Armenian Genocide: Year One Hundred :(

Tigranes

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Breaking: Gallipoli Commemorations Canceled in Turkey!

Disinterest by World Leaders Reason for Cancellation

The commemoration ceremonies marking the centennial of the Gallipoli Campaign of World War I have been canceled, according to Today’s (2/21/2015) Zaman. The paper reveals that the reason for cancellation is the low number of heads of states who agreed to attend Ankara for the ceremonies that were scheduled to take place on April 24—Armenian Genocide commemoration day.

The paper quoted a government official, who wished to remain anonymous, as saying, “The Gallipoli celebrations have been canceled. All preparations have been suspended as the number of RSVPs to the invitation is not positive. Only five countries have accepted the invitation and they will not be represented by high-level officials.”

Leading up to the Gallipoli commemorations, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan had sent official invitations to more than 100 world leaders, including Armenian President Serge Sarkisian (can you imagine?), to partake in the ceremonies. The date designated for these commemoration events—April 24—created uproar among Armenians worldwide, while Turkish human rights groups urged world leaders to boycott the Gallipoli events.

On Jan. 16, Sarkisian responded to Erdogan’s invitation to Turkey on April 24, in a strongly worded letter. “Turkey continues its conventional denial policy and is perfecting its instrumentation for distorting history. This time, Turkey is marking the 100th anniversary of the Battle of Gallipoli on April 24, even though the battle began on March 18, 1915 and lasted until late January 1916, while the Allies’ operation started on April 25,” he wrote, adding, “What is the purpose [of this] if not to distract the world’s attention from the 100th anniversary of the Armenian Genocide?”

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So tell us about the Armenian genocide, Mr Tigranes.

Didn't the Ottomans see the Armenians, who sided with the Russian empire, as an existential threat?

And wasn't their military campaign in that area a complete botch up from beginning to end? Or was that just a rumour put about by Enver Pasha?

I'm woefully ignorant about this issue.
 
So tell us about the Armenian genocide, Mr Tigranes.

Didn't the Ottomans see the Armenians, who sided with the Russian empire, as an existential threat?

And wasn't their military campaign in that area a complete botch up from beginning to end?

The Nazi's saw the Jews as an existence threat also. :rolleyes:
 
Why would an ANZAC campaign that utterly failed be of any relevance to non-Anglosphere world leaders?
 
Also, that commemoration is on April 25 not April 24. Are the Turks running their own on the 24th? Seems a strange date for them to use.

That's exactly the point. The idea was to eclipse Genocide date (24th) with something else.

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Enver, Talaat, Djemal -- The "Three Pashas" ( Üç Paşalar) were the dominant political figures in the Ottoman empire during World War I, largely responsible for its entry into the war and widely considered the main perpetrators of the genocide.

On 24 December 1914, Minister of War Enver Pasha implemented a plan to encircle and destroy the Russian Caucasus Army at Sarıkamış in order to regain territories lost to Russia after the Russo-Turkish War of 1877–78. Enver Pasha's forces were routed in the battle, and almost completely destroyed. Returning to Constantinople, Enver Pasha publicly blamed his defeat on Armenians in the region having actively sided with the Russians. Repressive measures taken against the empire's Armenian population were an early stage of the Armenian Genocide. This policy towards the Armenians of Anatolia was paralleled on a smaller scale in Ottoman policy that led to the Greek genocide against the Pontic Greeks of northeastern Anatolia and Caucasus Greeks of Kars Oblast, also on the pretext that like the Armenians they too had fought in or collaborated with the Russian Caucasus Army at Sarikamish and elsewhere on the Caucasus front.

Talaat Pasha, as Interior Minister, On 24 April 1915 (thus the date) issued an order to close all Armenian political organizations operating within the Ottoman Empire and arrest Armenians connected to them, justifying the action by stating that the organizations were controlled from outside the empire, were inciting upheavals behind the Ottoman lines, and were cooperating with Russian forces. This order resulted in the arrest on the night of 24/25 April 1915 of 235 to 270 Armenian community leaders in Istanbul, including politicians, clergymen, physicians, authors, journalists, lawyers, and teachers. Although the mass killings of Armenian civilians had begun in the Van vilayet several weeks earlier, these mass-arrests in Istanbul are considered by many commentators to be the start of the Armenian Genocide. Talaat is reported to have said the following to Ambassador Henry Morgenthau, Sr. in Ambassador Morgenthau's Story: "I have accomplished more toward solving the Armenian problem in three months than Abdulhamid II accomplished in thirty years!" Here is another quote from the same book by American Ambassador:

After this exchange of compliments we settled down to the business in hand. "I have asked you to come to-day," began Talaat, "so that I can explai n our position on the whole Armenian subject.We base our objections to the Armenians on three distinct grounds. In the first place, they have enriched themselves at the expense of the Turks. In the second place, they are determined to domineer over us and to establish a separate state. In the third place, they have openly encouraged our enemies. They have assisted the Russians in the Caucasus and our failure there is largely explained by their actions. We have therefore come to the irrevocable decision that we shall make them powerless before this war is ended."

