Alternate History Thread V

[Dachs]

1853-1856?: Seeing an oportunity gain more territory, The German Empire invades Russia durring the Crimean War. Austria is pushed into the war by German influence. At the end of the war parts of Russia comprised mainly of Poles are annexed by TGE. Austria is offered integration into TGE in a sort of Dual Monarchy, and they accept.

I don't quite get this, or rather why it happened, and I'm certainly sure that the Crimean War wouldn't have broken out as OTL if France has no reason to precipitate a crisis with Russia over the East - now the French need the Russians to help them fight this new German superstate.

And Dachs, I didn't didn't quite understand your comment in the other thread...

Which?

 

[Kraznaya]

fc, wut? Stronger Imperial Germany is generally devoid of MARXISTS or NAZIS.

 

[Dachs]

fc, wut? Stronger Imperial Germany is generally devoid of MARXISTS or NAZIS.

SPD and the Pan-German League don't count as Marxists and Nazis?

 

[das]

They're technically reasonably different variations on the same theme. SPD domination, dictatorial or democratic, is certainly very different from von Dunkelheit land. The Pan-German League has somewhat different rhetoric and support base, and a more navalistic outlook.

 

[Dachs]

Yeah. Plus, it's fc.

 

[das]

Anyway, uber-Poland's been done, though admittedly not as often as uber-Germany or uber-France. Hungary is also covered. I don't recall anyone doing an uber-Romania, though (the Ypsilanti Byzantine Empire doesn't count). Any ideas?

 

[Kentharu]

Uber Spain plz.

 

[qoou]

Anyway, uber-Poland's been done, though admittedly not as often as uber-Germany or uber-France. Hungary is also covered. I don't recall anyone doing an uber-Romania, though (the Ypsilanti Byzantine Empire doesn't count). Any ideas?

Uber Romania please???? I'd like to see my birthplace not epicly failing for once .

 

[Karalysia]

Uber-Switzerland has surely never been seen before.

 

[North King]

Uber-Switzerland has surely never been seen before.

Yes it has, actually.

 

[qoou]

Actually, how could you make a uber-Romania? They'd have to either attempt to assimilate the Slavs to their north, the Slavs to their south, the Finno-Ugrics to their west, or partially drain the Black Sea... That they have Transylvania alone is pretty surprising, and a testament to the effectiveness of invading countries after your allies have signed peace treaties with them on your behalf, and those countries have demobilized.

Unless you're talking about "Greater Romania", which is not that uber.

 

[bombshoo]

Uber Romania please???? I'd like to see my birthplace not epicly failing for once .

The problem here is that by the time some sort of "Romania" comes to exists, it is already surrounded by three or four great powers. Possibly some sort of Roman successor state based out of Dacia could work? Maybe a talented general flees there, declares himself king and builds up an empire in South-Central Europe?

 

[Dachs]

Uber-Galicia? Uber-Bavaria? (Well, there've probably been a few that're close. )

What time frame you looking at for that Roman-Dacian successor state type thingy, bombshoo?

 

[Kraznaya]

I need to see the Uber-Hungary timeline, guise.

 

[bombshoo]

Uber-Galicia? Uber-Bavaria? (Well, there've probably been a few that're close. )

What time frame you looking at for that Roman-Dacian successor state type thingy, bombshoo?

Some time between the Huns and the Avars seems to be best. It wouldn't really be Dacian or Vlach just geographically Romanian. It is the only time slot I can think of where no one close by was strong enough to oppose a strong state-like entity emerging there.

Edit: For a stronger Hungary what about giving Louis the Great a strong male heir who could continue to dominate Italy and hold off the Ottomans? I realize Hungary had some equally good kings after Louis, but if the period of anarchy following his death were used productively then maybe they could have cemented their positions outside of the immediate kingdom better.

 

[Kraznaya]

What about just giving Matthias a legitimate son?

 

[bombshoo]

What about just giving Matthias a legitimate son?

That might work to an extent, but I would think Ottomans would be gaining strength regardless of what Hungary was doing by that time and would eventually be coming for them. If you push the PoD back earlier however, Hungary might be able to challenge them better later.

 

[Kraznaya]

For it to work, I think Hungary needs to keep Vienna and Austria under its thumb like it was for a time under Matthias. Don't know how feasible that would be, however.

 

[North King]

For it to work, I think Hungary needs to keep Vienna and Austria under its thumb like it was for a time under Matthias. Don't know how feasible that would be, however.

Sure it's feasible. The Hapsburgs weren't nearly as powerful as Hungary at that time. Give the latter some continuity and more success in other spheres, and they'll do fine. I think they'd still probably lose against the Ottomans, unfortunately, but they might be able to minimize the damage.

 

[bombshoo]

Perhaps another Middle Eastern Power (Probably Mamluks because I don't think Persia is happening) or Crusader group being a bigger pain in the butt for the Ottomans could weaken them significantly and then butterflies could be used to explain the emergence of a strong male heir for Louis or even Matthias. However, I personally find the "let's gang rape the Ottomans" scenario a little overdone now so if we could just weaken them enough to make Hungary stronger I'd be for that.

Edit: Thinking about, really the best way to curb Ottoman strength actually seems to be to reduce their ridiculous manpower at this time compared to Europe. Maybe give them a nice plague, but it would be hard to make that not affect the Europeans.