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REVISIONIST INDOPHILE HISTORY! REVISIONIST!
I have no idea what the PoD is, for I know little about indian history.
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REVISIONIST INDOPHILE HISTORY! REVISIONIST!
I have no idea what the PoD is, for I know little about indian history.
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Lord_Iggy said:
That's a fairly recent creation... Well, the empire is. The Jagellion Empire of the Poles was also huge, but that fell due to nationalist rebellion and Swedish and Byzantine invasions, and was replaced with the Polish Republic, analogous to the French revolution. Yes, I got that particular idea from a das timeline.
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Insane_Panda said:
It's South East Asian. It should be your forte!
It even has a vastly engorged Vietnam...
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I am vietnamese. That doesn't mean I know much of anything about vietnam's history 
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alex994
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You desecrated China!!! *sharpens knives* Bring on the INQUISITION!!!
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Heh. That's nothing compared to the next alt hist I have planned.
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
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Alex why do you have a french guy as an avatar? it is french guy isnt it?
Swissempire
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North King, I just noticed the Revoultuionary Irish harp flag in your avvie. I official think your awesome!!!
As for the PoD is it.... umm....umm..... I give up
As for the PoD is it.... umm....umm..... I give up
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emu said:
Yeah it's a French Guy.
On another hand, I have an idea i've given some thought to. You know during the Romance of the Three Kingdoms could it have been possible to keep the 3 states seperate?
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alex994 said:On another hand, I have an idea i've given some thought to. You know during the Romance of the Three Kingdoms could it have been possible to keep the 3 states seperate?
I don't think so. The balance of power was out of whack; Wu or Wei was bound to conquer Shu.
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North King said:
Considering that at one time Shu was at the homelands of Wei... Let's just say theoretically there was also a climate change due to a larger snowfall then usual forcing the nomads of the North to put a much larger pressure on Wei and the same with pirates and Wu....
Yes, I am betraying my ideal of an unified China...
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alex994 said:Yeah it's a French Guy.
On another hand, I have an idea i've given some thought to. You know during the Romance of the Three Kingdoms could it have been possible to keep the 3 states seperate?
hey no fair, you only answered one of my questions.
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emu said:
Ah sorry, I overlooked the first one. I chose Louis because frankly I like his stately wig. Very official and wealthy looking
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I'm sorry, but Louis XVI was one butt ugly king. Or atleast thats the tale his official portraits tell. The rococo fashion for monarchs (with those little slippers, tights, and fat robes) was, as a whole, butt ugly.
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I'll include the intro incase you missed it.....
Intro
I'm going to be starting an alternate History. I will take it up to the 1800's. The PoD is The Battle of Larinum during the 2nd Punic War. In this history, Cunctator Fabius decides to stick to his Fabian Strategy and doesn't reinforce Minucius, who is defeated by Hannibal. This showed the Italian People under Romes protection they could no longer count on Romes protection, just as Hannibal had planned. They were quick to seek either independence or protection under the Carthagian Empire. This quickened the revolts in Sicily and the Macedonian pledge of alliance to Carthage. Hannibal would receive reinforcements and make his much awaited charge at Rome. The people panic and rioted, overthrowing Fabius and electing Quintus Caecilius Metellus and Publius Cornelius Scipio as Consuls. They quickly made peace with Carthage. A large indemnity was paid to The Carthagians, and the Romans were limited only to 10 ship. They were to have no army.
200 B.C.E to 100 B.C.E
Eurasia and North Africa
After winning the Second Punic War, Carthage found itself thrust into Empire. It reformed its Government, Granting Hannibal the title of Emperor, and having each colony run by a Chief Magistrate who reported to the Emperor. The government was further down run by Sofetim, who over saw cities and villages. With the new land Carthage had gained, it began to integrate the cultures fairly quickly. The language was integrated and influenced heavily by Greek and Latin, and would develop a language of Latinized Punic. The Religon of Tanit spread into Carthages Iberian and Italian colonies, as well as neighboring nations. Emperor Hannibal was a very smart very wise strategist. He began securing the Trading posts of Carthage and establishing cities there. By 196 B.C.E, Hannibal had secured cities and colonies as far south as Senegal. Hannibals brilliant domestic policies led to an economic boom the likes of which were never seen before. His reforms coupled with the indemnity from Rome and increased trade from the Empire brought a golden age to Carthage.