On every one of these points I had plenty of arguments in rebuttal. Talaat's first objection was merely an admission that the Armenians were more industrious and more able than the dull-witted and lazy Turks. Massacre as a means of destroying business competition was certainly an original conception! His general charge that the Armenians were "conspiring" against Turkey and that they openly sympathized with Turkey's enemies merely meant, when reduced to its original elements, that the Armenians were constantly appealing to the European Powers to protect them against robbery, murder, and outrage. The Armenian problem, like most race problems, was the result of centuries of ill-treatment and injustice. There could be only one solution for it, the creation of an orderly system of government, in which all citizens were to be treated upon an equality, and in which all offenses were to be punished as the acts of individuals and not as of peoples. I argued for a long time along these and similar lines.

"It is no use for you to argue," Talaat answered, "we have already disposed of three quarters of the Armenians; there are none at all left in Bitlis, Van, and Erzeroum. The hatred between the Turks and the Armenians is now so intense that we have got to finish with them. If we don't, they will plan their revenge."

"If you are not influenced by humane considerations," I replied, "think of the material loss. These people are your business men. They control many of your industries. They are very large tax-payers. What would become of you commercially without them?"

"We care nothing about the commercial loss," replied Talaat. "We have figured all that out and we know that it will not exceed five million pounds. We don't worry about that. I have asked you to come here so as to let you know that our Armenian policy is absolutely fixed and that nothing can change it. We will not have the Armenians anywhere in Anatolia. They can live in the desert but nowhere else."

I still attempted to persuade Talaat that the treatment of the Armenians was destroying Turkey in the eyes of the world, and that his country would never be able to recover from this infamy.

"You are making a terrible mistake," I said, and I repeated the statement three times.

"Yes, we may make mistakes," he replied, "but" ---and he firmly closed his lips and shook his head---"we never regret."


Following the occupation of Constantinople by the Allied Powers, the British exerted pressure on the Sublime Porte and brought to trial the Ottoman leaders who had held positions of responsibility between 1914 and 1918, for having committed, among other charges, the Armenian Genocide. Those who were caught were put under arrest at the Bekiraga division and were subsequently exiled to Malta. The courts-martial were designed by Sultan Mehmed VI to punish the Committee of Union and Progress for the Empire's ill-conceived involvement in World War I. The Pashas who had held the highest positions in the administration and whose names were at the top of the execution lists of the Armenian assassination teams could be condemned in absentia because they had gone abroad.

By January 1919, a report to Sultan Mehmed VI accused over 130 suspects, most of whom were high officials. The indictment accused the main defendants, including Talaat, of being "mired in an unending chain of bloodthirstiness, plunder and abuses". They were accused of deliberately engineering Turkey's entry into the war "by a recourse to a number of vile tricks and deceitful means". They were also accused of "the massacre and destruction of the Armenians" and of trying to "pile up fortunes for themselves" through "the pillage and plunder" of their possessions. The indictment alleged that "The massacre and destruction of the Armenians were the result of decisions by the Central Committee of Ittihadd". The Court released its verdict on 5 July 1919: Talat, Enver, Djemal, and Dr. Nazim were condemned to death in absentia.
 
While the Armenian genocide is known very well to the public now, other genocides of the Ottomans should be brought to the light too. Those include the Greek genocide and the Assyrian genocide.

Although the Greek genocide is too being recognized slowly but steadily, most people continue to ignore the Assyrian genocide (and even the existence of those people).
 
Most genocide denialists mention the Turks killed by Armenians during WWI but I think this happened after the genocide and deportations when the Russians invaded Anatolia. It doesn't disprove that a genocide happened.

I've even seen monuments to Turks killed by Armenians with no mention of Armenians killed by Turks. I saw one in Kars and a museum exhibit from a mass grave in Erzurum. I've heard there's a big monument in İğdır.

Turkey funds university departments in America to spread its point of view.

Actually even before WWI there were massacres of Armenians in the 19th century.

