Armenian Genocide: Year One Hundred :(

Anyway, since the US federal government has actually not yet recognized the genocide in order to maintain favorable relations with Turkey, shouldn't this guy actually be pleased about that?

my posts take ages to type , me being a single fingered typist . And why should ı be pleased about this incessant game of the US that has been on like for ages ? Oh-kay ı understand the US wanted so badly to have an Armenian Mandate , and threw a fit when that wasn't like possible and kinda ignored the Wilsonian machinazations for an era of Isolation so that the net result was the WW II with Henry Ford's glorious success in propping up the Nazi Party . If Washington thinks something it should act to that end . Instead of coming up with rosy pictures of , you know ...


He also bemoans how Turks are always perceived as "the bad guys" and branded as "genociders", and seems to think that Kurds are about to become the "overlords" of Turks. All thanks to the malevolent designs of the USA, of course.
them dear Americans shot up a Turkish Destroyer in a NATO exercise back in the 1990s and came up with a ton of explanations . And hints that we should actually behave , in watching the Bosnians die and Kurds capture Kerkük from the lot of Saddam . It was followed by hints of Moderate Islam to come . ı still say Saratoga should have been sunk the next day ; then the malevolent designs of the US would take a break .

I wouldn't go so far as to say he denies the genocide, but he does seem to be minimizing it, in a very roundabout way. And of course he is opposed to any idea of giving eastern Turkey (western Armenia) away, which he imagines that the Armenians are demanding.

so you say they are not demanding , how nice of them !

And he seems to think the US wields undue influence in Turkey. Obviously not, or else Erdogan wouldn't be able to transform Turkey into a little radical state as he is doing.

it can be real hard to see the Americans have been successfully breeding even better success stories like ISIL ; one B-52 or B-1 might have destroyed the ISIL pickings in Musul , like those weapons depots and it would have gained 6 months or a year on the destruction of that particular brand of Jihadist activity .

He clearly doesn't like the US very much, that much I can tell.

ı think you will not be very happy about the Americans ı like and the Americans ı don't like .
 
ı seriously think that you don't .
 
You don't think that he thinks that you think he'll be unhappy about the Americans you like and the ones you don't like?

Why don't you think so? Hasn't he said he thinks that? What reason do you have to disbelieve him?
 
now that English is not a thing that ı particularly know of -even when things ı particularly know of are really rare- he really comes to me as somewhat disturbed that am still allowed to talk . He thinks ı hate Americans , since disliking the US policies must obviously be because of hating Americans since otherwise it's well known that America can never make a mistake . Does he know the Americans ı like , does he know those ı don't like ? Does he have the exact list of people ı know enough to like or not to like so that he can assign a percentage to decide ı hate or ı do not hate ?

it's nothing yet , as the Turkish saying goes not even catching a bird with the mouth will help . Talking in the clear will be swamped "But you are in a roundabout way." in the beginning and "You are murderers." in the end . Turkish TV debate last night , with a Party historian pleading with a former Party historian that as a Turkish citizen and stuff , she shouldn't be like saying all Turks are murderers . It's only the dearth of spine in some people you know , so that all those glorious people will be watching the country burn , with high hopes that they will be remembered for an eternity with monuments dedicated to them . Well , maybe one should help them , by going to Washington with some tea and biscuits ...
 
Why are the turks so bent on refusing the acknowledge this, are they afraid of retroactively being punished for it?

