Are Corporations Destroying Culture? Are They Preventing Us From Developing A Refined Culture?

Do you really have to ask around to find offended people before laughing?
No, but I choose to, because I don't like bullying humor. It's the difference between laughing at someone and laughing with them. To misquote Captain America, I don't like bullies, I don't care how funny they are.
 
No, but I choose to, because I don't like bullying humor. It's the difference between laughing at someone and laughing with them. To misquote Captain America, I don't like bullies, I don't care how funny they are.

Japan is like one of the most openly racist societies in the world, and they certainly don't feel inferior to USians or other europeans :) I am not sure who would be offended by some "white" person wearing a kimono other than some other "white" people.

 
Japan is like one of the most openly racist societies in the world, and they certainly don't feel inferior to USians or other europeans :) I am not sure who would be offended by some "white" person wearing a kimono other than some other "white" people.
Right, exactly. I don't think it's up to me to decide whether or when a Japanese or Japanese-American person is offended by a White person wearing a kimono, or why.

I know what you mean about Japan, btw. Tokyo is by far the most homogeneous big city I've ever seen. It actually made me a little uncomfortable. And it wasn't that I felt unwelcome. Not at all. Everyone was perfectly friendly and the city is well accustomed to and accommodating of tourists. It just felt weird, I guess. Unsettling, somehow. And of course the city kind of overloads the senses, even for someone who feels at home in cities, and being a tourist who doesn't speak the language, I was sort of mentally off-balance the entire time anyway. I was also suddenly very tall and fat. :lol:
 
No, but I choose to, because I don't like bullying humor. It's the difference between laughing at someone and laughing with them. To misquote Captain America, I don't like bullies, I don't care how funny they are.

Do you find yourself being the last person to laugh at jokes? What if you laugh 'with' someone who aint laughing? I guess the only person you need to ask is them. Do you think Trump laughs at the jokes told about him here? :D
 
The topic is "are corporations destroying culture"?". The topic has just gone to culture more generally.

Corporations just follow whatever main culture they're from and hope to make a buck out of culture. So what if they appropriate culture? Whoever claim that corporations destroy culture have failed to provide any examples.

Personally, I could not give a damn about any culture. It's just a way of doing things. People from certain countries eat, drink, wear, socialise, transact, negotiate or otherwise commune their certain way. That's it.

Some cultures happen to be more prevalent, durable and popular than others. Some cultures claim they're better than other cultures, but that's irrelevant.

I really don't get why people are so hung up on culture being destroyed or appropriated. So what if a white girl wears an Asian dress to a prom? In the end, we're all humans and we hope the world remains a peaceful place compared to previous centuries of chaos, war, bigotry and division.
 
No more October Fest or Cinco de mayo!
 
I could be mistaken, but 10 years ago I thought the conversation on this forum was several members (largely Europeans) were lecturing Americans for having no culture, now its 'only Americans' would say Americans have no culture?

I don't know if you're mistaken or not about that happening, but you're certainly mistaken if you think that I am somehow beholden to something "several Europeans" said 10 years ago.
 
I’ve been thinking off and on for the last few days about how to phrase this: who “owns” culture? If it can be appropriated, then I assume that its something that can be owned in a sense.

If something like a kimono belongs to a people, does it ever stop being “theirs”? Can I inherit some rights to it by my residence here? I might be more aware of local customs than an American of Japanese descent.

Being a white person descended from multiple European countries, am I entitled to “ownership” of those countries’ cultural properties, or a fraction thereof?

In the case of a work of art or a scientific invention, copyrights and patents already cover the field pretty well if we’re talking about the intangible. So, besides the definition of culture itself, who owns culture?
 
I’ve been thinking off and on for the last few days about how to phrase this: who “owns” culture? If it can be appropriated, then I assume that its something that can be owned in a sense.

If something like a kimono belongs to a people, does it ever stop being “theirs”? Can I inherit some rights to it by my residence here? I might be more aware of local customs than an American of Japanese descent.

Being a white person descended from multiple European countries, am I entitled to “ownership” of those countries’ cultural properties, or a fraction thereof?

In the case of a work of art or a scientific invention, copyrights and patents already cover the field pretty well if we’re talking about the intangible. So, besides the definition of culture itself, who owns culture?
It depends what you mean by "ownership", but Japanese culture seems pretty ubiquitous. If one follows my rule-of-thumb of letting the group in question tell us and not just deciding for them, I'd say the Japanese don't appear to be bothered by "Brazilian jiu-jitsu", fusion cuisine, or American Godzilla movies (I mean, the movies are bad, so that might bug them, but the notion by itself doesn't seem to).

I don’t think people can really claim Japanese culture is marginalized anyway.
Right, that too.
 
