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Leatherneck said:
You and other Iranians should make efforts to contact these sites and tell them what the real story is, I take anything I see on the internet with a grain (block) of salt (which means if you do not know this phrase "to have doubt")
SO why in my country this is child abuse and the parent would go to jail and the child removed and placed in foster care, if what I read you wrote correctly that is what happened in Iran.
As for some of the Iranians other laws they still seem a bit extreme ... cutting off body part for petty crime? Burying and stoning for adultry. In my country adultry is not approved per say, it is for the most part is not illegal in most states maybe all states not sure, but you won't be stoned to death, buried etc ... even those seem rather barbaric.

I don't think they pay attention
they want to show a bad picture of Islam and cause poeple hate Islam but thier doing is resultless
number of Muslims is growing over than every other religion and I heard some where that thouth 40 years number of them reached from 1000 million to a little less than 1500 million

but unless your country in my country looked at adultry like a big crime (for those who marry and have wife or husbend and not for unmarried poeple but I don't mean a unmaried can have sex with an another unmarried)
time needs to changes happens maybe some years later adultry will not a big crime but I don't like that condition
I like my wife only have sex with me and even islam allow man to have multi wife but I don't like to have sex with any woman except my wife but now I'm a unmarried youth and never have sex before

today in Iran number of girls in marriage age is more then boys and therefore some girls have not found husbends if every man marry with a woman
maybe we need export some girl to China because I heard that they have shortage of girl for marraige:D , but in future we will need some more girl because number of boys that grown in 5 or 10 years later and need a girl to marry is less than girls because families liked to have son except of daughter because of damn traditions and in future number of girls will be less than boys and maybe I can't find a nive girl for marrage :( do anybody knows a country that will have extra girl in 5 to 10 years later? we Iranian youth need some of them and promise that take care of them very well.
 
Well Persianboy, they say that the way the population is growing, we will be outnumbered by the ladies in a few years!

By the way, I love that you have made this thread, it is by far the most useful thread on here! Don't fret about your English, either, it's much better than my German, and I've been studying it for years.
You say that converts from Islam to another religion are punished by death? How about if I (a Christian) were to move to Iran? How would I be accepted? How would the general populace of the town feel? Is there any sort of law against other religions?
It makes me wonder, since it seems that the big issue with Islam is other people not worshipping Allah, then why do Christians and Jews and Muslims fight? Allow me to explain.
Both Christianity and Islam draw from the Hebrew Bible, do they not? One could even say that they are both "reformed" versions of Judaism (I know that is oversimplification, but I think you get the drift). Also, the way I understand it, "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for "God," so in context in Arabic, thy refer to Allah as simply "God," in the same way that Christians do their God.
Back to my original point: if we all worship the God from the Hebrew Bible (the Christian Old Testament is the same thing, and I understand that the history of the world and such in Islam comes from the Hebrew Bible), then, even though we have different practices and beliefs concerning particular aspects of worshipping Him, we all worship the same God! So Christians and Jews are not necesarrily "no-believers," just non-practicers of Islam. We still worship the same God that you do.
 
1. PersianBoy, what do you think of these?

http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0042/0042_01.asp
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1054/1054_01.asp
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/0029/0029_01.asp
http://www.chick.com/reading/tracts/1011/1011_01.asp

If you want to know who the author of those are, he's Jack Chick, a complete nutjob. I chose the comics about Islam; he has many more on many subjects.

2. Is death metal music popular in Iran?

3. Don't you think Muslims around the world overreacted to the Danish cartoons? Isn't rioting over cartoons a bit much? Also, isn't freedom of speech (within Muslim nations) more desirable than having censorship, even if you find something offensive?

4. Are you (and other Iranians) happy the US went to war with Iraq? It obviously removed a threat from Iran (Saddam).
 
PersianBoy said:
I don't know how many poeple own a car in Iran but I think about half of families have a car
many families have 2 or more car but no statistics

snap


can I ask you why ask this queation?
I'm simply interested in cars generally.
Apart from that, I'm interested which companies can enter the Iranian market.
Peugeot's 206 is not the newest, 405 is from the 80s and the 504 is from the 70s. The Mercedes Benz 220 isn't new either.