'Patriotism' that makes the American kind look tame. We're talking about a country that teaches schoolchildren that the Turks were greeted as liberators when they took Constantinople.
 
now that English is not a thing that ı particularly know of -even when things ı particularly know of are really rare- he really comes to me as somewhat disturbed that am still allowed to talk . He thinks ı hate Americans , since disliking the US policies must obviously be because of hating Americans since otherwise it's well known that America can never make a mistake . Does he know the Americans ı like , does he know those ı don't like ? Does he have the exact list of people ı know enough to like or not to like so that he can assign a percentage to decide ı hate or ı do not hate ?

it's nothing yet , as the Turkish saying goes not even catching a bird with the mouth will help . Talking in the clear will be swamped "But you are in a roundabout way." in the beginning and "You are murderers." in the end . Turkish TV debate last night , with a Party historian pleading with a former Party historian that as a Turkish citizen and stuff , she shouldn't be like saying all Turks are murderers . It's only the dearth of spine in some people you know , so that all those glorious people will be watching the country burn , with high hopes that they will be remembered for an eternity with monuments dedicated to them . Well , maybe one should help them , by going to Washington with some tea and biscuits ...

Hmm. I'm really not sure that LoneRebel is an American, tbh.

But your response only really makes sense if you don't know yourself which Americans you like and dislike. Which is certainly a possibility, I'll admit.
 
'Patriotism' that makes the American kind look tame. We're talking about a country that teaches schoolchildren that the Turks were greeted as liberators when they took Constantinople.
Not to mention a victim complex that could rival Russia's. Of course all the historical evidence on the Armenian genocide is only a EU conspiracy to make Turkey look bad.
 
oK , let's add some more ...

that LoneRebel is American or isn't hardly matters . It's a generalization that serves , however unfair it might be for him . And that ı personally avoid the likes of Consular people from Istanbul does not mean that am like totally unaware that Americans are like us Turks with a head , two arms and two legs .

the Liberators of Istanbul thing is of course justified by the events related to 1054 and 1204 . We had this empire in the Balkans for like 4 centuries since most of the times the Slavs preferred our yoke to other European yokes .

barack spineless jerk Hussein . Because it fits like a glove .

naturally newspapers carry what he said . In this particular one ı bought with a photo of him with a discernable smile as if calling people idiot . A message that didn't get any kind of a particular response from the New Turkey , due to a "constructive ambiguity " . According to the newspaper , considering the night of the 24th was a series of blasting declarations from the Foreign Ministry reported as flash news by all the TV channels . A glorious victory for the New Turkey 'cause His Spineless Majesties didn't say bad words like "on purpose" , even mentioning that all sides suffered , the lynchpin of da strategy . A soft caress , right before the first punch for effect . He says 1.5 million dead , leaving no wiggle room for his subjects in Ankara , who were twisting and playing for a number less than a milion . Now that America knows it best and the truth about this great disaster was known to the world due to the work of the American Ambrassador to Istanbul . Actually the truth was "formed" . If this is not what the HSM is saying , ı trust Tigranes to have the actual English language version ; am translating this from a Turkish newspaper . HSM is of course His Spineless Majesties - let me be helpful to Kiddo 'cause it kinda hurts promotions , whenever this truthful observation of Turks gets into paper .

then a reference to a guy who came up with the legal definition of Genocide , a first step for the American participation in the linking of Turkey and the genocide , the one the Nazis did . Then the bond between the Armenians and the Americans , with Americans collecting financial aid and creating the conditions for emigration to US . HSM goes on to say his view on 1915 is well known , he is calling it a genocide , because he said it so before he was elected to the White House . Allies with the Pope and wellcomes Turkish and Armenian historians' work in addition to any person talking stuff in a bid to enlighten this dark period . HSM of course talks "sense" , now that Armenian historians kinda actually do no work . Sarkisyan point blank refused this thing about archives now that it's known 1.5 million died ; there is no desire to discover whether the number was less than 1.5 million . The any-person- talking-stuff will be heard only if it contributes to the narrative that the Armenian dead were between 1.5 million and 1.5 million . For if ı say it was (...) it obviously means ı am trying to further darken the dark period . HSM says America stands with the Armenians and will learn from this disaster to prevent the occurrance of similar stuff in the future . Lucky HSM , he wasn't the President when Clinton watched Paris throwing a fit and arranging stuff in Ruanda , with the people dying certainly more amenable to America .


