Alternate History Thread III

das, I stand by my earlier statements that Taiwan was far less profitable for the gain involved, and that the Song were a dynasty with a large amount of potential for a colonizing culture to evolve. Remember that before 1492, Europe was hardly a colonizing culture outside of Portugal and Castile.
 
NONE of the European countries actually had a colonizing culture in the 15th century; in fact I am not sure what do you mean when you talk about a "colonizing culture". Pretty much all cultures are "colonizing"; but far from all of them actually bother sailing beyond a huge ocean to colonize land there when they could do so close to home. In Europe, this was impossible; a series of wars there left all the sides involved more-or-less deadlocked. Lack of nearby opportunities eventually drove most European countries to expanding across the seas; note that those countries that DID have good nearby opportunities rarely founded serious colonial empires (observe Sweden, for instance - or even ancien regime France with its underpopulated, underdeveloped colonies) and instead went for nearby expansion.

So why should China, instead of attacking Vietnam, Korea or some other neighbours as usual try to colonize California? Although upon giving this some thought I agree that if any dynasty could have done that, it would have been the Song, as they were somewhat hemmed in. But still, I think that a trans-Pacific Chinese colonial empire before 19th century naval tech would be largely unviable in the long-term. Cuivienen's option for a local Chinese state seems more likely.
 
Well obviously it would split off at some point; the thing is that it certainly was possible to be established.
 
Well, Sung China pretty much failed to conquer any of those places losing northern China later on. In all actualities, it was one of the weakest dynasties and one of the most ah... ridiculed by modern Chinese. For losing to the Mongols and all that.

Of course, as a result to losing Northern China to the Jin and later Yuan, they were quite deadlocked. They weren't really able to expand in any of the traditional directions with large military expeditionssince the Jin and later Yuan were watching them like a hawk and would pounce at the slightest opportunity.

Of course, by that period the Sung was pretty much doomed... :( Thus if the correct Emperor came well... To the land of Xu Fu! It's not that unlikely actually, Sung China going to America.
 
Then let us leave it at that and see what alex would make of it.

EDIT: And before long...

The thing about Nan Song China was that it actually had a southern capital and due to the loss of the northern territories had to compensate by fostering commerce. In any case, southern China was terribly underpopulated before the Song, and many natural harbours were left unexploited until then.

It's not that unlikely actually, Sung China going to America.
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Ever read "Empty America"? There is Song Chinese colonization of California there; after the Mongols overrun it, it became something like a macro-Taiwan (though some local governor became emperor if I recall correctly).
 
We do need some changes, don't we? ;) Although I'm not entirely happy with the Rhodesian colour...
 
Russia, America, and Britain, oh my!
 
Hmm, America's viability as a heavy industry producer should last far longer than in OTL, now that there's cheap labor behind all that production capacity.

I'm curious to see how the political balance will be affected by the Mexican states entering Congress, though.

And yes, I'm still working on Canute stats, slowly.
 
Canada: The Great Purple North
 
Hmm... I just saw it in different colours in SB's modern NES and IC's odd future NES.

Was it a different colour in Goob's NES(es) too?
 
Russia, America, and Britain, oh my!
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Russia looks far stronger than it is, chiefly due to the expansion into Chinese territories. It is, in fact, badly in need of reform, especially its military which may not survive an attack from Germany or Japan. Although ofcourse it has great potential.

USA is very strong indeed, but has problems integrating its new gains and is also partially hindered by remaining introvertness; it is powerful, but not fully unchallangeable, especially if a coalition is assembled against it.

I see America taking a while to digest her Hispanic conquests,
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Easier said than done, if only because German and Peruvian agents are causing trouble. If America is to properly integrate its gains, it will probably have to press on relentlessly in its campaign to dominate the Western Hemisphere; there are several regional powers in South America opposed to its rise, and Britain and Germany may yet get their act together to move against the USA, hindering it at the least.

I'm curious to see how the political balance will be affected by the Mexican states entering Congress, though.
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What "Mexican states"? :p They're territories, and some of them are likely to remain such for quite a while...

Canada was purple in the first Never Ending Story, because I simply coloured a few real world nations in the colours of their Civ III "equivalents"; not completely sure why did I think that the Iroquois are equivalent to Canada, but ah well.
 
Oh that world looks like it could turn so bloody so quickly....its quite beautiful....I wish someone would do this...
 
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