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Are dogs better than people?

Discussion in 'Off-Topic' started by Disgustipated, Apr 3, 2011.

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Which would you save from death? A dog or a convicted child molester/murderer

  1. I'd save the dog

    42.6%
  2. I'd save the human

    27.8%
  3. neither

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  4. I'm not sure

    11.1%
  1. Bill3000

    Bill3000 OOOH NOOOOOOO! Supporter

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    That's because they're stupid animals who lack the intelligence to be moral agents - who are worthy of having rights, have the ability to act righteously or viciously, and have intrinsic worth.
     
  2. Narz

    Narz keeping it real

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    Obviously a dog is worth more than a child molester so I'd save the dog.

    I'd save a cat over a molester or murdered too. Or, if there was no pet inside, I'd save no one.
     
  3. Bill3000

    Bill3000 OOOH NOOOOOOO! Supporter

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    Of course not. A child molester is a human. A dog is property. It is ethically equivalent to a chair.
     
  4. Narz

    Narz keeping it real

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    I'd save a chair over a child molester too. I wouldn't put a child molester very high in the ethical category.

    Consider dogs have saved humans from disaster & create positive feelings in humans I'd rate them much more highly than a chair (except annoying little yippy dogs).

    I judge all creatures on a case by case basis.

    A dog & a chair having nearly nothing in common except in the mind of an obsessive catagorizer.
     
  5. civ_king

    civ_king Deus Caritas Est

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    a child molester/murderer can repent his wicked ways, an act of mercy such as this could be the catalyst for the change
     
  6. Lone Wolf

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    A dog is a fine animal, as long as it isn't spelt backwards - GKC.

    I dislike dogs in general, though I am capable of liking particular dogs.
     
  7. kristopherb

    kristopherb Protective/Charismatic

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    The question is, why is the dog and the childmolester in the same burning building?
     
  8. UnendingRequiem

    UnendingRequiem Chieftain

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    A child molester? Shoot the bastard.
     
  9. Narz

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    It could but I don't think I'd play the odds.

    Dogs are mostly harmless whereas people are capable of being good or bad. I'd rather save a neutral animal than a bad person.
     
  10. Disgustipated

    Disgustipated Deity

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    How is that psychotic? I believe the value of the life of a dog (except maybe attack dogs that hurt people) is more than that of some humans such as murderers and child molesters. And in response to an above comment, I don't believe child molesters can ever reform. They have a high rate of repeat offenses.

    As for other questions in this thread. Let's just assume there is no danger to yourself as long as you save only one. Because after then there will be too much smoke, and you know you'll die of smoke inhalation if you go back in. The child molester is known because you saw his face on the news, and heard that he was paroled and released from prison. The dog is just an average dog, you don't know his history, but can tell he's someone's pet.

    As an additional scenario. Would you save the dog if you knew he was the pet of the child molester?

    And a dog isn't the equivalent of a chair. I'm sure that's just trolling. If you think that, then you think it's perfectly acceptable to beat a dog. We have animal abuse laws in this country for a reason. A dog is capable of pain, and dogs do have some simple emotions. It's inhumane to hurt a dog.
     
  11. Narz

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    Nicely put Disgustipated.
     
  12. warpus

    warpus In pork I trust

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  13. Tee Kay

    Tee Kay Silly furry

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    I'm not sure if that's possible.
     
  14. Narz

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    Well technically dogs have been bred to be racist. In slave huntings I think.

    But the argument that all humans > dogs is fundamentally idiotic because if humanity is the ultimate good than a person who is willing to destroy the lives of (multiple) humans cancels himself out. The only reason to value a mass murderer over a dog is misanthropy.

    Anyway, we're not talking about actively killing anyone but saving them. Probably most would be too cowardly to save either. I doubt I would run into a burning building to save a dog.
     
  15. NickyJ

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    For the rest of your post, very nicely put. :goodjob: I agree completely.

    For the additional scenario, I'd still save the dog. The dog is innocent, the molester, nope. And since it's the pet of that molester, I guess the dog just got a new home when I rescued him. :D
     
  16. Supr49er

    Supr49er 2011 Thunderfall Cup

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    I'd save the dog, assuming I knew the person was a Pedo.
     
  17. oagersnap

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    That argument only holds if you assume that most murderers will go on to murder more people, which is not the case. I am quite shocked by the hatred that some people here express. Is it really so hard to believe that people can change?
     
  18. Ataxerxes

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    No, it's true, people CAN change. Howeverr, they odds are that they will not. I'd probably go on a case by case basis, in normal situations saving the human if I had to choose. I do admit to bigotry, I wouldn't save a pit bull.

    It's important to realize dogs don't have ethics. If he does something bad, he doesn't feel guilty, he feels bad that you're mad at him. That said, they are more loyal than most people because that's their nature.
     
  19. Narz

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    Hatred? Because they are stating their opinion, only one person I noticed expressed what could be dubbed that (UnendingRequiem). Seriously though, be realistic, most of us wouldn't rescue anyone from a burning building. I know I probably wouldn't (especially now that I have a daughter).

    I have basic human compassion for almost all human beings (though I particular despise sexual abusers since my ex was molested as a child & another girl I dated was raped). Many of them were abused themselves but then again so were many people who did not go on to be abusers themselves.

    If you don't hurt anyone in this life you're neutral. If you abuse people you're below neutral. Remember the majority of people failed the Milgram experiment. That's +1 over dogs. However, many who do survive life threatening disasters do get a new lease on life & become better people. So that's +1 for humans. Also humans ususally have others who care about them. So that's +2.

    So for your average Joe I'd choose him over the dog (if there was minimal chance I'd die in the rescue). For a molester or murderer, I'd go with the dog (though I wouldn't risk any chance of serious injury for a dog).
     
  20. rugbyLEAGUEfan

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    There is no question that my dog will more readily bark at Asians walking pass the front gate than people of non Asian appearance

    Likewise white fluffy dogs are are more likely to get an earful as they walk pass
     

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