In Diyarbakir last year I visited an Armenian church that is being restored. The mayor has invited Armenians to come back to the city. Kurdish people played a big part in the genocide but it seems like they're typically not as quick to defend it, probably because they're not influenced by Turkish nationalism.

Where I live there's a small town called Sarsink and the name sounds Armenian and I heard a lot of the people there are Christian but people didn't know if they were Assyrian or Armenian. I'll try to find out.
 
It should be noted that some Jews refuse to recognize the Armenian Genocide either. These are the "the Holocaust is the only genocide in human history" crowd, a rather unlikable bunch if there ever was one. Minimizing the suffering of others in order to play up your own never leaves a good taste in others' mouths. No wonder Israel and Turkey get along (at least before). Seriously, one reason for the surprisingly close historical relationship between Israel and Turkey (a Muslim country) might be both of them having an interest in denying the Armenian Genocide, albeit for very different reasons.

However, now that Sultana Erdogan seems to be interested in radicalizing Turkey and Israel-Turkey relations are in trouble, both Israel and Jewish organizations around the world seem to be moving closer towards recognizing the genocide. The ADL, which always called the events simply "atrocities", now says that "they were tantamount to genocide" and "if the word 'genocide' existed back then, they would have called it genocide." Official recognition from Israel may be forthcoming in a few years.
 
Sources close to the Turkish government have denied the Sunday’s Zaman report that claimed the Gallipoli commemoration events have been canceled, according to Daily Sabah. “Sources from both the Presidency and Prime Ministry have refuted the claims that the commemorations have been canceled, refraining from offering further details over how many and which countries will participate in the Gallipoli centennial commemoration,” reported Sabah. :dunno:
 
most people continue to ignore the Assyrian genocide (and even the existence of those people).

Assyrians in Armenia make up the country's third largest ethnic minority, after Yazidis and Russians. I had very good Assyrian friend. Assyrians, like their Armenian neighbors, suffered during a genocide by the Ottoman Turks, in which an estimated 275,000 Assyrians perished. Throughout history, relations between the Assyrians and Armenian majority have tended to be very friendly, as both groups have practiced Christianity since ancient times and have suffered through persecution under Muslim rulers.

The mixed Assyro-Armenian marriages are quite high on the percentage scale, this situation being also noted in Iraq and Iran, and in the Diaspora with adjacent Armenian and Assyrian communities . Historically, the Assyrians have always been described as men of gallantry, nearly always siding with the Armenians in rebellious situations. Along with other Christian populations they have been the subject of genocide within the Ottoman Empire and the Arab and Islamic world. The Armenian and the Assyrian nations have always been attached not only by confessional consensus, but rather by many centuries of collaboration and the correlative historical predestination.

Nonetheless, the Assyrian Church of the East is considered heretical by the Armenian Apostolic Church, as the latter condemns the patron saint of the former, Nestorius. However, the Armenian Catholic Church and the Assyrian Chaldean Catholic Church are in full communion, and have brotherly relations.
 
Where I live there's a small town called Sarsink and the name sounds Armenian and I heard a lot of the people there are Christian but people didn't know if they were Assyrian or Armenian. I'll try to find out.

Assyrian town with Kurdish name.
 
well , the only attitude would be just a "Bring it on" ; though ı would hardly expect the US to act on it .
 
Eh?

What does that mean? What does it have to do with the Armenian Genocide?
 
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A banner in the southwest province of Mugla reads, “We celebrate the 100th anniversary of our country being cleared of Armenians. We are proud of our glorious ancestors. –Young Atsizs.” (Atsizs refers to Nihal Atsiz, a leading ideologue of Turkish racism and a proponent of Turanism).

Banners Celebrating Genocide Displayed in Turkey

Anti-Armenian Protests Held in Istanbul :hmm:

Anti-Armenian banners celebrating the Armenian Genocide have been displayed in cities around Turkey. Meanwhile, on Feb. 22, two protests were held under the banner of “Demonstrations Condemning the Khojali Genocide and Armenian Terror,” in the Kadikoy and Beyoglu districts in Istanbul. Some protesters chanted anti-Armenian slogans, while others invoked the name of Ogun Samast, the ultra-nationalist youth who gunned down Agos Editor Hrant Dink in 2007.

The banners celebrating the Armenian Genocide were spotted in different parts of the country. In the southwest province of Mugla, a banner declared, “We celebrate the 100th anniversary of our country being cleared of Armenians. We are proud of our glorious ancestors. –Young Atsizs.” Atsizs refers to Nihal Atsiz (1905-75), a leading ideologue of Turkish racism and a proponent of Turanism. The banner was displayed in front of the Provincial Directorate of Youth and Sports in Mugla. The Directorate claimed the banner was hung far enough that they had not seen it, but that “responsible citizens” had removed it, according to Demokrat Haber.