The Fall of Rome left a power vacuum that others were all too eager to fill. The total folding of the Roman Republic territories lead to the people rushing in. The Aquitaine Gaul tribes were slowly united by a Chieftain who stylized himself as Brennus II. By 190 B.C.E, most of Modern Aquitaine was united by Brennus II under the Kingdom of Gallia. The Carthaginians would settle most of the southern coastal areas. In Northern Italy, the Cisalpine Gauls had allied themselves with Carthage as did the rest of the Latin peninsula EXCEPT for the territory of Latium. Latium was divided into the city of Rome and a newly formed Latin League.
Phillip V of Macedonia is almost unchallenged in his conquests of Illyria and Hellas. By 196 B.C.E. Phillip V had secured almost all of Thrace, laying siege to the City State of Byzantium in 195 B.C.E and conquering it subsequently. Began consolidating and securing is empire afterwards, slowly picking off remaining city states.
In the Middle East, The Seleucid Empire fared badly. In 187 B.C.E, they were declared invaded by the Parthians and the Egyptians. Their was a fierce war that lasted until 175 B.C.E, with the Egyptians moving up to the borders of Judea, and with the Parthian Empire gaining most of their land. The Seleucids were relegated to modern Syria, and were subsequently conquered by Judea in 170 B.C.E.
During the fighting of the Mesopotamia War, The Jews united under a feisty Rabbi named Mattathias, who lead them to freedom. After Mattathias was killed, his son, Judah Maccabee, took over the fight, establishing the Kingdom of Judah and the Maccabee dynasty. He rebuilt the temple and conquered Syria and Jordan.
In 190 B.C.E and again in 180 B.C.E. Carthage declared war on The Massyli[1]. These conflicts would become known as the Massyli Wars. The first one ended in a stalemate with Carthage taking half of Massyli but being stopped by a Massyli force bolstered by Egyptian mercenaries. Then in 180 B.C.E, with Egypt distracted by the war with the Seleucid Empire, Hannibal launched an attack against Massyli. It was a brilliant Campaign, where he made use of every resource and used the wheel strategy. .Unfortunately this would be the last campaign for Hannibal, as he would die in 179 B.C.E, his brother Hasdrubal Barca taking his throne. Hasdrubal would spend the next five years reforming Carthage and expanding its colonies and contacts with the new Empires. Then in 174 B.C.E. the Romans would be so frustrated with the Gauls raiding them that Consul Scipio would raze an army and march to defeat them. This broke the Peace between Carthage and Rome, and Hasdrubal, eager to prove himself, routed Scipios small army and sacked Rome, salting the land and burning it to the ground. Rome would henceforth be a Carthaginian Colony.
Then in 163 B.C.E, an aging Hasdrubal wanted to have a legacy, so he amassed a large army of Carthaginian Infantry, Elephants and Mercenaries and attacked Egypt. Ptolemy VI Philometor was caught off guard and the Carthaginian armies got as far as Alexandria on the Delta. The battle and siege of Alexandria though, cost the Carthaginian Army heavily, and a peace with Egypt was drawn up soon after in 160 B.C.E. Then in 157 B.C.E, the Parthian Empire attacked Egypts Asia Minor territories. This led to Hasdrubal re-realizing his dreams of a Carthaginian Egypt, and in 156 B.C.E his armies invaded Europe. The 89 year old Emperor then died a month later. During the ascendancy of his son, Hannibal II who was already 55 years old, the Carthaginian armies stalled, Allowing Egypt to stop the Parthians at the Sinai. Peace was then signed between the two nations. The Carthaginians got their war machine up and running again and conquered Thebes and Giza in the next 2 years. After that, the Egyptian government surrendered in exchange for guarantees that they continue governing, under Carthaginian authority, parts of Egypt.
For the next five years, all was pretty quite, the Preliminary stages of Pax Tunisia. Then, in the Parthian Empire, all hell broke loose. The Parthian Empire was split in half by Zoroastrian Persian Rebels who called themselves the Sassinids. The Sassinid rebel was fought for 5 years until the Parthians gave up and let them be. In The Macedonian Empire, King Perseus passed away at 65, leaving a succession dispute between Andriscus and Perseus son Alexander. After a 2 year civil war, they made peace, with Alexander Perseus ruling Macedonia and Illyria and Thrace, and Andriscus starting the Anatolian Empire. But by 140 B.C.E the Eurasian world was settling down, rebuilding. The only major thing to happen for the next 20 years was the secession of the Transalpine Gauls from Gallia to form the Alpine Kingdom. This happened in 129 B.C.E. Then after that Pax Tunisia set back in, with the empires focused more inward than outward. But their peaceful lives would be shaken up in the years of 113 to 103 B.C.E when the Cimbri and the Teutons migrated south. The battles in Northern Europe raged, with Gallia, Alpine and Macedonia losing land to the barbarian invaders. By 103 they had set up Kingdoms. Europe once again was in a palpable tension.
