late 13th century. When in 1378 Axum was conquered by the Byzantines, the governor of Rhapta - a man named Caleb - declared himself emperor Caleb II (the I was a 5th century ancient Axumite ruler). Caleb II retained his claims on the Axumite throne, being a distant relative of the heretofore-ruling dynasty, and this, along with the lucrative target that Rhaptan East Africa is, causes his descendants to live in quite reasonable fear of the Byzantines to this day.
Great Zimbabwe
Capital: Great Zimbabwe
Ruler: ?
Government: Tribalism
Centralization: Loose Federation
Religion: Animism
Tech. Level: Late Ancient Age
Army (Training): 10 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): None yet
Economy: Normal (+1)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Tolerable/Incompetent
Infrastructure: Dirt Paths
Education: Illiterate
Culture: Strongly Cultured
Confidence: Tolerating
Projects:
Nation Background: The Karanga peoples are quite primitive in comparison with the mainstream civilized world, but they have created the southernmost civilization in the world. Will it fall to barbarians or to foreign empires - or will it, despite all, survive?
Second Chi Empire
Capital: Chijing
Ruler: ?
Government: Divine Monarchy
Centralization: Unitary with Exceptions
Religion: Neo-Confucianism (small Taoist minority, tiny Zoroastrian minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 25 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): None yet
Economy: Good Enough (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Good
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Literate
Culture: Strongly Cultured
Confidence: Loving
Projects:
Nation Background: The Chinese first came to Central Asia under the Han Dynasty, but back then they failed to influence its culture decisively. Things were different under the Tang - they marched all the way to the Caspian Sea and imposed a protectorate all over the region. Though it wasn't very long-lasting - the Tang Dynasty fell in early 10th century - it was followed up by the rule of Chinese and Sinified Turkic warlords, and the region was thoroughly Sinified. The First Chi ("Western") Empire didn't last for long - it was displaced by Mongol conquerors in the early 13th century. After the Mongol Wars and the collapse of the "Universal" Mongol Empire, Sinified Turkic warlords once more begun fighting for this region, until finally one of them founded the Second Chi Empire in 1375.
Ertgutlid Persia
Capital: Esfahan
Ruler: ?
Government: Theocratic Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Neo-Zoroastrianism (medium Zoroastrian minority, tiny Turkic Polytheist minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 40 thousands (Professional)
Navy (Training): 20 ships (Good)
Economy: Growing (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Good
Infrastructure: Efficinet
Education: Educated
Culture: Hyperpatriotic
Confidence: Loving
Projects:
Nation Background: After the defeat at the hands of the Tang Dynasty Chinese, many Turkic tribes from Central Asia fled west, destroying the stagnant, disintegrating Sassanid Empire in late 9th century. The Turks accepted Zoroastrianism and, by bringing new blood into it, saved the religion from its crisis and caused a cultural renaissance. The new Karakhazid Dynasty of Persia immediately entered conflict with the Byzantine Empire, and won many victories; only with the Khazar help could the Byzantines turn the tide, reconquering Syria in early 11th century and generally routing the Turks. After that defeat, Persia fell into civil war and by the 13th century there were five Turkic and two native Persian warring states in its stead. It was a cakewalk for the Mongols, but they failed to consolidate their gains and after the 1238 defeat at Byzantine hands at Edessa they lost control over Persia to a popular rebellion. But Persia then fragmented into even more states, despite another cultural renaissance. Byzantines conquered the Perso-Turkic states of Mesopotamia in 1387, frightening the rest of Persia into a coalition. After this coalition failed to defeat the Byzantines due to lack of coordination, Persia fell into a new cycle of violence that ended only recently, when the Neo-Zoroastrian Turkic religious and tribal leader named Ergutl reunited Persia and begun preparing it for war with the Byzantines.
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Sorry to let you down again Azale, but I have to do my update now... I think I underestimated this task. Will finish stats as soon as I could, however.
Any other questions?
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Holy Tuareg Empire
Capital: Awdaghost
Ruler: ?
Government: Theocratic Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Tuareg Church
Tech. Level: Early Middle Ages
Army (Training): 30 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): None yet
Economy: Normal (+1)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Competent/Incompetent
Infrastructure: Dirt Paths
Education: Illitarate
Culture: Jingoist
Confidence: Nation Personified
Projects:
Nation Background: Tuaregs and Berbers, desert peoples of the Sahara, have historically been enemies of the Byzantines and made many attempts to dislodge them from North Africa. None of those attempts succeeded, and punitive raids damaged what few cities were built by those harsh peoples. But by now, they have recovered; united around a heretical Christian sect and a single dynasty from 1387, the Tuaregs have overran the West African states and now stand poised to strike north.
Kanem-Bornu
Capital: Kuka
Ruler: ?
Government: Mercantile Monarchy
Centralization: Federation
Religion: Orthodox Church (small Animistic minority)
Tech. Level: Early Middle Ages
Army (Training): 10 thousands (Very Good)
Navy (Training): None yet
Economy: Growing (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Tolerable/Better
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Literate
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Tolerating
Projects:
Nation Background: Though this Orthodox African trader empire existed since the 9th century, it didn't do much through all that time, trading all over the northern half of Africa and sometimes fighting each other and the nearby tribes. Time passed by virtually unnoticed, but nothing lasts forever...
