Alternate History Thread V

Interesting. I think you killed the Maks awfully quickly, and overstated the power of the Epirotes and Ptolemaios' willingness and ability to prosecute the war with Gonatas beyond lending the Greek cities an occasional hand. Also, did the Qarthies even want Megale Hellas? Seems a bit beyond the pale for them. Things seem to have gone awfully easily for the Ptolies and the Qarthies. I don't really like how some people have managed to have awfully similar careers to OTL despite not being born yet at the PoD. :p

Nevertheless, this should be an interesting setup. What has happened with Diodotos/Theodotos in the East?

Yes, I can see most of those problems; the Maks didn't really die and Ptolemy son of Lysimachus wasn't just an Egyptian puppet though, and Antigonus was unpopular anyway after being defeated by the southern Greek states and the Epirots, and so Ptolemy had supporters in Macedonia anyhow. Ptolemy Philadelphus only really helped the Greek states a small amount more than he helped them in OTL; the expeditionary force he sent wasn't very big, merely just big enough to constitute the PoD. There was an element of palace coup in the Antipatrid retaking of power there too. Essentially, there wasn't much to be gained by any Macedonian aristocrat in backing up Antigonus when it was considerably simpler to back Ptolemy son of Lysimachus.

The Epirots are probably slightly overpowered, but Pyrrhus sets up a nice precedent, and, again, Alexander didn't really do much except distract the Romans. After all, he did get defeated. If he had managed to conquer Megale Hellas entirely, then he would definitely have been overpowered. :p Or very lucky.

Carthage didn't really want Megale Hellas, no, but then it was an unrivalled opportunity to pounce on Rome, and the city states in question conveniently pledged allegiance and accepted Carthaginian garrisons, so I doubt the Carthaginians would positively have abandoned Megale Hellas. The main result of their actions was the more useful effect of causing a general revolt of Rome's allies.

I don't know about Diodotus, but I hope you'll tell me. :p
 
The Long March is a myth.

Oh, it happened, at least. As for the actual details of what happened...

Could the other leaders, such as Zhu De, manage the Communist party to the extent of Mao?

Maybe. It was in the political maneuverings before, during and immediately after the Long March that Mao really cemented his authority. At the start of the Long March was not yet the central figure and if he had died then, there are plenty of other leaders who can fill the gap, people who were quite talented and assets to the Party before Mao purged them or otherwise subdued them. One might doubt however whether anyone of the other Party leaders could match Mao's ruthlessness, and unify the various cliques within the Communist movement. The CCP might end up like the KMT, with many factions constantly jostling for control, except the CCP was far, far smaller and weaker than the KMT at the time. So unless someone radical and charismatic and/or ruthless enough emerges in place of Mao, the CCP would either fade into relative irrelevance (at least for the time being) or be forced to compromise. At the moment, I can't think of one.

Would it not entirely impossible that the North would fall to the Japanese in the face of a weak Communist party, as opposed to the semi decent one it was OTL?

The KMT and NRA was always more important than the Communists in the Resistance War, and this is true in the North as well. And even if the Communists are weak/disunited it doesn't mean partisan activity would be any less of a bother for the Japanese. The partisans might even be doing better without the control from Yan'an and the recruitments and political campaigns they do on the side.

Also, Maoism would have never developed either, which is interesting.

Well, it wouldn't be called Maoism.
 
taillesskangaru said:
Oh, it happened, at least. As for the actual details of what happened...

Dude the 'Long March' is a myth. There was marching. Most of it wasn't long.
 
No, people don't mutiny that much over a flag, especially not in the 20th century. Sorry, but that is not remotely plausible.

To be fair, alot of Americans would be upset if the flag was changed
 
You join by posting your ideas, mang :)
 
Ever since reading Baburnama I can't help but wonder, what if Babur had been successful in Central Asia?

Babur of Ferghana manages to keep and hold Samarkaquad against the Uzbeks left leaderless by the death Shaibani Khan thanks to Safavid help after he accepts conversion to Shia Islam and becomes a vassal of Shah Ismail who sends him considerable forces of Qizilbash and monetary assistance.

He builds his power base in Central Asia and retakes Ferghana, and then smashes the Uzbek armies and drives them back to Bukhara. The Uzbeks in disarray both by the death of their leader, and their defeat at Samarkquand fall into infighting making them easy pray for Babur. Bukhara falls to his armies and his lands extend from Kabul, Samarkquand, Bukhara and Ferghana.

The Khan of Mougulistan becomes his vassal. Mindful of his ancestry as the heir of Timur and Genghis Khan, Babur now turns his ambition against India. The Delhi Sultanate is defeated and Delhi is plundered and Ibrahim Lodhi is killed. Baburs forces unwilling to stay in a land like India and with their pockets full of wealth pull back leaving a power vacuum in the north.

The Rajputs lead by Rana Sanga march to Delhi and seize it and for the first time in over 300 years a Hindu king sits on the throne of Delhi. Bengal seizes much of the Gangetic plain culminating in tension between Bengal and the Rajputs.

The Safavids meanwhile press the war against the Ottomans and at the Battle of Chaldrin with the assistance of the tens of thousands soldiers provided by Babur are able to win a phyrric victory over the Ottomans. Both powers agree to fix their borders with the Safavids gaining the majority of Mesopotamia though pulling out of Eastern Anatolia and Georgia. Safavid power now extends from the Cacuses, to Mesopatamia down the Lasha region of Arabia, though Babur now refuses to acknowledge the Safavids and proclaims the recreation of the Timurid Empire.

