Alternate History Thread III

[Azale]

@Harleqin, are you taking reservations? I'm eyeing Russia, Austria, and Mexico myself...

 

[das]

Hmm... nice! Something Napoleonic (perhaps Republican? A different French leadership, with Talleyrand more influential early on?) seems by far the most likely; probably an earlier switch to a Mediterranean strategy or something like that, allowing for success against the Turks.

The Latin American situation is particularily interesting, though perhaps parts of it are to be expected in a Napoleonic victory world, if the confrontation with the Spanish Bourbons still comes; with Spain occupied by the French, the Latin American revolutions MIGHT score a faster victory, especially if they make the right alliances (possibly grabbing certain British colonies as well; I'd imagine that Mexico and Argentina are close French allies in this world).

 

[Harleqin]

Ok, I'm still working hard here. So far interest has been shown as follows. Let me know if I've overlooked or forgotten anyone:

Interest:
Japan: Luckymoose
Russia: Silver 2039, Azale
France: Insane_Panda
Prussia: The Farow
Denmark: The Farow
USA: North King, Lord_Iggy
Austria: Azale
Mexico: Azale

Also, I've made a pre-liminary listing of the various nations power. I still need quite a bit of work on the rules and the stats.

Power-ranking:
Super Powers:
France
Great Britain

Major Powers:
Portugal
Ottoman Empire
Russian Empire
China
United States

Minor Powers:
Austria
Netherlands
Spain

Minor Nations:
Denmark
Naples
Prussia
Japan
Marathan Confederacy

Triflings:
The rest

 

[Disenfrancised]

Well its a rather obviously Napoleonic one - Dupont avoids the diasterious Battle of Balen somehow (forwarned of the numbers most likely), thus the war in Spain goes slightly better for France (though they still eventual loose) and the french military reputation is maintained. This leads to a later war of the 5th Coalition and Russia leaves the continential system before Austria is defeated, no invasion of Russia occurs. The Napoleonic wars continue on longer with France still mostly victorious in war but with a crumbling economy. Then 1816 rolls around and the Year without Summer leads to a collapse of France's economy, faced with food riots France concludes the Second Treaty of Amiens (with rather more concessions to the British, see colonies...ooops forgot about Suriname - that should be British), setting up a balance of power in europe that will last for some time.

@das; What Argentina? thats the Dominion of the Plate .

 

[das]

Interesting, though perhaps more details on the course of the war after 1810 would be in order; would it simply be France and Britain fighting periphereal wars, with Russia on the sidelines and Austria and Prussia subjugated roughly as in OTL? Did the French invade Turkey instead of Russia after defeating Austria?

Oh, and are you sure that the Prussians would even WANT Pskov?

 

[Symphony D.]

USA: North King, Lord_Iggy

Ahem, ahem. Didn't have that conversation for nothing.

Also throwing in for Argentina.

 

[Luckymoose]

Actually HQ. Put me down as China. Japan too. If someone greater comes along China will be theirs.

"Until then, All Hail Luckymoose!"

 

[Disenfrancised]

Interesting, though perhaps more details on the course of the war after 1810 would be in order; would it simply be France and Britain fighting periphereal wars, with Russia on the sidelines and Austria and Prussia subjugated roughly as in OTL? Did the French invade Turkey instead of Russia after defeating Austria?

Oh, and are you sure that the Prussians would even WANT Pskov?

Pretty much, though Russia was increasingly opposed to France, hence the French invasion of Turkey (though only Constaniople was held, the annexation of lands came later) to secure the Bosporus. After the second treaty Prussia and Austria were able to excert more independence with British and Russian backing.

This is the world some time after the PoD remeber - a lot can happen in a century (i'm working on a full time line), but Prussia and Austria were kept impotent for at least half a century and there were a number of wars that Britiain and France played the Great Game in (The American Civil war for one ) Britains economic and naval might winning most of them.

Pskov is a slip of the mouse .

 

[Azale]

Ok...this is going to be confusing but..