Asia
In India, the Mauryan Empire was shrinking rapidly. Emperor Brihadrata knew he had to do something about it. So in 193 B.C.E, he began popularizing Yuddhayana Buddhism, or Sword Vehicle. This sect of Buddhism popularized Enlightment through Conquest, Peace through War. The 1st and 2nd precepts of Sila were altered to popularize conquest. The Kushtina form of meditation caught on, which was meditation through combat. This sect spread like wildfire among the former Hindus who longed for lost glory, and among the populace that was tired of living in a worn out empire. Emperor Brihadrata would proclaim this as the true Buddhism and mobilized his forces. By 179 B.C.E, Emperor Brihadrata had reclaimed all of the former Mauryan holdings as well as conquering the Tamil kingdoms. But then in Emperor Brihadrata moment of triumph, the Bactrian Empire launched a surprise attack. The Bactra-Maurya War went on for 6 years before the Mauryan Buddhists, tired of the bloodshed and war-weary, overthrew Emperor Brihadrata and put in his place a true Buddhist King. They made peace with the Bactrians, granting them the Indus River Valley in return for a promise not to ever again attack the Mauryan Empire. Yuddhayana Buddhism was outlawed, but not forgotten.
The Bactrians were glad for the peace as they had their hands full with Parthians and later the Sassinids. Once they grew their empire to the Indus, they were content, focusing on their Kingdom and surprisingly, embracing Hinduism. Many thousands of Hindus would migrate to Bactria over the next 50-60 years.
We see the Han dynasty emerge around this time. It is staunchly Confucian and continues to expand its empire. By the year 100 B.C.E., The Han dynasty controlled Min Yue, Korea and Mongolia and was making headway into Siam.
The rest of Africa
The Kingdom of Kush declared war on the Nubians around 170 B.C.E, and promptly defeated them. With Egypt focused on the Mediterranean, Kush could expand unhindered. Even setting up cities on the Red Sea around 140 B.C.E. Moroe continues to flourish under the Kushan rule. They would become a large Kingdom by 100 B.C.E, extending down the partial the Blue and White Niles.
To the South of Kush lay the Kingdom of Aksum, which by 100 B.C.E was trading heavily with Mauryan Empire, the Sassinids, and the Bactrians and the Carthaginians. They pretty much owned the horn of Africa. The rest of Africa was still tribal hunter gatherers.
The Americas
The Mayan Empire kept on chugging along, building infrastructure and temples. Establishing itself for centuries to come. The Anazai to the North have begun forming clay buildings and farming maize. They have a minor civilization, but great potential.
The Chibchas are flourishing in Columbia, slowly building up their civilization while fending off the Arawaks. Chavins demise has left a hole in the Peruvian Area that the Moche cannot hope to fill, but they tried to. Unfortunately for them, they declared war on the NASCAR, who promptly dispatched of them. The Nazca took over part of Peru and started where the Chavin left off. The Nazca would sweep down and conquer the fledgling Tiwanaku.
Note: Okay, this was a hugely long one. If someone wants to do a nes with it, fine by me, but Im still shooting for 1800 ad. Any critiques or questions please post them, and most updates will be shorter and over a longer period of time. I just had to fill the Rome power gap and set up the Map and stuff.
[1] OTL Numidia
Intro
I'm going to be starting an alternate History. I will take it up to the 1800's. The PoD is The Battle of Larinum during the 2nd Punic War. In this history, Cunctator Fabius decides to stick to his Fabian Strategy and doesn't reinforce Minucius, who is defeated by Hannibal. This showed the Italian People under Romes protection they could no longer count on Romes protection, just as Hannibal had planned. They were quick to seek either independence or protection under the Carthagian Empire. This quickened the revolts in Sicily and the Macedonian pledge of alliance to Carthage. Hannibal would receive reinforcements and make his much awaited charge at Rome. The people panic and rioted, overthrowing Fabius and electing Quintus Caecilius Metellus and Publius Cornelius Scipio as Consuls. They quickly made peace with Carthage. A large indemnity was paid to The Carthagians, and the Romans were limited only to 10 ship. They were to have no army.