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The tension culminates in war as Safavid and Timurid armies meet at Herat resulting in a shattering Timurid victory which see's Shah Ismail killed in battle. The Ottomans eager to revenge themselves of the Safavid had dispatched mercenaries and gunners with muskets and cannons to the Timurids. Babur too perishes but his son Humayun proves himself a able successor and keeps the Timurid forces together and sweeps across Khorsan. The Safavids struggling to regroup fall back as much of Eastern Persia is taken by the Timurids.

In India the Rajputs and Bengalis fight open war as the Bengali forces advance on Delhi. The two armies meet at Agra with the Rajput forces smashing the Bengali army and driving them back. In a second battle at Varanasi and at Lucknow the Bengali forces are thoroughly defeated retreating back to Bengal only to hear the news that the Oriya kingdom has invaded and seized portions of southwestern Bengal. The Rajputs now secure in their domination of North India consolidate their gains.

Gujarat meanwhile wages war against the Rajputs inconclusively with border territory changing hands. The greatest Gujarati successes come however when a merchant ship from the Ottoman Empire arrives bearing muskets and cannons. Gujarati armies equipped with the new gunpowder weapons wage a devastating war on Sindh seizing Thatta and much of the head of the Indus river. Malwa too falls to the Gujarati forces becoming subsumed to the growing Gujarati might. Ahemdnagar is the next to feel the fury losing the key port of Surat and their coastline. Gujarat now stands poised to expand further.

Vijaynagar and Golkonda spar with Vijaynagar armies seizing Teligana and turning their ambitions toward Orissa.

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LittleBoots said:
read all three like i indicated last night.

1) (nitpicky I know): Given the "peter has spoken through leo, the matter is settled" thing in the council of Chalcedon (which doesn't appear to have changed) and Augustine's "roma locuta est, causa finita est" pronouncement, it seems unlikely to me that the bishop of rome would be okay with being obviously reduced (or relegated, whichever way you wanna call it) to "primus inter pares." so is it just political necessity or whassup?
Political necessity, more or less, done largely for the integrative effect on the eastern territories.
LittleBoots said:
2) wtfz is up w/ england and other places? I mean, I assume this will get fleshed out, I'm just curious.
I refuse to give a more in-depth discussion of the situation in Britain until such a time as we - I - can reasonably have an idea to what happened in OTL, for a point of comparison. So, probably nothing until the late sixth/early seventh century. I'm not going to speculate on the intricate political-military events that may have occurred when some of the best modern historians of the period aren't sure as to even how big the primary actors in the island were, much less as to what their interactions may have been.
LittleBoots said:
3) I was under the (admittedly novice) impression that one of the primary reasons the East was able to stay together was in large part due to the fact that they had the wealthiest regions, whereas the West was relatively poor. Is Africa rich enough to sustain them, and is Gaul rich enough to bother keeping? Educate me here, oh wise one!
Africa really is That Rich. It and the Iberian provinces basically subsidized the rest of the Empire before the fifth century crisis of OTL. Plenty of modern historians of the late Roman state and society - most popular and readable of these being Peter Heather - link the permanent loss of Africa to the collapse of the Western Roman state. I don't follow that narrative quite so closely - in OTL, the Empire attempted to launch a major offensive against the Visigoths in conjunction with Riothamus in 471, three years after the failed African Expedition, but Evareiks successfully concentrated against the two armies in turn on interior lines - but there's a lot of truth behind it.

The utility of Gaul is another problem. The narrative of the Western Empire's last century that I personally favor the most (Guy Halsall's) posits that the major problems started happening for the Empire during the 380s, when Gratianus removed the center of government back to Italy and began favoring the Italian senatorial and military aristocracy over the Gallic aristocracy. Hence the civil wars of Theodosius' reign, and then the crippling civil war of Constantinus "III" - the alienated Gallic aristocracy and military had lost their stake in Roman government, and were much more difficult to control. Halsall locates the beginning of the Empire's troubles in those civil wars with the Gallic interests, and traces much of the Empire's subsequent efforts to regain full control over its territories through a narrative that emphasizes efforts to conciliate the Gallic aristocracy. The Gallic nobility could still make emperors as late as the 450s, when Avitus II ascended to the throne on their backing - which by then included the prestige and power of the Visigoths. Anthemius and Maiorianus both included the Gallic aristocracy in their patronage packages upon ascending to the throne in their own turn.

So I think that even in the late fifth century, Gallic interests - especially southern Gallic interests - were a major part of the Western Roman big tent. Southern Gaul is still quite profitable in terms of direct taxation, and also for manpower. Remains to be seen, of course, if Gaul remains that important to the Roman emperors.

As to the East, well, historically the wealth of those territories did have an impact on their ability to remain cohesive. But even with that advantage, both Leon I and Zenon had huge issues keeping control of the state; Zenon in particular was forced out of the capital multiple times, Anatolia was a horrible mess, and the Balkans were never really under effective central control until the failure of Vitalianos' OTL revolt. Hence why I think it could have quite easily gone the other way with perhaps a more effective Basiliskos as an anti-Zenon contestant in the civil wars of the 480s (plus some extra butterfly pushing, of course).
 
Just an idea, but is anyone familiar with the Albany Plan. Does anyone think if it succeeded it could have been anything but ephmeral?
 
Roman Hegemony in the Mediterranean, 556-586.

