Anyone here know anything about...Wood Fired Pizza Ovens?

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I'm building one. Thought if there was any interest we could share ideas and photos of our works in progress or completed ovens and pizza parties. Also looking for different pizza recipes if you've got some. I love pizza. Pizza is wonderful. Pizza is like a house, its built from the ground up. I figure if you can't make a delicious cheese pizza, aka Margarita Pizza, then you might as well not add any toppings until you figure it out. Like a house, build a good foundation and work up. Pizza with motz cheese and sauce and crust, a few spices, toasted to perfection and served hot... man, I'm getting hungry. Lets talk ovens and recipes!

First, is there any interest?

Saved for the future...

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B12WsCOCGAvKMm9nMWtPaHRkN3c/view
 
Well, the oven itself is to be built out of red clay fire bricks. Only fire bricks can stand the exposure to direct flame in a 750F degree oven. So far the base is done, wanna see? Of course you do...;) It can be helpful to post because I might just lean something and others might too.

How I spent my day...


9" of pumice which provides insulation and structural strength with perlite poured in around it. We used most of the 35 cement sacks of lava chunks (pumice) that we brought home from Camiguin Island right here. Perlite is a refractory insulator I found here. So, a mix of 2 refractory insulators.



Set cardboard on top of the perlite which is is light and fluffy and I didn't want to take a chance on the floor pour screwing it up.



The mold for the pour is set first time. The pour extends out 4" past the brick, then there's the 4" brick, then the oven. So the oven open space interior will start 8" inside the form, and the thickness of the pour and flat laid 2" brick higher.



Pictured is Fidel, our excellent carpenter.

Once the pour was on I realized the door was too small. Dell did a quick redo on the form and the pour continued. Since the floor is somewhat isulated by using perliite I don't really care if its too big. When I climb up there and lay out the oven I want some space to play with.



Here's the floor at the door out to its full size. Some of those metal bars will be cut, others will be part of the onion dome. We're building an onion dome surround to contain the perlite insulation and just make it look good. Its to be modeled after an onion dome in Portugal. So, 2 domes. One brick oven dome then an exterior onion dome.



Dell is an excellent mason too.

Minus 8" remember, or 16" total. I made the pour wider than the oven to spread the weight of the brick oven load wider, to more pumice. The pumice is connected piece by piece to the poured floor at the bottom. Below that is a series of decorative structural concrete columns which carry it to the floor. Another "what's it made of Cheezy... Its 3 perlite, 1 portland, 1 clay, 1 lime and 1/2 silicate, my own recipe.



So you see the floor pour on the left where the oven dome will sit God willing. On the right you see the start of the base of the onion dome and the metal bar sticking out. From there on up the onion will be refractory and the bar will be wrapped in paper and tape to give it some expansion room. Between the oven dome and the onion wall will be 12" of perlite insulation, loose. We'll build the oven first and then the onion and then pour perlite down between them. Then we'll start the warm up process which cooks the water out over a week. Then we'll cook a few pizzas.

 
Then we'll start the warm up process which cooks the water out over a week

Why do you want to cook the water out?

You should be trying to keep the water in the concrete as long as possible as it will increase the strength.
 
Portland cement breaks down at high temps. Its there to hold things together during the build. On the other hand lime and clay become stronger with heat. So as the cement drops the ball the clay etc pick it up.

Water turns to stream, steam cracks stuff. Nothing fuglier than an oven into which you've poured money and time than a big crack down the side. Such a crack can never be really fixed, just temporarily patched again and again.
 
You can always make an oven out of brick, but I don't know how to build one.
 
You would be better leaving it for a few weeks to cure. Most of the water will join chemically with the cement or evaporate by then.
 
I understand what you're saying but there are other ingredients in the mix as well, like red clay. Slow firing the method commonly done for these ovens, and for good reason. If it was left to dry longer and then I made a big fire in it, then it would still likely crack.

Its okay Takhisis, I know how to build one. :)
 
Had 4 days work this week and here's whats to show for it...

First course...



I set the first 2 bricks for the door opening in place and scribed around them while Sho set bricks.



 
We built steps out gravel bags. The gravel is for the onion dome when we get to it. Eventually there will be a raised tiled platform.



There's 16" of insulation space between brick dome and onion dome.



Four courses 1st day for Sho.