Similar banners were also displayed in Manisa (north of Izmir), and Ordu (on the Black Sea coast). Demokrat Haber also reports that similar posters were put up by the Mayor’s office in Sogutlucesme, Istanbul, as well as Marmara University’s Goztepe campus.

“The Human Rights Association can only attempt to raise a voice protesting these initiatives. As long as the Turkish public is not upset, and feels no shame by these demonstrations, the discourse, and the slogans, there will be no real response to these rabid anti-Armenian initiatives,” human rights activist Ayse Gunaysu told the Armenian Weekly, adding, “This reality has been haunting me in recent days.”

Protests around Istanbul

In Kadikoy, an anonymous source observed around 1,000-1,500 protesters, many waving Azerbaijani flags. The source said aside from nationalist slogans, and chants about the “Khojali genocide,” anti-Kurdish slogans were also heard, presumably fueled by the recent killing of an ultranationalist man who was partaking in an attack against members of the pro-Kurdish People’s Democratic Party (HDP) in Izmir. The anti-Armenian slogans were more muted than what had been observed during the Feb. 26, 2012 anti-Armenian protest, noted the source.

According to Gunaysu, a Weekly contributor, protesters might have been deterred from chanting rabidly anti-Armenian slogans during the latest rally due to the fact that those who had carried banners reading, “You are all Armenians, you are all bastards,” in 2012, had been sentenced to 5 months in prison, which was later turned to a 3,000 TL fine by the court.

The police were present in large numbers in Kadikoy, and blocked movement to main streets, including near the offices of the pro-Kurdish People’s Democratic Party (HDP).

According to Demokrat Haber, buses transported protesters—free of charge—from in front of the governorates of surrounding cities to where the Kadikoy demonstration was being held.

In the days leading up to the protest, the Human Rights Association (HRA) of Turkey’s Istanbul branch issued a statement condemning the protest, calling it a “pretext to incite ethnic hate against Armenians in Turkey.”

The organization also petitioned the Istanbul Governorate, warning officials of the anti-Armenian sentiments that were on the rise ahead of the planned protest.

According to Demokrat Haber, despite the fact that the protest organizers had claimed to have the proper permits to stage the rally, the Istanbul Governorate had not been notified about the demonstration, and had not received any permit applications. Furthermore, official sources held that in keeping in line with clause 6 of the “Law on Rallies and Demonstration Marches,” permits could not have been granted for the location of the rally, since the area is off limits as a public gathering space.

Similarly, the HRA received a fax from the Governorate of Istanbul, stating that their office neither received a request for permission for the protests, nor granted any such permission.

Meanwhile, according to a source, the Association of Reformist Youth of Azerbaijan has denied involvement in these protests. Earlier the HRA had reported that the protests were being organized by the Association of Reformist Youth of Azerbaijan, together with the Turkish Hearths Youth branches and the Turanist Movement Platform.

In Galatasaray Square in Beyoglu, a smaller protest was held with participants from the Nationalist Turkey Party and the Turan Hearths. According to the Turkish news outlet Haberler, the protesters shouted slogans against Armenia; calling Khojali a “part of the homeland” that was “under Armenian invasion.” The protesters also condemned the international community for supporting Armenia. Minor clashes with the police were reported.

The Feb. 20 HRA statement cautioned that anti-Armenian sentiments were on the rise, and that racist graffiti had been spray painted on and near churches, with messages such as, “You are all Armenians, you are all bastards.”

The HRA statement added, “You, officials who refrain from criminalizing racist slogans on church walls, who officially or unofficially permit protests and demonstrations pre announced by such slogans, if you do not enforce the law, you will become partners in the crime…”
 
A banner in the southwest province of Mugla reads, “We celebrate the 100th anniversary of our country being cleared of Armenians. We are proud of our glorious ancestors. –Young Atsizs.” (Atsizs refers to Nihal Atsiz, a leading ideologue of Turkish racism and a proponent of Turanism).

Banners Celebrating Genocide Displayed in Turkey

Anti-Armenian Protests Held in Istanbul

Unbelievable... Imagine Germans waving banners celebrating the Holocaust... There is really no place for Turkey in the EU.

Armenia and Georgia are far more culturally compatible with this continent, and geographically also on the periphery of Europe.
 
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