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do what? there actually are sects that condemn drugs even for life saving medical usage...
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do what? there actually are sects that condemn drugs even for life saving medical usage...
I knew as soon as you asked that question that you would interpret the answer in the most literal way possible, that's what. I know there are some groups opposed to any medical drugs, but they tend to havea somewhat different view of science from us.
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An appeal to historical truth would reveal that all the books of the bible were written quite some time before they were compiled together, and they were written without planning for said compilation. So no, that doesn't contradict at all as John could only possibly be referring to Revelations.
We do not believe Christ and God are "mere men" by any stretch of the imagination.
The highest of which is only for those who have been baptized by those with the authority and have lived in accordance with the baptismal covenant etc. Just because you're LDS doesn't mean you're going there.
We have different doctrine than many Christian churches? So? That doesn't mean we're not Christian. A Christian is a follower of Christ, and that's all there is to it.
I have a testimony of Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior, and our church is His church. That is why I consider myself a Christian. Other men's name-calling and rationalization of the definition is irrelevant and rather far from the spirit of Christianity.
It was given to him by God for the purpose of said revelation.
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I dont know what you see in deuteronomy 4:12, but in devarim 4:12 i see
וַיְדַבֵּר יְהוָה אֲלֵיכֶם, מִתּוֹךְ הָאֵשׁ: קוֹל דְּבָרִים אַתֶּם שֹׁמְעִים, וּתְמוּנָה אֵינְכֶם רֹאִים זוּלָתִי קוֹל.
meaning that god has no body, only a voice to be heard. has nothing to do with not adding books after this.
EDIT: stupid thing moving nekudot over...
That is, of course, because I meant 4:2.
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ah ok, that makes sense.
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Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.
that one? because that was not simply referring to the book of revelations. it was referring to the Pentateuch, the five books of the Torah (which is slightly different from the Old Testament, because the OT was modified a little at Nicaea). That is the 'Bible' in its entirety. Everything else (Prophets, Writings) are just stories. the 613 laws are the 613 laws. that is it.
But of course it is an effective answer to anyone who says that the Bible as it now exists was always essentially one book and that what appears at the end applies to it as a whole.
I'm talking about revelations. Where does it say it in the Torah, do you care to name a passage?
EDIT: Also, you believe Jesus and God are seperate, that they will die. Also, Christians believe salvation is a free gift from God, and you do not have to do any good "works" to attain at as Mormons believe. The bible is also clear there is only one god, none before and none after, as demonstrated in Isaac 43:10, Hos. 11:9, and Mal 3:6 .
And if your not happy with Revelations, the bible is specified as complete and without error in 2 Tim. 3:16, Jude 3, Gal. 1:8, and 2 Pet 1:3
Oh, and believing god actually came down to earth and impregenated Mary isn't particularly in line with standard Christian beliefs either.
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Please, stop telling Mormons what THEY believe. this is YOUR interpretation of their beliefs, not their beliefs.
Sefer Devarim, parashat Va'etchanan, perek ד pasuk ב. (deuteronomy 4:2) "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
Sefer Devarim, parashat Va'etchanan, perek ד pasuk ב. (deuteronomy 4:2) "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you."
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Yes, we believe in a Godhead of three seperate beings who share one purpose.
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Some Christians believe this, others do not. We believe that "faith without works is dead", and one cannot truly be devoted to God if they are not even trying to do what He asks. Just because we belive this does not mean we aren't Christian. The definition of "Christian" you are using is very, very narrow.
I have seen no book of Isaac in the KJV bible. Hosea 11:9 has nothing to do with your claim, nor does Malachai 3:6. If you would like to bible bash, please do it elsewhere.
Once again, these books were written before the bible was compiled and therefore do not refer to the bible as a whole.
Also,
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
We don't.
Please don't troll.
I'm not trolling, simply arguing.
Believing god and Jesus is seperate is very much not in line with christian beliefs. What other sects are you refferring too, the Cathars?
He asks of you to be kind to your neighbor and be a good influence in the world, but you do not have to earn his salvation. That is way Jesus Christ died on the cross.