“I’m sinking slowly, so hurry, hold me
Your hand is all I have to keep me hanging on.”
-Michelle Branch, All You Wanted

In the late fifth century, both halves of the Roman Empire were tottering from internal and external problems. But while the Western Empire successfully solved its issues, the Eastern Empire collapsed in a spectacular perfect storm of sectional revolts, religious tensions, leadership instability, and foreign attacks during the course of the 470s and 480s. In retrospect, the Eastern state was perhaps too diverse to survive for long; doubtless its proximity to the formidable Sāsānians forced it to deal with a far greater security threat than anything the West was faced with and predestined it to fail. At any rate, the Western Empire clawed its way back from the brink under a succession of competent leaders, despite periodic civil wars, and beginning in the 520s, launched a war of (re?)conquest in the eastern Mediterranean. In the middle of this new war, the Roman state was rocked with a succession crisis, but eventually managed to resolve it, renew the offensive, and make judicious alliances. By 555, the Roman state and its allies had recovered almost the entire Mediterranean littoral, save Egypt itself.

Despite these tremendous military and economic exertions, the Roman Empire was still more than a match for most of its foes. The Gepids were the first to find this out the hard way. Having resisted Rome’s attempts to evict them from south of the Danube by force, they soon stepped up their raids on Roman Thrace and Moesia. At first, results were mixed; in 556, a Gepid force was defeated by Roman troops, but the magister militum Constans was killed in the fighting. Two years later, a larger engagement saw Constans’ replacement, one Sarus, lead the Romans to a crushing victory at Kabyle. Now it was the Romans’ turn to raid from behind the relatively safe frontier of the Haimos Mountains. Also during the year 558, the Romans and their allies finalized the Eternal Peace with the Sāsānians, gaining a measure of security in Anatolia and Syria.

Of all Rome’s enemies, perhaps the most dangerous was Egypt. But even Egypt had its own problems. In the 530s and 540s, Alexandria had held sway over most of the eastern Mediterranean, but plague and civil war undid the Egyptian conquests. It was not until the 550s that the fratricide had ended. The man who had come out on top, Apollinarios, had ascended to the throne of a depopulated state with no foreign possessions, with ruined finances and a shrunken military to boot. The internal religious situation had been made worse if anything by the Council of Rome in 555, which had seen the ordination of a “shadow clergy” of non-Coptic officials, which were feared by most Egyptians as a fifth column for Rome. While the Chalkēdōnian priests were not a serious threat, they simply added to the mix of unstable elements in Egyptian society.

But Apollinarios was fixed on reclaiming past glories, and instead mounted a program of rearmament, planning initially to ally with the Sāsānians, Eternal Peace be damned. Despite it all, he believed Rome to be overstretched and doomed, and once he and his troops kicked in the door, well, you know the rest. Never mind, of course, that his increase in tax levies overburdened an already shrunken economy and helped force production away from cash crops back to grain, a trend that had been going on since the fall of the Eastern Empire. Never mind, of course, that his army and navy were full of officers who had supported his brother during the civil war, and were liable to betray his shaky government at a moment’s notice. Never mind, of course, that the plague was still sporadically breaking out in the Nile valley. And yet, none of these things brought Apollinarios down. Instead, he was murdered in a 559 palace intrigue by his sister Theodotē over what appears to have been a personal quarrel, and was replaced by her husband Taurinos. Taurinos ratcheted back the military buildup and instead began to pursue détente with the Romans.

Taurinos’ realignment was due in part to a rational calculation of the strength of Rome and its allies against Egypt and the few (if any) friends it could bring to a prospective contest. There were other factors at play, though, as well. Instead of focusing on the war-torn Mediterranean littoral for conquest, Taurinos believed that a more cost-effective solution would be to seek treasure in the Erythraian Sea, specifically trade with India. Part of this was motivated by missionary zeal: Taurinos saw India as not only a rich land of abundance but as a region ripe for Coptic missionaries to steal a march on the Nestorians and Chalkēdōnians and gain souls, the most valuable commodity of all. Indeed, another element in the Egyptian ruler’s thinking was a prospective alignment with miaphysite Aksum. The ultimate enemy was, of course, Sāsānian Iran, the chief waypoint for trade between India and the Mediterranean. Of course, if he were to try to spread that last bit around, people might actually think he was insane, and they wouldn’t start doing that for some years yet.

Of course, the problem of the chicken and the egg comes up nowadays. Taurinos’ decision to get involved more in the Erythraian littoral came in the context of increasing change within Arabia itself. Climatological changes in the earlier part of the century, which were only exacerbated by major volcanic activity in the 530s, were bringing many Arabian tribes to the brink of destruction, and helping shift the nature of political power in the peninsula. Some historians even trace these developments back as far as the migration of the Ġassānids in the previous century. Were the changes in Arabian society the cause for Taurinos’ decision, or did the Egyptians’ political and military involvement contribute more to the change than climate and internal forces? That’s an argument for the anthropologists and historiographers. What matters is that Taurinos and his ally, negusa nagast Ezana of Aksum, were not operating in a vacuum, and that there were certainly pull factors in addition to their pushing ones.

At any rate, Taurinos tended to keep his mystic miaphysitic anti-Sāsānian master plan to himself. Instead, he ordered relatively sensible initiatives, like infrastructural improvements at ports on the Erythraian Sea, as at Leukos Limēn, Berenikē, and Klysma. More warships were constructed, as well, although it would take a long time for the Erythraian flotilla to even remotely compare to the main Mediterranean fleet in size. For most of the 560s and 570s, the Aksumite fleet generally did the heavy lifting. It was just as well, for Egyptian assistance was helping Aksum realize ambitions it had held for a long time. Imperial Aksum had had control of parts of the Yemen for centuries, and had exerted major influence in the other kingdoms of the region. Himyar, the largest of these, had even become something of an Aksumite protectorate in the late fifth century. In the 530s, though, Aksum’s power had been shaken by the revolt of a usurper, Qays bin Khuza’i, who had adopted something of a militant Judaism and overthrown the puppet ruler of Himyar. After an initial half-hearted military intervention was turned back, Qaysite Himyar had been left more or less alone for two decades.