1. China
2. Mexico
3. Austria
4. Russia (silver would be better with it)

Sorry for being confusing

I'm guessing Mexico is as ripe with corruption and revolution as in real life?

 

[Luckymoose]

Ok...this is going to be confusing but..

1. China
2. Mexico
3. Austria
4. Russia (silver would be better with it)

Sorry for being confusing

I'm guessing Mexico is as ripe with corruption and revolution as in real life?

Fine I will keep Japan.

 

[Harleqin]

I'll fix it Rules about ready, need some work on stats and then I'll open a seperate preview thread.

 

[Kal'thzar]

Wouldn't mind the UK HQ...

 

[Harleqin]

I'm guessing Mexico is as ripe with corruption and revolution as in real life?

No, a little better actually. With the continued French presence in Spain many nobles left the war-torn peninsula to seek their fortune in Mexico. The Spanish king didn't last long due to his incompetence, so a junta has taken control. With elements of the regular Spanish army also resident they have somewhat control of the area.

Power is really divided between the old nobles and the new arrivals. Power is shared between them in a unified government, though they rule their local areas more or less as they please. The old nobles knew they couldn't stand up to the new arrivals and the new nobles needed the old ones as well.
For now they are relatively united though and the higher presence of nobles, with military, in the region has actually made the nation prosper a bit.

The workers aren't too pleased though


EDIT: I'll make a note of it Kal.

 

[germanicus12]

Can I have Great Britain if it hasnt been taken yet?

 

[Luckymoose]

I will contact you on what I will be doing. Hq. Once the preview thread opens. So Japan is still reserved by me just in case. And Holland to please.

 

[das]

(The American Civil war for one)

So it still happened?

Also, British Sudan looks a bit suspicious, although I suppose its not impossible to capture it from some point other than Egypt (still, moving from Egypt is far easier; one'd think the French would bother securing such a potentially-important territory).

It would seem that there was some serious map redrawing at the point where Austria begun to disintegrate and immediately after its collapse. Correct? It would appear that Prussia generally out on top there.

Anyway, I might join (possibly as Prussia, or some other nation; I'd like a bit of more info on the governments and so forth first).

 

[Disenfrancised]

So it still happened?

Why would it not? The slavery and southern worries of Northern Power would still be there. The war was earlier (due to the admittence of northern states in former British Canada) and longer (as the North had less of an inudstrial and manpower advantage, and France and Britain intervined on Confederate and Union sides respectively) but less intense. However the Union still won eventually due to its advantages.

Also, British Sudan looks a bit suspicious, although I suppose its not impossible to capture it from some point other than Egypt (still, moving from Egypt is far easier; one'd think the French would bother securing such a potentially-important territory).

Revisions are ongoing (particularly in africa whihc was rather hastely done), French egypt is a quite recent occurence though.

It would seem that there was some serious map redrawing at the point where Austria begun to disintegrate and immediately after its collapse. Correct? It would appear that Prussia generally out on top there.

Yes and yes, I've got two large european wars going on post 1880.

Anyway, I might join (possibly as Prussia, or some other nation; I'd like a bit of more info on the governments and so forth first).

Joining as a nation? how strange , don't worry there will be backgrounds forthcoming in the couple of months till when I get round to modding this.

Prussia is quite similar to the OTL German Empire 1900-10, in the Prussian portions at least, though the King (not Kaiser) is weaker in relation to the Prussian Prime Minister, and the kingdom is somewhat more liberal overall (though still with high levels of militarism). Poland is in personal union with its own (subservient parliment), and the Baltic states are recently conquered territories

 

[Luckymoose]

@Dis, I would love Australia.

 

[jeps]

Portugal/Netherlands. Never played a nation like either of them.

 

[das]

Why would it not?

The balance will be much more against the South, so its possible that it simply wouldn't dare. Still, I see your point.

somewhat more liberal overall (though still with high levels of militarism).

Ah yes, the good old Nationalliberale Partei. Oui?