Can foreign car manufacturers export their products to Iran? Or is it mostly second hand?


I also like to ask a light question between the ones about human right, Freedom and democracy :) .
 
Cheezy the Wiz said:
Well Persianboy, they say that the way the population is growing, we will be outnumbered by the ladies in a few years!

By the way, I love that you have made this thread, it is by far the most useful thread on here! Don't fret about your English, either, it's much better than my German, and I've been studying it for years.
You say that converts from Islam to another religion are punished by death? How about if I (a Christian) were to move to Iran? How would I be accepted? How would the general populace of the town feel? Is there any sort of law against other religions?
It makes me wonder, since it seems that the big issue with Islam is other people not worshipping Allah, then why do Christians and Jews and Muslims fight? Allow me to explain.
Both Christianity and Islam draw from the Hebrew Bible, do they not? One could even say that they are both "reformed" versions of Judaism (I know that is oversimplification, but I think you get the drift). Also, the way I understand it, "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for "God," so in context in Arabic, thy refer to Allah as simply "God," in the same way that Christians do their God.
Back to my original point: if we all worship the God from the Hebrew Bible (the Christian Old Testament is the same thing, and I understand that the history of the world and such in Islam comes from the Hebrew Bible), then, even though we have different practices and beliefs concerning particular aspects of worshipping Him, we all worship the same God! So Christians and Jews are not necesarrily "no-believers," just non-practicers of Islam. We still worship the same God that you do.

I've read all three books and I've been asking that same question for years. I'm oversimplifing here too ... The Torah basiclly the Old Teastiment, the Bible the old and new Testiment, the Koran the old, new and the new-new Testiment. Many people that are in one book are in the other. It's like software, Jewish is G_d V1.0 (Note Jews are not allowed to write the name of God I was told once so it's G_d) Christianity is God V2.0
and Islam is God V3.0 ... if this is the case it seems almost as silly as fighting over which version of Windows is best ... that is unless you have re-noused Windows.
 
persianboy said:
It was compeletely false
I saw these pics before and know true story about it
the man behind that poor child is his father and he with his father play in a street show
that father for bad parenting has captured and that poor son go to a safe home provided by government for child like that
all of story is about poverity

Persianboy is correct, this link validates what he says:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/gruesome/crushboy.asp

Outside of this inccident as being cruel, it is not associated with Sharia Law.

I do not understand why these human rights activists have go to great lengths to show the inhumaneness of Sharia Law by providing false propaganda.
There are examples everywhere of the inhumaneness of Sharia Law.

This was a 19 year old women who was sentenced to death for "acts incompatible to chasity".

wiran19.jpg


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/mai...an19.xml&sSheet=/news/2004/12/19/ixworld.html

And just recently a 16 year old girl for having sex with an unmarried man.

http://www.iranfocus.com/modules/news/article.php?storyid=8000
 
PersianBoy said:
IMO Islamic rule exist and no thing else
I don't say anything about it because I never go for someone's wife and don't like homosexual so never some one will want to kill me and think if others do same never need that rules

Ok, so you don't feel concerned about those laws because they are appropriate to your life style (btw, looks like many westeners could live under these laws considering what we read here and there).
But do you recognize they are intolerant towards other life style that are no harm to anybody ?
 
Leatherneck said:
I've read all three books and I've been asking that same question for years. I'm oversimplifing here too ... The Torah basiclly the Old Teastiment, the Bible the old and new Testiment, the Koran the old, new and the new-new Testiment. Many people that are in one book are in the other. It's like software, Jewish is G_d V1.0 (Note Jews are not allowed to write the name of God I was told once so it's G_d) Christianity is God V2.0
and Islam is God V3.0 ... if this is the case it seems almost as silly as fighting over which version of Windows is best ... that is unless you have re-noused Windows.