With the Egyptians there to back them up, the Aksumites now had the cash on hand and the ideological support for a war in Himyar. Reports were quickly circulated about Jewish atrocities and persecutions against good God-fearing miaphysite Christians at the hands of Qays and his minions. True or not, they certainly hadn’t been worth mentioning over the last twenty years. The contemporary Egyptian church chronicler Bishop Philēmōn of Boubastos repeated the stories more or less uncritically, for one. If there was a real persecution, it might be seen in the light of an erosion of domestic support for Qays’ rule, or perhaps as a knee-jerk internal-security measure in the face of the Adulis-Alexandria axis. At any rate, a joint Aksumite-Egyptian task force linked up off Adulis in 563, financed by Egyptian silver, and prepared to invade. Qays and his Himyarites tried to intimidate the allies into withdrawing by sacking the Aksumite stronghold of al-Ukhdud in southern Ma’in, but that just provided grist for the Coptic propaganda mill. Assisted by the local populace, the allied expeditionary force landed in Arabia later in the year and ground the Himyarite military down to nothing. After five years, Qays was finally murdered by some of his retainers, whereupon most Himyarite resistance collapsed. Aksum set up its own viceroyalty instead, under the control of the native-born official Yazīd ibn al-Azd.

The war in Himyar was dwarfed, however, by more momentous events happening in the Mediterranean. Rome had continued to exert its supreme power throughout the 550s and the early 560s. Sarus in the Balkans stood out in particular, first warring with the Gepids and then agreeing to a truce with them in 561 in order to jointly attack the Avars. But all of this fighting tended to be raiding and relatively low-level, endemic fighting, not a major exertion of power for any of the groups involved. Further east, the Sāsānian peace continued to hold; Ardašīr III had decided that the qans of Central Asia merited more attention from his army than did Goths and Ġassānids, and continued to prey on the sad corpse of the once-mighty Hayāṭila qaganate. In the north, Wittereiks, the new Gothic comes Orientis, picked these years to campaign against the Pontic warlord Kōnstas, which the Goths did with some military success.

External calm belied a roiling sea of internal intrigue within the empire itself. The elites of the empire were greatly concerned about what would happen when Augusta Serena died. She was nearing her fifties in 560, with no living children from her marriage. She had refused to remarry, on the reasonable grounds that a spouse would challenge her hold on power. For a similar reason, she was holding off on adopting anybody as a possible heir. To make things worse, most of the men who could reasonably be considered a potential successor were dying off or retiring. The civil services genius and part-time philosopher Boethius had died early in the 550s. Theodoros, the corrector totius Orientis, could conceivably have served as a power-broker (he was pretty much ineligible to rule, being a eunuch and all) before he too died of old age in 559. And Litorius, Serena’s old partner in crime (some might say that literally), who had been her most trusted servant for decades, retired to his Iberian estates in 561, far from the center of power in Ravenna, effectively ending his active role in any succession debate.

Instead, a series of new men were rising to the forefront. These administrators and officials had ascended to positions of authority under Serena’s tutelage in the 540s and 550s, and soon began jockeying for position themselves. None of them enjoyed the supreme military authority that Litorius and Theodoros had had, much less the power of a Stilicho or an Ætius. Instead, power was divided among several top generals in command of various field armies. Sarus in the Balkans, Probus in the Gallic provinces, Valentinus in Italy, and Exuperantius in Illyria all had command of a large group of comitatenses, centrally managed by the Empress herself. While this prevented any men less trustworthy than Litorius from reaching a position wherefrom they were likely to overthrow her, it created a frighteningly level playing field for the post-Serena age. A civil war between these men could be long, bloody, and dangerous, inviting a rerun of the fifth century crisis all over again. All of Serena’s accomplishments, military, economic, and political, stood to be totally undone if she made any wrong moves in her twilight years.

It was perhaps good for her chances of being canonized that Serena seemed to be turning soft in her later years, but good for little else. The ruthless drive that had kept her on the pinnacle of power during some of the Empire’s darkest years was abating, her ability to judge character seemingly erratic. According to the historian Fulgentius, machinations by one Castinus, an officer in the Italian præsental field army that was discontented with his commander Valentinus, led to Valentinus being accused of attempting to poison the Empress’ meals in the spring of 563. This Agrippinan incident is perhaps a little too on the unbelievable side; Fulgentius copied the passage from Suetonius involving Locusta’s poisoning of Claudius I verbatim, for one, and for another, Fulgentius is generally opposed to Castinus, based on his later activities, and lurid stories involving that officer should probably be taken with a grain of salt. Whatever the actual reason, Valentinus was removed from his command, made a bishop, and sent off to Sardinia to minister to the flock there. This relatively light punishment was like waving a red flag in front of a bull; would-be conspirators saw the easy treatment Valentinus got for allegedly making an attempt on Serena’s life as a sign of weakness.

Five months after Valentinus was exiled, Serena fell ill and went into a coma, perhaps the result of a real poisoning or perhaps just morbid coincidence. She never regained consciousness and died before designating a successor in the waning months of 563. By then the pieces had already begun to move on the chessboard. One of the members of the ceremonial guards of the scholæ palatini, a senatorial-rank aristocrat by the name of Rufius Aconius Catullinus, produced a specious document of adoption and claimed the title of Cæsar before Serena had even died. Conveniently, he was allied to Castinus, whose troops backed Catullinus up in front of the Senate. In return, Castinus was installed at the head of the præsental army. When Serena finally died, his troops raised Catullinus on their shields and acclaimed him as Imperator.