Rhaptan Empire
Capital: Rhapta
Ruler: ?
Government: Mercantile Monarchy
Centralization: Loose Federation
Religion: Orthodox Church
Tech. Level: Middle Middle Ages
Army (Training): 15 thousands (Better)
Navy (Training): 30 ships (Good)
Economy: Rich (+3)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Tolerable/Good
Infrastructure: Good
Education: Educated
Culture: Patriotic
Confidence: Loving
Projects:
Nation Background: The Greater Axumite Empire first begun the colonization of Eastern Africa in the 11th century. The natives were force-converted, and all heresy and paganism was ruthlessly snuffed out. But the Axumites never did establish enough control over their distant colonies; in fact, they lost what control they had in all but in name by the late 13th century. When in 1378 Axum was conquered by the Byzantines, the governor of Rhapta - a man named Caleb - declared himself emperor Caleb II (the I was a 5th century ancient Axumite ruler). Caleb II retained his claims on the Axumite throne, being a distant relative of the heretofore-ruling dynasty, and this, along with the lucrative target that Rhaptan East Africa is, causes his descendants to live in quite reasonable fear of the Byzantines to this day.
Great Zimbabwe
Capital: Great Zimbabwe
Ruler: ?
Government: Tribalism
Centralization: Loose Federation
Religion: Animism
Tech. Level: Late Ancient Age
Army (Training): 10 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): None yet
Economy: Normal (+1)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Tolerable/Incompetent
Infrastructure: Dirt Paths
Education: Illiterate
Culture: Strongly Cultured
Confidence: Tolerating
Projects:
Nation Background: The Karanga peoples are quite primitive in comparison with the mainstream civilized world, but they have created the southernmost civilization in the world. Will it fall to barbarians or to foreign empires - or will it, despite all, survive?
Second Chi Empire
Capital: Chijing
Ruler: ?
Government: Divine Monarchy
Centralization: Unitary with Exceptions
Religion: Neo-Confucianism (small Taoist minority, tiny Zoroastrian minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 25 thousands (Good)
Navy (Training): None yet
Economy: Good Enough (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Good
Infrastructure: Improving
Education: Literate
Culture: Strongly Cultured
Confidence: Loving
Projects:
Nation Background: The Chinese first came to Central Asia under the Han Dynasty, but back then they failed to influence its culture decisively. Things were different under the Tang - they marched all the way to the Caspian Sea and imposed a protectorate all over the region. Though it wasn't very long-lasting - the Tang Dynasty fell in early 10th century - it was followed up by the rule of Chinese and Sinified Turkic warlords, and the region was thoroughly Sinified. The First Chi ("Western") Empire didn't last for long - it was displaced by Mongol conquerors in the early 13th century. After the Mongol Wars and the collapse of the "Universal" Mongol Empire, Sinified Turkic warlords once more begun fighting for this region, until finally one of them founded the Second Chi Empire in 1375.
Ertgutlid Persia
Capital: Esfahan
Ruler: ?
Government: Theocratic Monarchy
Centralization: Tight Federation
Religion: Neo-Zoroastrianism (medium Zoroastrian minority, tiny Turkic Polytheist minority)
Tech. Level: Late Middle Ages
Army (Training): 40 thousands (Professional)
Navy (Training): 20 ships (Good)
Economy: Growing (+2)
Leadership (Military/Civilian): Good/Good
Infrastructure: Efficinet
Education: Educated
Culture: Hyperpatriotic
Confidence: Loving
Projects:
Nation Background: After the defeat at the hands of the Tang Dynasty Chinese, many Turkic tribes from Central Asia fled west, destroying the stagnant, disintegrating Sassanid Empire in late 9th century. The Turks accepted Zoroastrianism and, by bringing new blood into it, saved the religion from its crisis and caused a cultural renaissance. The new Karakhazid Dynasty of Persia immediately entered conflict with the Byzantine Empire, and won many victories; only with the Khazar help could the Byzantines turn the tide, reconquering Syria in early 11th century and generally routing the Turks. After that defeat, Persia fell into civil war and by the 13th century there were five Turkic and two native Persian warring states in its stead. It was a cakewalk for the Mongols, but they failed to consolidate their gains and after the 1238 defeat at Byzantine hands at Edessa they lost control over Persia to a popular rebellion. But Persia then fragmented into even more states, despite another cultural renaissance. Byzantines conquered the Perso-Turkic states of Mesopotamia in 1387, frightening the rest of Persia into a coalition. After this coalition failed to defeat the Byzantines due to lack of coordination, Persia fell into a new cycle of violence that ended only recently, when the Neo-Zoroastrian Turkic religious and tribal leader named Ergutl reunited Persia and begun preparing it for war with the Byzantines.
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Sorry to let you down again Azale, but I have to do my update now... I think I underestimated this task. Will finish stats as soon as I could, however.
Any other questions?
Oruc
Reactionary
whats so great about Zimbabwe?
das
Regeneration In Process
Oruc
Reactionary
Olafsland sounds most interesting
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