and the spinelessness is not just a White House thing . Despite what they had already declared , the German Goverment refrains from calling it a genocide and the bill or whatever goes back to parliamentary commissions , with the opposition to provide the heat with pleas to call it a genocide straight . So , you can certainly assume like hell that we are supposed to make amends to Germany or they will call it a genocide . For even if the German Goverment didn't play its hand , the thing is still there . Merkel wore Blue on that day , it's the colour of Remembrance of Armenians , but the German authorities still declare it's a coincidence and not intent . Now that we are all idiots and previously had no idea that Blue was a specific Armenian colour . Now that my eyes have some blue patches , am ı required to buy contact lenses ? Had ı known Deutsch , ı would said in Deutsch . You get zilch for if we throw a million tons at the Russians we can surely afford two for you .

all this not for people rightly or wrongly accusing us of murder , but for the assumption that we are that big fools to be played around with US President might say or might not or the German Chancellor's wardrobe is the barometer of if there be storms ahead . One can think like hell that we killed Armenians and we are murderers and we are worse . Am not throwing a tantrum in the well established stuff that we won't buy refrigators , cars and bananas if you call us this and that . Although the higher moral standarts you aspire certainly demands that you should take your business elsewhere . Had we been human beings instead of Turkish animals we surely would have done so . And actually this is the second time Berlin pisses of this Starfleet Admiral . Back in '11 or so ı had the pleasure of the report on the end of this oft quoted , so called Phantom Alliance , which specifically stipulates the trade of the said combat aircraft , with minimum alterations as far as practicable from the original specification . It has got nothing to do with co-operation in the Middle East , specifically in a threesome with Israel ; it's all about that USAF might have fielded sights mounted on the pilots' helmets back around 1977 and THK at least gets AIM-9L type all aspect missiles . It was called the Shotgun Wedding on some top secret type files anyway . Anyhow ı posted stuff and the then President was on a state visit to Germany and naturally the TV cameras were well placed to catch the 3 F-4Fs passing above . Who is Germany to decide something is over or not ?

oh yeah , the perfect place discuss the "earliest" the Germans plotted to make us responsible for the Holocaust and stuff . Me as a really useless real life guy and not as the Starfleet commander to come . Means you can take it as true . The first time the Germans paid serious attention to the F-4 was early 1960s , when they had this massive crisis in regards to the Starfighter accidents . ı understand the F-104 is a superb plane at the times it doesn't crash . It was the German industry choice but the Luftwaffe might still have opted for less numbers of aircraft that would have been better maintained . The option then was the D model , developed in view of the USAF requirements . By the time the Germans decided they could find a place for a "not F-104" , after the aircraft companies were sated with contracts , USAF was busy writing up the E . In 1968 the first order came , the RF-4Es . They obviously would have been followed by Es . Wrong . It's a brilliant idea , you see . You buy the world's "finest" of the time , designed around the best possible radar that can be packed into a hulking but capable airframe meant to carry radar guided missiles . The USN is discovering the ways of fighting the Phantom in the vertical and is not shy of advertising the exploits -now that Top Gun in those days is a freak show but its personnel want to establish it as a seperate command .You , being so smart Germans , disregard all that and try to fight the plane in the horizontal , in a better way . For that to happen , to have a advantage in turning fight , you need to lighten the plane . No radar missiles , less fuel and not a guy in the back . Your hugely expensive Phantom is now on par with an F-5 . Of which you might well buy 2 or 3 examples instead of one F-4 ... There is a reason why the F-5E defeated the "German choice" in this USAF competition for export fighters afterall .