Catullinus had Italy firmly under control, but his government was soon opposed by Probus and the Gallic field army. With the support of Gallic magnates and the Thuringians, Probus denounced the adoptive document as a forgery and was proclaimed Emperor in his own turn outside of Lugdunum. Exuperantius, commander of the outsize Illyrian army, quickly patched up a truce with the Avars in Pannonia and threw his own hat in the ring. Sarus, further east, preferred to play emperormaker instead, and began talks under the table with Wittereiks and the Goths to decide which of the three factions to back. Even though he probably had a better imperial pedigree than any of the other generals – having married into the eastern, Greek, branch of the Procopii – he was old enough to not want to stick his neck out too far.

In the winter months of 563-4, Catullinus made sure of his control of Africa by installing his allies in the civil and military administration of the territory before news of Serena’s death got out. Iberia was more problematic. Litorius, at his estate near Emerita, denounced the ersatz adoption and threw his support to Probus, who had been his executive officer during the war with Verenianus. Before he could reach the Gallic army, though, he was assassinated on Catullinus’ orders. Catullinus also bought the Vascones’ loyalty by making vague promises of autonomy that Probus, reliant on the support of Gallic landowners, couldn’t make. Vascones fanned out into the passes of the Pyrenæi, raiding heavily in Iberia and southern Gaul. The comes Hispaniæ, Theodosiolus, organized defense forces against this series of incursions with the backing of the civilian administration in the peninsula. While not declaring for anyone in particular, Theodosiolus didn’t take any orders from the government at Ravenna, and Iberia became a closed theater for the first period of the civil war.

While Sarus tried to deal with the Vascones and with the Thuringians, Exuperantius stole a march on everybody in the late winter of 564 by cracking the Iulian Alpine passes at Iulia Æmona through a combination of skillful feints and surprise, even though the passes were still partially snowbound. He and his field army, augmented by Heruli recruits, were able to descend to the northern Italian plain without serious fighting. Their first clash with Castinus’ præental army happened at Acelum, north of Patavium, where miscommunication turned what might have been a devastating flank attack into a precipitate Catullinan retreat down the Via Æmilia. Round two came at Hostilia on the Padus. Here, the fighting degenerated into a straight-up brawl, where the Illyrian troops’ experience and high morale helped to give them an edge over Castinus’ men. The præsental army fell back into Ravenna, hotly pursued by Exuperantius and his men. As the Illyrians laid siege to the city, hammering their way through the poorly maintained walls with the support of the Adriatic fleet, Castinus murdered his erstwhile patron and threw the doors open to Exuperantius and his men. Within three days, the Senate in Rome had received news of the victory and duly acclaimed Exuperantius. Within five, Castinus’ throat had been slit. A man who betrays one Emperor, after all…

The raw deal Castinus got served notice to Sarus, sitting on the fence in Constantinople: Exuperantius couldn’t be trusted. Probus took the hint, too. Exuperantius’ four-month blitzkrieg had caught the Gallic army with its pants down, but the manner of the victory had gained the latecomers the support of the sizable Eastern fleet and army. The Ravenna government reinforced the point…uh…pointedly by having the warlord-cum-monk Valentinus executed on trumped-up charges of conspiracy at Caralis in Sardinia. A few weeks after the monk was murdered, the Gallic field army, bolstered by Thuringian auxiliaries, crossed the Alpine passes and camped at Segusio. A month later, Sarus led an expeditionary force across the Adriatic and landed at Hydruntum. In September, Exuperantius’ general Maurocellus clashed with Probus’ army in two battles near Novaria, drawing the first and decisively losing the second. But during the late fall, as Probus was held up in the siege of Mediolanum, the Exuperantine troops shifted further south and battled Sarus and his Eastern troops to a bloody draw at Ergitium, in the shadow of Mount Garganus.

When the contest was renewed in the late winter of 564-5, Exuperantius’ armies collapsed on both fronts. In the south, the Exuperantine general Heraclianus attacked Sarus’ army at Sipontum, and in the morning seemed to have the Easterners on the run, but Sarus’ personal leadership rallied his troops and won them the second round in the afternoon. Further north, the collapse was even more apparent. Maurocellus attempted to lead a relief of Mediolanum but his army was trapped against the Lambrus and forced to surrender. While Probus finalized the conquest of Italia Annonaria, his subordinate Lagodius pushed on to Ravenna. The city, whose defenses had not been improved in decades (much less since Exuperantius knocked part of the walls down in the siege of 564), presented little obstacle, but Exuperantius himself was able to flee by sea to his headquarters at Salona, where he vowed to continue the fight.

While preparing to pursue Exuperantius across the Adriatic, Sarus and Probus had to come to terms somehow. After a conference in the city of Faventia in the summer of 565, Sarus agreed to recognize Probus’ imperium, provided the younger man marry Sarus’ daughter Anastasia and retain Sarus himself in the tried and true position of corrector totius Orientis. Several of Sarus’ allies and subordinates were given positions in the imperial government, especially in Africa, where they replaced Catullinus’ lackeys. Probus, who has gone down in history as Probus II (the first of that name having reigned in the third century), stayed behind in Italy to deal with the flotsam of civil war, while Sarus returned across the Adriatic to confront Exuperantius.
 