200 B.C.E to 100 B.C.E
Eurasia and North Africa
After winning the Second Punic War, Carthage found itself thrust into Empire. It reformed its Government, Granting Hannibal the title of Emperor, and having each colony run by a Chief Magistrate who reported to the Emperor. The government was further down run by Sofetim, who over saw cities and villages. With the new land Carthage had gained, it began to integrate the cultures fairly quickly. The language was integrated and influenced heavily by Greek and Latin, and would develop a language of Latinized Punic. The Religon of Tanit spread into Carthages Iberian and Italian colonies, as well as neighboring nations. Emperor Hannibal was a very smart very wise strategist. He began securing the Trading posts of Carthage and establishing cities there. By 196 B.C.E, Hannibal had secured cities and colonies as far south as Senegal. Hannibals brilliant domestic policies led to an economic boom the likes of which were never seen before. His reforms coupled with the indemnity from Rome and increased trade from the Empire brought a golden age to Carthage.
The Fall of Rome left a power vacuum that others were all too eager to fill. The total folding of the Roman Republic territories lead to the people rushing in. The Aquitaine Gaul tribes were slowly united by a Chieftain who stylized himself as Brennus II. By 190 B.C.E, most of Modern Aquitaine was united by Brennus II under the Kingdom of Gallia. The Carthaginians would settle most of the southern coastal areas. In Northern Italy, the Cisalpine Gauls had allied themselves with Carthage as did the rest of the Latin peninsula EXCEPT for the territory of Latium. Latium was divided into the city of Rome and a newly formed Latin League.
Phillip V of Macedonia is almost unchallenged in his conquests of Illyria and Hellas. By 196 B.C.E. Phillip V had secured almost all of Thrace, laying siege to the City State of Byzantium in 195 B.C.E and conquering it subsequently. Began consolidating and securing is empire afterwards, slowly picking off remaining city states.
In the Middle East, The Seleucid Empire fared badly. In 187 B.C.E, they were declared invaded by the Parthians and the Egyptians. Their was a fierce war that lasted until 175 B.C.E, with the Egyptians moving up to the borders of Judea, and with the Parthian Empire gaining most of their land. The Seleucids were relegated to modern Syria, and were subsequently conquered by Judea in 170 B.C.E.
During the fighting of the Mesopotamia War, The Jews united under a feisty Rabbi named Mattathias, who lead them to freedom. After Mattathias was killed, his son, Judah Maccabee, took over the fight, establishing the Kingdom of Judah and the Maccabee dynasty. He rebuilt the temple and conquered Syria and Jordan.
In 190 B.C.E and again in 180 B.C.E. Carthage declared war on The Massyli[1]. These conflicts would become known as the Massyli Wars. The first one ended in a stalemate with Carthage taking half of Massyli but being stopped by a Massyli force bolstered by Egyptian mercenaries. Then in 180 B.C.E, with Egypt distracted by the war with the Seleucid Empire, Hannibal launched an attack against Massyli. It was a brilliant Campaign, where he made use of every resource and used the wheel strategy. .Unfortunately this would be the last campaign for Hannibal, as he would die in 179 B.C.E, his brother Hasdrubal Barca taking his throne. Hasdrubal would spend the next five years reforming Carthage and expanding its colonies and contacts with the new Empires. Then in 174 B.C.E. the Romans would be so frustrated with the Gauls raiding them that Consul Scipio would raze an army and march to defeat them. This broke the Peace between Carthage and Rome, and Hasdrubal, eager to prove himself, routed Scipios small army and sacked Rome, salting the land and burning it to the ground. Rome would henceforth be a Carthaginian Colony.
Then in 163 B.C.E, an aging Hasdrubal wanted to have a legacy, so he amassed a large army of Carthaginian Infantry, Elephants and Mercenaries and attacked Egypt. Ptolemy VI Philometor was caught off guard and the Carthaginian armies got as far as Alexandria on the Delta. The battle and siege of Alexandria though, cost the Carthaginian Army heavily, and a peace with Egypt was drawn up soon after in 160 B.C.E. Then in 157 B.C.E, the Parthian Empire attacked Egypts Asia Minor territories. This led to Hasdrubal re-realizing his dreams of a Carthaginian Egypt, and in 156 B.C.E his armies invaded Europe. The 89 year old Emperor then died a month later. During the ascendancy of his son, Hannibal II who was already 55 years old, the Carthaginian armies stalled, Allowing Egypt to stop the Parthians at the Sinai. Peace was then signed between the two nations. The Carthaginians got their war machine up and running again and conquered Thebes and Giza in the next 2 years. After that, the Egyptian government surrendered in exchange for guarantees that they continue governing, under Carthaginian authority, parts of Egypt.