Believing god and Jesus is seperate is very much not in line with christian beliefs. What other sects are you refferring too, the Cathars?
He asks of you to be kind to your neighbor and be a good influence in the world, but you do not have to earn his salvation. That is way Jesus Christ died on the cross.
Don't you think you should leave it up to God to decide what is and is not proper Christian belief? Some of the darkest chapters of mankind have been caused by people who decided others were heretical and "something should be done about it."
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Please stick to our actual doctrine. We're happy to answer your questions, but we're not happy to be told what we believe.
Beleiving God and Jesus are seperate physical beings may not be in line with most Christian beliefs, but what has that got to do with whether or not we follow Christ?
No. Please also note that "other sects" referred to faith, not the trinity.
I'm not saying we need to earn anything. I'm saying we're supposed to give it our best shot and let Him do the rest. That's what we believe, not that there's some sort of test or that we "earn" our own salvation, if we could do so there would be no need for Christ. Christ came to redeem us and to help us do what we can't on our own, but if we're not trying then we don't deserve His help.
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Yui, can you explain something to me? When we are in the "ASK A MORMON" thread, shouldn't a mormon be answering the questions? As well, shouldn't they be told by their religious leaders, and not you, what they believe in?
for a serious question, how would god and jesus be the same? Isn't Jesus apparently God's son? Is that like saying I am my father? is luke darth vader as well?
my whole system of beliefs is on the line here! 
for a serious question, how would god and jesus be the same? Isn't Jesus apparently God's son? Is that like saying I am my father? is luke darth vader as well?
my whole system of beliefs is on the line here! I'm sorry for having offended anyone, I'm not deciding anything should be "done" about anything except gentlemanly disagreement, and the only reason I find the Mormon faith objectionable is I believe the Bible is the final and only world and no further revisions are necessary. I'm not telling anyone what you believe is wrong, and was merely questioning the definition of Christian. As for the telling you what you believe, I was merely trying to take what I felt was a fair sample of standard Mormon doctrine (I may be wrong, and of course, not everyone agrees with ALL of their churches positions, which I can attest too personally)
and J_eps, Jesus and The Father are one and the same (in most Christian sects.) as well as one with the Holy Spirit. God sent down part of himself to Mary, and then Jesus rejoined with the Father in heaven. And no, you aren't part of your father because you aren't God.
I'm done.
and J_eps, Jesus and The Father are one and the same (in most Christian sects.) as well as one with the Holy Spirit. God sent down part of himself to Mary, and then Jesus rejoined with the Father in heaven. And no, you aren't part of your father because you aren't God.
I'm done.
It is fine to believe that the Bible is the final and only authority (I personally find this view to be inherently contradictory, but whatever). But I think you would do better by saying something like "I heard Mormons believe X, is that true" or "how do Mormons respond to the claim that they are wrong about Y (the Book of Revelations, Joseph Smith's criminal record, what have you)" and you will come off as less confrontational.
I think that there's a misunderstanding of the concept of "faith without works is dead". It's not saying that you must do the works. It's saying that if you have the faith, you will do the works. It's not contradictory to the Bible at all. Some Christians think that salvation is through faith alone, but the truth is, that if you truely had the faith you'd be doing works all the time.
We manifest our faith through our actions. I have faith that the world will be around tomorrow and I manifest this faith by setting my alarm clock. If I told you that I had faith that the world would end tonight, this would be contradicted by my setting of the alarm clock.
The works aren't a necessary component to be saved. They'll just happen if you've got faith.
We manifest our faith through our actions. I have faith that the world will be around tomorrow and I manifest this faith by setting my alarm clock. If I told you that I had faith that the world would end tonight, this would be contradicted by my setting of the alarm clock.
The works aren't a necessary component to be saved. They'll just happen if you've got faith.
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well said.... well said....
(I'm going to have to remember that one for when my friends ask)
Actually, I did get the impression that that is how a lot of people view the matter.
Either way, the important thing is that we don't believe in salvation through works.
Either way, the important thing is that we don't believe in salvation through works.
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But which Bible? Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, Orthodox, Coptic? And which translation?
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