Exuperantius was not Sarus’ only problem. The Avars had seized their chance while Roman armies were absent on the frontier. In 564 they had dealt a series of staggering blows to the Gepids. Most Gepids joined up with the Avars wholesale. Many of the rest flooded south into Roman Thrace, engaging in the usual banditry and pillage. With Exuperantius in control of the Dalmatian coast, there was nothing to prevent the Avars from destroying most of the Roman military bases in Pannonia and Moesia, which they began to do with frightening efficiency. Sarus was forced to relegate Exuperantius to the back burner for the time being while he scraped together troops to deal with the crisis in the eastern Balkans. Lagodius, in command of other troops, would have to bar the door into Italy itself and deal with the Avars as best he could.

Here was where Sarus’ Gothic connections came in handy. During the autumn of 565, Gothic auxiliaries arrived in Greece and Thrace, effectively aiding the Romans in their attempts to manage the Gepid migrants. With Gothic troops helping hold the line further east, Sarus managed to gather enough soldiers to make a surprise winter assault on the island of Brattia in Dalmatia, which succeeded in wresting it from Exuperantine hands. From Brattia, imperialist ships could blockade Exuperantius’ capital of Salona and even assault the harbor. The Roman fleet couldn’t assault the city until spring arrived, and by then an Avar army had reached Salona. Exuperantius ordered his fleet to make a forlorn-hope attack on Brattia, which failed. He then decided to try to negotiate with the Avars and use them as his vehicle back to power, relying on his connections from his previous control of the Pannonian army. To forestall this, some of his officials assassinated him and handed the city over to Sarus’ men in the hope that they would save it from the Avars. With the help of the imperial troops, the Salonans successfully resisted Avar assaults until the Avar army was forced to retire into the Illyrian hinterland.

As Sarus slowly restored equilibrium in the east, the brief scare in the west sputtered out. The Vascones were persistent, but without any support from any other like-minded groups, they were slowly ground down by attrition until they reshuffled their leadership and came to terms with the imperial authorities and were returned to their former haunts on the Cantabrian coast. As for Theodosiolus, he was more than willing to work with Probus’ government, and soon the whole Iberian situation returned to a semblance of normality.

The civil war had been exceptionally bloody as far as fratricidal contests go, but at least it had been mercifully short – at least, compared to earlier civil wars. The only real security breach had been in the Balkans, and they weren’t really worth much anyway, especially the parts that the Avars had overrun. Roman troops still held the coastline of Dalmatia, the vital pass at Iulia Æmona, and the territories south of the Haimos Mountains. What had been lost was strategic depth, and that could be recovered with vigorous campaigning, especially against an enemy like the Avars that could not easily hold territory in rough terrain where Roman comitatensian heavy infantry was dominant. Already the Romans were learning from Avar technical advantages, copying even the most minor of devices, like the stirrup that made it easier to mount heavy cavalry and which improved lateral stability. Piece of cake…right?

Egypt had, unlike the Avars, failed to make capital out of Rome’s temporary insanity. Also unlike the Avar qagan, Taurinos didn’t really want to, either. It wasn’t as though Roman power was really holding the Egyptians back from a war on, say, the Ġassānids – it was the Ġassānids themselves who were doing that, along with Egypt’s interests elsewhere. And what could be gained from a direct attack on Rome anyway? Of course, none of these arguments made much of an impression on the Egyptian army, which mutinied at Rinokoloura in 565 out of impotent rage at Taurinos’ persistent refusal to do anything about the Roman civil war. The mutiny was put down, but it helped to indicate how shaky Taurinos’ throne really was. Without martial victory to help cement his prestige, his image remained that of the war-shy usurper, dabbling in useless nonsense in the far south. The war with Qays and his adherents failed to capture the imagination of the Egyptian educated classes and military, especially since Aksumite soldiers were doing most of the fighting (on the Egyptian payroll!) and gaining most of the treasure.

Nevertheless, with the rebellion put down, Egypt’s power in the southern seas continued to grow. After the war in Himyar was concluded in 567, Egyptian fleets constructed at Berenikē and Leukos Limēn began making appearances in other parts of the Erythraian littoral. During the 560s, they had a relatively easy job of it, since they could coast on Aksumite naval support. By the 570s, Egypt’s fleets were powerful enough to handle most opponents in the area, and started making their presence felt. Many of the larger tribal agglomerations in the Hijaz began to break up around this time; whether Egyptian military intervention was the main catalyst or merely a secondary one is still hotly debated among people who have time to do that sort of thing.

Most of that Egyptian influence and power was focused on the north-central Hijazi town of Yaṯrib in the 570s. Yaṯrib, home to several large Jewish families, was ruled by the Banū Qurayẓa, who were already trying to reinforce their tenuous grip on dominance in the region by reemphasizing religious unity. At the same time, the Qurayẓa were attempting to play a double game between the Ġassānids and Egyptians. It was essentially the perfect situation for a jolly war; whether it came about because of the religious differences (as the aforementioned Bishop of Boubastos would say) or because of the geopolitical issues at stake. (Not that it really had to be one or the other. You get it.) In 571, the Banū Kilab, a Qurayẓa client, attacked and annihilated a small group of the Banū Ġatafan while they were meeting with Egyptian emissaries. This turned the indirect political struggle into a very direct military one. The War of Yaṯrib, fought mostly by various Hijazi tribes on each side, dragged on for eight years, until the Egyptians finally committed a few thousand professional troops to the struggle and successfully sacked the town in 579. In the wake of the victory, some of the Egyptian-allied tribes settled on the site.