the fighter Phantom is needed because of the troubles of Tornado programme , a joint effort by the UK , Germany and Italy . The Brits want something that will show up to B-52 , the Germans would have loved a MiG-23 , the compromise is the lumbering plane that's quite a thing but not exactly a fighter . Germany is also busy paying compensation to Israel , have given up a bit of M-48 tanks but exports to Arab countries are all important ; Bonn can not be too cozy with Tel Aviv . So when the Luftwaffe actually orders its F-4Es , the creative solution is this : Working with the bills and acquisitions , so that all the Sparrow missiles bought will be turned over to Israel at no cost , who is getting Phantoms of its own . To be covered up by the German industry working on a better missile ; they might also buy Aspides , which are Italian made Sparrow clones or Skyflash , built in the UK , to quite the same thing . This is the times the US Military establishment is cracking under the strain of Vietnam . To which the US jumped in with great expectations after the Cuban crisis which was meant to somewhat drive us out of NATO so that we could be gainfully proxied to death in the Middle East . Vietnam is a bottomless well that sucks American reserves . That must be why there are serious talks of arming us up , simultenously with other branches of the Federal goverment planning to bomb us to Kingdom come , rumours are Top Gun crew show a number or two to eventual THK Phantom crews long before Ankara even dreams of buying some . Cyprus is a mess , there will be a war with the Greeks , we must do good so that our otherwise inevitable defeat should not lead us to crazy things which will then create a chaos that the US will have to intervene . Certainly not - with all those hippies sticking flowers down the rifle barrels ! That's why there is actually this Pakistani thing to buy planes which is not molested by the US to the full ; must be because CIA is so confident of the things the Greeks will do , with the finest USAF crews imaginable under the circumstances ...
 
that's how the lightbulbs shine above the heads of certain Germans who have to compete with Anglosaxons , especially in hating the Turks . The Luftwaffe specific F-4F is a stupid idea , a fighter that can't fight in bad weather . Which , let's admit it , happens a lot over Germany . Not exactly so in Turkey , to a degree . The F-4F happens for export to us , with the Germans replacing the unsatisfactory Phantoms with Tornados and giving them "free" to Turkey , the archenemy of Christians , which we will have to pay with 1970s type Capitulations , concessions hidden under a ton of paperwork . Also saves billions of precious Deutche Marks in a splendid example of creative financing . If there is money to be wasted on some Turkish combat aircraft , surely there is money to support Israel's expansionist wars . America guarantees every single Israeli plane lost in combat will be replaced , from the funds Germany will provide , with eventual compensation from what Germany will steal from us . The Final Solution "paid back" bit by bit by the sweat of the Turkish factory worker , the shop owner and the farmer . To stop us from going full throttle on the Greeks ; by using the Phantom in the way it was designed to , there was a time when German experts insisted for structural elements going through the former rear cockpit . And of course all justified through the Russian sinking of the Struma .

it was all glorious until the Israelis got their hands full ; German Marks were aplenty but the Israelis were really losing people . Didn't stop America from sending officials to Israeli airbases in 1973 to count planes to see whether they were really down upside down in some Arabian desert .


compensations are a major economic activity , it seems . Now that it's trendy we learn the Germans have paid up to 70 billion Euros for the Holocaust , Jewish organizations calculate an eventual sum of 200 billion USD . With the inevitable cases . Mrs. Holocaust Victim proves her husband died , gets compensation . As years pass and rules expand Mr. Holocaust Victim applies for the new option ; his wife suffered a lot under the stress . Germans say "But, Herr Holocaust Victim, you died." Jewish organizations say "Germans are murderers." No , this is not racial stereotyping , just an account of some event that reportedly happened . It's mind-numblingly Orientalist of us to listen to those accounts of Armenians in Armenia who supposedly are just a lazy bunch of people who solely wait for compensations to arrive , so that they can live like kings afterwards . The suggestion that the Armenian state budget will be covered by Turkey for the next 100 years is most likely to be off the cuff . That amount would pale in comparison with the amount of apples and oranges bought for the Starfleet for this year , but there is a thing called principles , right ?