For the next five years, all was pretty quite, the Preliminary stages of Pax Tunisia. Then, in the Parthian Empire, all hell broke loose. The Parthian Empire was split in half by Zoroastrian Persian Rebels who called themselves the Sassinids. The Sassinid rebel was fought for 5 years until the Parthians gave up and let them be. In The Macedonian Empire, King Perseus passed away at 65, leaving a succession dispute between Andriscus and Perseus son Alexander. After a 2 year civil war, they made peace, with Alexander Perseus ruling Macedonia and Illyria and Thrace, and Andriscus starting the Anatolian Empire. But by 140 B.C.E the Eurasian world was settling down, rebuilding. The only major thing to happen for the next 20 years was the secession of the Transalpine Gauls from Gallia to form the Alpine Kingdom. This happened in 129 B.C.E. Then after that Pax Tunisia set back in, with the empires focused more inward than outward. But their peaceful lives would be shaken up in the years of 113 to 103 B.C.E when the Cimbri and the Teutons migrated south. The battles in Northern Europe raged, with Gallia, Alpine and Macedonia losing land to the barbarian invaders. By 103 they had set up Kingdoms. Europe once again was in a palpable tension.
Asia
In India, the Mauryan Empire was shrinking rapidly. Emperor Brihadrata knew he had to do something about it. So in 193 B.C.E, he began popularizing Yuddhayana Buddhism, or Sword Vehicle. This sect of Buddhism popularized Enlightment through Conquest, Peace through War. The 1st and 2nd precepts of Sila were altered to popularize conquest. The Kushtina form of meditation caught on, which was meditation through combat. This sect spread like wildfire among the former Hindus who longed for lost glory, and among the populace that was tired of living in a worn out empire. Emperor Brihadrata would proclaim this as the true Buddhism and mobilized his forces. By 179 B.C.E, Emperor Brihadrata had reclaimed all of the former Mauryan holdings as well as conquering the Tamil kingdoms. But then in Emperor Brihadrata moment of triumph, the Bactrian Empire launched a surprise attack. The Bactra-Maurya War went on for 6 years before the Mauryan Buddhists, tired of the bloodshed and war-weary, overthrew Emperor Brihadrata and put in his place a true Buddhist King. They made peace with the Bactrians, granting them the Indus River Valley in return for a promise not to ever again attack the Mauryan Empire. Yuddhayana Buddhism was outlawed, but not forgotten.
The Bactrians were glad for the peace as they had their hands full with Parthians and later the Sassinids. Once they grew their empire to the Indus, they were content, focusing on their Kingdom and surprisingly, embracing Hinduism. Many thousands of Hindus would migrate to Bactria over the next 50-60 years.
We see the Han dynasty emerge around this time. It is staunchly Confucian and continues to expand its empire. By the year 100 B.C.E., The Han dynasty controlled Min Yue, Korea and Mongolia and was making headway into Siam.
The rest of Africa
The Kingdom of Kush declared war on the Nubians around 170 B.C.E, and promptly defeated them. With Egypt focused on the Mediterranean, Kush could expand unhindered. Even setting up cities on the Red Sea around 140 B.C.E. Moroe continues to flourish under the Kushan rule. They would become a large Kingdom by 100 B.C.E, extending down the partial the Blue and White Niles.
To the South of Kush lay the Kingdom of Aksum, which by 100 B.C.E was trading heavily with Mauryan Empire, the Sassinids, and the Bactrians and the Carthaginians. They pretty much owned the horn of Africa. The rest of Africa was still tribal hunter gatherers.
The Americas
The Mayan Empire kept on chugging along, building infrastructure and temples. Establishing itself for centuries to come. The Anazai to the North have begun forming clay buildings and farming maize. They have a minor civilization, but great potential.
The Chibchas are flourishing in Columbia, slowly building up their civilization while fending off the Arawaks. Chavins demise has left a hole in the Peruvian Area that the Moche cannot hope to fill, but they tried to. Unfortunately for them, they declared war on the NASCAR, who promptly dispatched of them. The Nazca took over part of Peru and started where the Chavin left off. The Nazca would sweep down and conquer the fledgling Tiwanaku.
Note: Okay, this was a hugely long one. If someone wants to do a nes with it, fine by me, but Im still shooting for 1800 ad. Any critiques or questions please post them, and most updates will be shorter and over a longer period of time. I just had to fill the Rome power gap and set up the Map and stuff.
[1] OTL Numidia
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