Probus II’s Rome spent most of the 560s recovering shaken stability. The arrangement with Sarus ended up proving to have been universally successful. After successfully holding the line against the Avars and recovering some territory in the Dalmatian hinterland, Sarus himself died in 568, removing a potential threat to the Emperor’s power. There appears to have been no suspicion of foul play at the time, and Sarus’ daughter, Augusta Anastasia, seems not to have held her father’s death against her husband either. Unlike Serena, Probus had legal heirs that survived childhood, the eldest of whom, Constantius, was born perhaps a year after Exuperantius’ defeat. This too helped to contribute to a general sense of stability. In something of a revival of the Procopian age, a new series of buildings sprang up in Roman Italy, the beneficiaries of state monies. Probus also constructed a palace in Arelate in an effort to make nice to the Gallic interests that had made his career. He barely spent any time there, but it was the thought that counted.

Gaul was heating up in the late 560s and early 570s as Roman-Thuringian disputes took center stage. Badereiks, the first generally recognized Thuringian king, had been quite willing to work together with the Romans, especially with Probus, who had gained the assistance of Thuringian auxiliaries in the civil war. Not so with Badereiks’ son Pisen, who had a more confrontational view of the Roman-Thuringian relationship and soon began maneuvering for control. He sparked a border war with Rome in 571 when he conquered the Saxons of Armorica and installed a subking to rule them. The fighting ended with the Roman-Thuringian borders essentially at the status quo ante bellum, but it was only a taste of things to come. More fighting in the 570s resulted in Thuringian arms subduing more Armorican territory from local bacaudæ. Pisen also campaigned beyond the Rhine. In 576 he won a major battle against a group of allied kings in what the Romans called Germania Magna and extended his theoretical overlordship to the Elbe. A second victory, recorded as being over the Danes, was won the following year, although the circumstances of this last contest are not well known. Yet no all-out conflict ensued between the Thuringians and Rome. For one thing, the Romans were simply too busy with Avars and Mauri to deal with an apocalyptic struggle in northern Gaul. Pisen himself shied away from a knock-down fight because, frankly, there were easier targets elsewhere.

Probus II died of the dropsy after an unusual binge drinking session in Mediolanum in 578, and the throne passed to his young son Constantius IV. Constantius was still several years away from being old enough to reign, and as per his father’s will, his mother Anastasia assumed regency powers. Perhaps she felt as though it would be relatively easy for her to stay on top of things, with the legitimate emperor in hand and with the recent example of Serena as a long-lasting sole female ruler to ward off complaints. She did not reckon with the armies of the Latin West, led by commanders who thought Probus himself had been all right but considered his Greekling wife to be an unwelcome limit on their power. Anastasia lacked allies, and was forced to step down within three months by the magister militum præsentalis, Candidianus, who replaced her as regent. The general wasn’t quite sure what to do with the Augusta herself, and eventually decided to keep her around in Ravenna, but to limit her access to her son.

Candidianus was faced with a major eastern crisis at the very start. The Sāsānians had been unusually quiet for the balance of the 560s and much of the 570s. Šāh-an-šāh Ardašīr III, despite his age, had led victorious campaigns out into the wastes of Central Asia for impressive gains. The Hayāṭila cadaver had been raided for manpower and plunder, the newcomer Tiele had been taught a lesson in Xvārazm, and Iranian control had been extended to the Syr Darya. Yet even then, he was more than willing to get his hands dirty in Syria and Anatolia after a poorly understood incident on the Euphrates that sparked a war between Goths and Sāsānians in 580. The wily ērān-spāhbed Hormizd of the Ispahbudhān led an army across the Euphrates the following year and annihilated a Gothic army at Hierapolis, where battle-hardened Iranian dehkāns rode roughshod over the Gotho-Roman infantry. Sāsānian troops were there to stay this time, too, as they ground Gothic resistance down by besieging and capturing fortress after Syrian fortress. In 583 they captured Antiocheia, two days after Ardašīr III died peacefully in his sleep at his retreat near Dastkart. His son and successor, Yazdgard IV, made it clear that he would stay the course.

The Goths had been bleating for assistance since 581, but it was only after the fall of Antiocheia that Candidianus’ government took action. A scratch force comprised of detachments from the eastern and Pannonian armies under the command of one Priscus marched east from Nikomēdeia to bolster the Goths defending the Taurus passes. At the same time, the Ġassānids were supposed to attack Syria from the south. But surprisingly, the Laḫmid ruler Na’mān ibn ‘Amr led a massive raid on Ġassānid Palæstina and won a major battlefield victory near Gerasa, making a Ġassānid expedition against Sāsānian Syria impossible. (The Greek chronicler Pantaleon claims that the news of the defeat killed the Ġassānid king al-Mundhir, but a more recent analysis places al-Mundhir’s death a year later.) At any rate, for the time being, the Ġassānids were out of the game, and the Romano-Gothic army was alone.

Despite numerical inferiority, Priscus and the Gothic comes Orientis Wittereiks won the first round against the Iranian armies, successfully isolating a reconnaissance in force at Adata in 584. Bad weather halted other Sāsānian attempts to crack the Taurus range that year. But during the intervening winter, the Gotho-Roman armies were suddenly faced with impending disaster. The Pontic warlord Kōnstas had been roughly handled years before by Gothic troops, but his successor Nikētas was a more formidable war leader, and more importantly, was able to capitalize on Gothic distraction. In the early spring of 585, Pontic troops swarmed out of northern Anatolia and overran Roman Bithynia, which had been denuded of troops to fight the Sāsānians and Avars. Wittereiks led his troops northward in an effort to save his capital, Pessinous, but was defeated and killed by Nikētas on the Sangarios River in June.