If this is arrant nonsense , here's some from the Turkey everybody loved until a couple of years back . This is a newspaper news of which ı had not heard at all . 4 years back at a military high school that prepares students for the military colleges that graduate Lieutenants , English Language teachers in their wisdom decide to screen a TV series in school for those guys who are teens and stuff so that they hear it spoken in a different context , that will improve the students' language skills . They choose the Game of Thrones ; and ı must say in Turkey we see the breasts "iced over" meaning the image is manipulated to follow the law ; showing genitalia brings even higher fines . In South Park ı have seen Butters complaining nonstop with the depiction of nudity especially of men so it's possibly a thing with the series , ı think ı even read something to that end in CFC . The students are of course teens , and it is most probable that the teachers had a DVD , unfiltered if you will . Out of 5 "culprits" , 4 retired early and one gets a dishonourable discharge . This much ı can understand , this is the New Turkey , there is always a need to create posts for like minded teachers to brainwash the young . In the old they would probably get a cut in the salaries for a while . The shock kinda comes with the charge that those teachers have insulted the Turkish values . This is most certainly about the Dothrakis who are led by the horselords or something ; ı remember that had irked me at the time as well . Now that horselords are kinda a phrase that the Selçuks were apparently using , as far as my Osprey reading leads me to believe . Another thing that had me for a while was the way the Khalisee or something promised to love her deceased husband for the eternity , using the verses of Kuran that describes the end of the world but then it fit in somehow . Anyhow it's surely the horselord thing . Khal Drogo , if that was his name , is not the kind of the guy the New Turkey wants its ancestors to resemble . And you might have noticed Khal can easily become kral , meaning king in Turkish . And this link in Turkish suggests it was big news back in the day .

there is this dude who's an horselord of a kind himself that could answer whether his people make a fuss on the subject . Now that the Rohirrim were comparatively late comers and in the present day depiction of Rohan / Koth is supposedly more a match for the Slavs on the edges of the steppes of Asia . To this end ı asked the Lieutenant Colonel commanding the House Cavalry during lunch at the Starfleet headquarters ; he doesn't feel the Game of Thrones is not that insulting and stuff . For the observers , they are here for orbital deployment exercises and their name come from Horse Cavalry , now that the Motorised Cavalry gets to be called the Mouse Cavalry and hence wear helmets with Mickey Mouse ears .
 
Can I just ask one question, Mr r16?

Is being a Turk such an indispensable part of your identity that you take any and all suggestions that the Armenians experienced a genocide ~100 years ago at the hands of the Ottoman Empire, as actually a personal affront?
 
all those mighty glorious dudes who have ruled this country, especially those America forces down the throat , have done a mighty glorious job of sleeping while there has been this "truth" . So glorious they are that the only option left for us is to avoid the use of the very word . Or them evil Armenians will pick each one of us , in any single random web thread , with a "Gotcha!" and increase the number of Turks that have accepted by one . And funnily enough , there are already a hundred or two hundred conspiracies going against the Turks of all kinds ...

in the end it won't make a difference , there will be some kinda somewhat brutal processation and we will all see what happened and what was the truth and stuff . There's nothing to shame me about 1915 on any level ; just wasting my time .


and of course it's supposedly so tough to understand me , let me stress that the number surely didn't go up by one with this post .
 
and the difference it makes ? Being a Turk or at least defining own as one requires me to be an idiot who fails to see the whole truth ? Or maybe it sinks any notion that ı might be opposing 'cause it wasn't like that at all ?

and oh yeah kind of thing to the question of whether this thread works . We now hear the glorious news that the Boko Haram kind of Jihadism is cornered in some forest or jungle , it has run out of ammunition , uses bows and arrows and this explains how the Nigerians have finally managed to save those female captives . The USAF even lets out footage of "ammunition dumps" recently bombed . It would be real ungrateful and stuff of me to point out the that the Nusra kind of Jihadism is "clearing" Idlip so that they are creating a zone of control on our Southern borders , out of which they will sally around as soon as practicable . The Iranians of course feel cheated with that in addition to lack of influence in Yemen ; has led them to board some Maersk ship . Balance of Power , right . America still can not bring itself to fully embrace its creations , knowing well that Jihadists are kinda idiots who easily forget that their remit is killing people America can't openly kill .