Cultural appropriation, without permission and for profit!

Pizza Hut’s Detroit style is crunchy and cheesy, but one expert says Motor City natives ‘would be offended’

Pizza Hut’s new Detroit Style, double cheese pizza, featuring the familiar stripes of sauce over thick, crispy-edged slices. (Emily Heil/The Washington Post)
By
Emily Heil
Jan. 27, 2021 at 6:00 a.m. MST

Unless you grew up in Michigan, Detroit-style pizza is probably not familiar pie territory. But the square-panned, crunchy-edged dish recently has been catching on like a Motown earworm far beyond the borders of the Wolverine State, fueled by diners’ interest in regional specialties — and the simple fact that the cheese-all-the-way-to-the-edges style can be pretty delicious, even to those who grew up drinking soda, not pop.

After years of enjoying the thin-crusted New York or Neapolitan-style slices that had been the standard for most quality pizza purveyors I had encountered, I found the Detroit pizza’s pillowy crust, with a crunchy, nearly deep-fried exterior, satisfying. But it wasn’t entirely unfamiliar.

Digging into a slab from a local pie shop recently brought me back to a childhood memory. I was suddenly 8 years old and staring in awe of a feast before me: a personal pan pizza from Pizza Hut, in a piping hot skillet, for me alone to devour — the pepperoni-topped bounty from my school’s Book It reading program.

So when I saw the announcement Tuesday that the pizza giant was debuting its very own Detroit-style pizza, I was optimistic that the offering would bridge my nostalgic reminiscence with a favorite new-to-me trend.

Pizza Hut’s version sounded enticing — and thoroughly researched. The company boasts in a news release that it spent a year developing the pizza, during which it tried 500 iterations (presumably discarding 499). Each of its double-pepperoni pizzas features 32 slices of regular pepperoni and an additional 48 that crisp into the cup shaped discs familiar to Detroit pizza aficionados.

And so I ordered two versions of the new menu item — the aforementioned double pepperoni and the double cheese. (It also comes in an even more meat-laden variety that adds bacon and sausage to the mix and another, the “supremo,” topped with Italian sausage, red onions and green bell peppers). Because I thought I should enlist someone for whom the Detroit-style is a native language, I also ordered the same pies for Chris Powers, a co-founder of Ivy and Coney, a bar in D.C.’s Shaw neighborhood themed in homage to its owners’ hometowns of Detroit and Chicago.

Powers grew up just north of the Motor City and added Detroit-style pizza to Ivy and Coney’s takeout menu after the pandemic made more delivery-friendly food a necessity, so he knows what goes into a good slice … er, slab. We each sampled our respective deliveries, and then I chatted with Powers for a debrief.

To start with, I was more impressed than he was. My pies had some of the crisp/soft juxtaposition that I had hoped for: I appreciated the lacy ring of sizzled cheese that surrounded them, following the instructions on the box to nab a corner piece for two sides of crunch. The crust was pleasantly springy, even if the bottom wasn’t as crisp as I’d hoped. The curly-edged pepperoni, too, offered another layer of texture and a salty counterpoint to the slightly too-sweet sauce (though I didn’t count them to make sure they matched Pizza Hut’s promised figures).


Pizza Hut’s new Detroit Style Pizza. (Pizza Hut)
But Powers was even more discerning. He did approve, at least, of the classic construction. The Hut’s lab wizards layered cheese directly over the dough, then topped it in two “stripes,” often a hallmark of the style, he notes, which are sauced only after a turn in the oven. That’s a technique used by Buddy’s, the beloved chain of his youth whose recent expansion has helped fuel the craze for Detroit’s pies, and can keep the dough from being weighed down while it bakes.

But appearances can be deceiving, and Powers pointed to a literary reference to describe the disconnect. In the sci-fi classic “The Hitchhiker’s Guide to the Galaxy,” a machine called the “Nutri-Matic” attempts to create the user’s desired beverage. The result for a British Earthling? “A liquid that was almost, but not quite, entirely unlike tea.”

Pizza Hut’s latest concoction similarly “looks like a Detroit pizza — all the cornerstone elements are represented,” Powers says. “But they’re all a little off, so when you put them all together it ends up entirely different.”

His quibbles: The crust wasn’t nearly crisp enough; the cheese on his pizzas didn’t extend to the edges, as promised, and besides which, it wasn’t the classic Wisconsin brick, whose low moisture gives it the feeling of cheese curds, he says, and the sauce’s sweetness marred the whole.

And so perhaps this is a pie to be enjoyed by people who don’t know better yet. Which clearly doesn’t include our friends up north. Powers’ final verdict? “Anyone who grew up in Detroit would probably be offended.”
 
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