Meanwhile, Priscus was overwhelmed by simultaneous Sāsānian attacks through several passes. His army fell back and regrouped at Tyana, where Priscus learned of the severe Gothic defeats in the north. Confronted with a choice between losing Gothic Anatolia and losing his army, Priscus opted to fall back to Ionia and the coast, abandoning the Goths to their fate. But instead of heading to the southern coast, where his army could easily take ship and reach western Anatolia with time to spare, Priscus marched his army directly across the Anatolian plateau. Unusually poor weather delayed the march even further, allowing Pontic troops to catch up and begin harassing the strung-out Roman infantry. Near Synnada, Nikētas contrived an ambush that eviscerated Priscus’ exhausted troops. A second battle at Apameia a few weeks later finished the Romans off. Priscus himself narrowly escaped with a few thousand troops to try to direct the defense of Ionia.

At the same time as these Anatolian disasters, Roman arms suffered a series of defeats in the Balkans, as well. Candidianus had, it will be remembered, pulled troops from Pannonia and Thrace to bolster the Goths’ defenses. Without that extra manpower, the Romans’ extended outposts in the mountains were isolated and vulnerable. Worse, Rome’s ability to manage the frontier was in serious jeopardy. Movements of peoples that could be easily managed by Roman troops in times of relative strength suddenly became threats to Roman security. It was in the context of the general Roman manpower hemorrhage of the 580s that the great Sclavenian migrations first became noticeable. It has been cogently argued that the initial disturbance of the Avars on the Pannonian Plain was what first stirred up Sclavene migration, although others locate it in the context of economic developments in their supposed heartland (which is an ideological football anyway) or in “pull” factors relating to depopulation in other regions. But even with these factors contributing to migratory developments, Roman troops in the Balkans were able to manage the migrations, kill Sclavene raiders, and settle the rest in such a way as to minimize their ability to remain politically cohesive. When those troops left for various reasons, the door was opened to the Sclavenian migrants. Their numbers will never be calculated, and could range from less than ten thousand overall to nearly a hundred thousand people, but either way they were a joker in the deck, an additional complicating factor for any effort by Roman authorities to restore control.

By 586, Candidianus’ government was extremely shaky, and the actual Emperor, Constantius IV, was more than ready to seize power. He had an excellent relationship with the comes domesticorum, Saturninus, and with several officers in the præsental army; the magister officiorum, Petrus Iunius Palladius, was also close to him. In April, news of a defeat against the Mauri in Africa reached Ravenna, and Constantius acted. After a climactic verbal confrontation with Candidianus, imperial troops arrested the regent and imprisoned him; he died in prison under highly suspicious circumstances a few weeks later. His fall left the young Constantius in sole rule of a tottering empire. Defenses in the Balkans were collapsing, the Sāsānians and Nikētas were conquering the East, and by the end of the year a pro-Candidianus rebellion had erupted in Gaul and Iberia. Rome was on the brink of financial, political, and military collapse. No matter what Constantius accomplished during his reign, the hegemony that Serena had established over Mare Nostrum had ended.

OOC: I have been waiting to post this update for a long time. That probably shows, since it kind jumps all over the place. Hopefully it’s still readable. Comments and constructive criticism would be greatly appreciated!

Spoiler Europe, the Middle East, and North Africa, 586 :
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dachs, your story is.. well.. a bit long. i cant read it at 5 in the morning. still its obviously much better than my attempt.
 
20 minutes? for the whole concept, the butterfly effect, the extreme amount of detail? plus to type it out?

i made two attempts of the Byzantine Empire (yes, its an empire now) both of which apparently sucked, in the eyes of other people.

what people do not understand is that i literally can not use the butterfly effect. i mean, would Byzantium's continued survival *really* change the entire world? from the way i see it, nothing will change. much. Russia would still try to expand into Anatolia and the Bosporus, there would still be an accidental discovery of the new world to get the trade away from Byzantium, and so on.
 
20 minutes? for the whole concept, the butterfly effect, the extreme amount of detail? plus to type it out?

i made two attempts of the Byzantine Empire (yes, its an empire now) both of which apparently sucked, in the eyes of other people.

what people do not understand is that i literally can not use the butterfly effect. i mean, would Byzantium's continued survival *really* change the entire world? from the way i see it, nothing will change. much. Russia would still try to expand into Anatolia and the Bosporus, there would still be an accidental discovery of the new world to get the trade away from Byzantium, and so on.

Yes. Dachs, along with the rest of us, are gods who walk the halls of CFC gifting the peasantry with tales of divergence.

As for the Byzantines surviving it would certainly have massive effects on the world. You just don't know enough history to really grasp the importance of such a change.
 
I don't like it when people kick puppies.
 
i know enough about Byzantium to make a couple educated guesses.

in the most simple terms, Byzantium surviving would result in:

1. increased turkish settlement in Central Asia, and probably Iran as well.
2. a slight to massive increase in orthodoxy, at the expense of Islam or Catholicism, and some other religions.
3. most countries and royal families would be different to some degree. the Austrian Empire wouldn't be there for example.
4. the world may be less advanced. less warfare.
5. most of the wars would be completely different. sort of. we all know Prussia isn't gonna be a peaceful economic power just cause Byzantium is there.
 
i know enough about Byzantium to make a couple educated guesses.

in the most simple terms, Byzantium surviving would result in:

1. increased turkish settlement in Central Asia, and probably Iran as well.
2. a slight to massive increase in orthodoxy, at the expense of Islam or Catholicism, and some other religions.
3. most countries and royal families would be different to some degree. the Austrian Empire wouldn't be there for example.
4. the world may be less advanced. less warfare.
5. most of the wars would be completely different. sort of. we all know Prussia isn't gonna be a peaceful economic power just cause Byzantium is there.


Austria wouldn't be there? I can deal with everything else but this. I just can't live without the Osterreich mang.
 
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