and of course the Russians are like they didn't say it . Sarkisyan has been heard that he is ready to talk the protocols of 2009 . ı was all like about telling that he should satisfy himself , but Lord Vader assures me that it would be grossly unfair . Whatever part of Armenia that's not run from Washington belongs to Russia . Who are very unfair in believing that they are uniquely singled out . As a way of character building , Lord Vader forces me to plan a pauper's war . As such ı am certainly limited in logistics with debilated assets . ı have all the rustbuckets , even a starship class of transports built with rivets . ı have a Solar System only class of freighters that actually runs on steam boilers and railroad size pistons for energy , not even turbines . Hence the absolute requirement to combat load only 15 000 tanks and 25 000 kept in reserve for CONUS operations . But still left with a capacity for 50 million tons a lift ; can certainly make it 10 if 1 seems disproportionate to the size and importance of Russia . Call us murderers if you feel like so , stop insulting in the face with tales of how in fact you didn't .

just wasting my time as said . Elections coming , one needs to serve the country by voting or something . We add up to 6 voters , me , my mum and older brother's family . Went up get the papers that have the ballot box numbers and stuff to allow us to vote . Turns out they are somehow missing , in a series that also includes the neighbouring households . Happens all the time , changing places at times . Even if it could well be taken as a badge of honour , ı would say we have honour already .
 
While r16 is cool, i still suspect my theory is correct, regarding Borachio's proposed r16=RAF (first and sixth letter)... :D

^He was a RAF soldier in Iraq who went AWOL to Turkey years ago. In the end he finally figured that the best way to perfect his act of being turkish would be to force himself to forget he isn't.
Thus, on a cold night in the desolate plains of lower Cappadocia, r16 became his new persona.
 
While r16 is cool, i still suspect my theory is correct, regarding Borachio's proposed r16=RAF (first and sixth letter)... :D

we already covered that , didn't we ? Still , let me say that having the 633 around is always cool .
 
hell no . Am the guy who sends up 5000 miles per hour silent subs to track every single boomer out there . The Navy doesn't mind this Starfleet involvement , we are kinda joint .
 
and the difference it makes ? Being a Turk or at least defining own as one requires me to be an idiot who fails to see the whole truth ? Or maybe it sinks any notion that ı might be opposing 'cause it wasn't like that at all ?.

No, indeed, it doesn't make any difference to whether the Armenian genocide actually took place at all.

I was just blindly searching for why it makes such a difference to you personally (as it clearly seems to), that's all.

If it's not because you're a Turk, what is it? A burning desire to reveal the truth of the non-existence of the Armenian genocide to the world, maybe? But then why doesn't everyone else feel this same burning desire? Irrespective of them being a Turk, that is.
 
lord Vader says they are testing me , them Swedes who passed a law 4 or 5 years back calling it a genocide and reportedly they have now withdrawn it . Supposedly because it doesn't fall to politicians to discuss history . In my limited worldview ı attribute that to the thing that SAAB is supposedly designed this all Turkish combat aircraft that will supposedly fly in 2023 . Supposedly an F-22 beater , ı don't know where to start . Maybe from the insult about about beating the F-22 , but never mind . Its only utility can be if we go to war with the likes of Iran , supposedly as cowardly Americans watch the fun from the side ; its size would then provide the means for operations deep in Iran , so that we can beat them towelheads ; never minding we have kinda all become towelheads . The word is used with the confidence that Afro-Americans abuse the N word without restraint . As such the SAAB stuff then becomes a tool of the Counter-Revolution , with people "bought" with the promise of some splendid piece of hardware that will make people proud . So , this is what we get for detailed discussions about the purchase of Viggen back in the day ? Allow me to put Stockholm to task , now that they are asking for it . They are expected , in this cute Starfleet way , to stop working on SAAB thing and declare that they have done so in public . ı don't know why they didn't find the previous thing task enough ; to declare it's a clerical error that Jimmy Carter is believed to have won the Nobel Peace Price and it didn't happen . Neither it's optional , both of them please .
 
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