 
Fishermen return from a nights fishing.



Dolores walks on the beach while Augustine throws rocks in the water and Abby hunts for shells.



Progress progressed. The doorway is getting set. Monday we'll start in on the arches maybe. Maybe one more course, I dunno.

 
This is about where we stand now after 4 days. The hole in the floor brick is for the dead center string which tells us what we need to know to set bricks domewise.

The onion will run up to the brick and that's where we'll have a large medieval pointed obtuse arch to carry the onion over the opening.



At the weak point where the dome meets the wall we'll mortar in some pumice and carry that support past the poured floor. An insulating, refractory, flying buttress if you will.

Well that's it for now. More next week barring earthquakes, typhoons, weeks of blackout, volcanic explosions etc. :)
 
Well, the oven itself is to be built out of red clay fire bricks. Only fire bricks can stand the exposure to direct flame in a 750F degree oven. So far the base is done, wanna see? Of course you do...;) It can be helpful to post because I might just lean something and others might too.

Minus 8" remember, or 16" total. I made the pour wider than the oven to spread the weight of the brick oven load wider, to more pumice. The pumice is connected piece by piece to the poured floor at the bottom. Below that is a series of decorative structural concrete columns which carry it to the floor. Another "what's it made of Cheezy... Its 3 perlite, 1 portland, 1 clay, 1 lime and 1/2 silicate, my own recipe.

Interesting that you chose these substances. I've seen pizza ovens made out of cob (similar to adobe) which can also tolerate the high temperatures with ease, and would not require the "baking out the moisture" period as that will come out naturally on its own, although you might still have to deal with sealing the outside of the oven from the rain.

However, that said, it looks like it's going to be a gorgeous, solid oven!
 
I've not studied cob too much Cheezy. In the time I did spend I didn't see one this large. Also, 750 degrees will destroy a lot of stuff, doubt they burn them that hot, don't know though. We hope to cook a small pig in it and use it as the oven for a specialty pizza place someday.

Have considered building a cob oven at my bro in law's house so he could build them for profit. Here's a vid on cob. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2YdW8JFhjLk

Thanks for your kind words! :)
 
I hope you are well aware that many us users here will want to come over for a pizza as soon as it is finished. :)
What kind of wood do you plan to use for heating this oven?
 
'Will want'? I thought you'd got your invitation already. ;)
 
I hope you are well aware that many us users here will want to come over for a pizza as soon as it is finished. :)
What kind of wood do you plan to use for heating this oven?

Here in the Philippines there is an endless supply of rice hulls. In other places in the world where resources are in short supply there is a method of putting waste biomass in water for three days, letting starches leach out then pressing the mush into fuel donuts. There are no chemicals, just stuff and water, pressed and dried. Here's a vid that is incredibly short, its made in Cambodia...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HBq-GQPIFY

Aside from that there is coconut coal which is coconut husks made into charcoal. Burns hot. Basically I'm going to have to find out what pizzas taste like when exposed to various fuels. There are choices of wood to burn as well and tree farms in the hills. They off cut the branches and use the wood from the trunks for lumber. The branches are sold as fuel. Ipil Ipil, Mahogany, Jemolina, Coconut, and many others. Ipil Ipil is more dense than oak. I've seen it sink in water and they also make charcoal out of the stuff.

In a perfect world I'm burning free rice hulls we process ourselves and either coconut coal or Ipil Ipil charcoal to get the temps a bit higher.

The railing top in the foreground is Ipil Ipil, the one Uncle Rouel (sp) is leaning on is mahogany. These incredible woods are farmed here and so they're cheap. That piece of mahogany is 18' long, 4" thick finished and cost P1000 which at the time was $20.



I try to get to know people a bit before inviting these days, people who will be living in my home. When we do the pizza place, maybe in a year, we'll have 3 rooms for rent, 2 with aircon. Its an interesting time for us, neither of us have ever tried anything like this. Adopting 2 kids, want a future for them.
 
That piece of mahogany is 18' long, 4" thick finished and cost P1000 which at the time was $20.

Whoa. That's incredible. At $10.00/board foot (a very low-ball estimate), figuring 16" wide, 16/4, 18' long, that's 96 board feet.

$1000.

No wonder deforestation is profitable! :ar15:
 
I just came to say that this thread is sweet, and I look forward to seeing more progress.
 
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