In addition Jesus is mentioned over 300 times in the Koran. He is a prophet as are 25 others

In Sura 5:50-51 (46-47) Allah says, "And We caused Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, confirming that which was revealed before him and We bestowed on him the Gospel wherein is guidance and a light, confirming that which was (revealed) before it in the Torah -- a guidance and an admonition unto those who ward off evil. Let the People of the Gospel judge by that which Allah hath revealed therein. Whoso judgeth not by that which Allah hath revealed, such are evil-livers."

In Sura 4:162 (164) Mohammed wrote that "Allah spake directly unto Moses." Moses wrote the first five books of the Bible.

In Sura 3:40(45) it is written, "O Mary! Lo! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a word form Him, whose name is the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, illustrious in the world and the Hereafter, and one of those brought near (unto Allah)."

Jesus says in the Koran to "Keep your duty to Allah, and obey me, for Allah is my Lord and your Lord." (Surah 3:50-51 (44)).

In Surah 19:31(30), Jesus says, "I am the slave of Allah! He hath given me the Scripture and hath appointed me a prophet."

Qur'an 4:163-165
163 Lo! We inspire thee (Muhammad) as We inspired Noah and the prophets after him, as We inspired Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the tribes, and Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and as we imparted unto David the Psalms;
164 And messengers We have mentioned unto thee before and messengers We have not mentioned unto thee; and Allah spake directly unto Moses;
165 Messengers of good cheer and off warning, in order that mankind might have no argument against Allah after the messengers. Allah was ever Mighty, Wise.


Qur'an 6:84-86
84 And We bestowed upon him Isaac and Jacob; each of them We guided; and Noah did We guide aforetime; and of his seed (We guided) David and Solomon and Job and Joseph and Moses and Aaron. Thus do We reward the good.
85 And Zachariah and John and Jesus and Elias. Each one (of them) was of the righteous.
86 And Ishmael and Elisha and Jonah and Lot. Each one of them did We prefer above (Our) creatures,


Qur'an 21:85-88
85 And (mention) Ishmael, and Idris (Enoch), and Dhul-Kifl (Ezekiel). All were of the steadfast.
86 And We brought them in unto Our mercy. Lo! they are among the righteous.
87 And (mention) Dhun Nun (Jonah), when he went off in anger and deemed that We had no power over him, but he cried out in the darkness, saying: There is no God save Thee. Be Thou glorified! I have been a wrong-doer.
88 Then We heard his prayer and saved him from the anguish. Thus We save believers.


Qur'an 7:73
And to (the tribe of) Thamud (We sent) their brother Salih. He said: O my people! Serve Allah. Ye have no other God save Him. A wonder from your Lord hath come unto you. Lo! this is the camel of Allah, a token unto you; so let her feed in Allah's earth, and touch her not with hurt lest painful torment seize you.


Qur'an 26:123-125
123 (The tribe of) Aad denied the messengers (of Allah),
124 When their brother Hud said unto them: Will ye not ward off (evil)?
125 Lo! I am a faithful messenger unto you,


There are many more passages that mention Jesus and the prophets of the Jews some attributed to Muhammed himself. A quick internet search will reveal thousands of pages about the Quran and Jesus and the birth of all they are called the Abrahamic religions. Because Isaac and Ishmael(sons of Abraham or Abrahim in the Koran) Are the founders, Isaac of the twelve tribes of Israel and Ishmael a half brother of Isaac with an Arab wife the originator of the Arabs who founded Islam.
 
Sidhe,
Right so how can the radical Islamic call non Islamic of the Abrahamic faiths Infidels? I just don't get it. But without religion what would we have to fight about?
 
Leatherneck said:
Sidhe,
Right so how can the radical Islamic call non Islamic of the Abrahamic faiths Infidels? I just don't get it. But without religion what would we have to fight about?

It bemuses all of us how both sides seem to think that God wants strife and suffering amongst all his people, but it is no longer about religion, it is about politics, and religion has been reinterpreted by Islamic fundementalists, because it suits a political agenda, as far as I can see( Since Muslims rely on there books for there laws and there societies fabric, the fundemetalists need to corrupt them to assure people Jihad is a first resort not a last, as is the case in the Koran) Some Christian faiths have also suggested that Alah is not the same God, although they are a serious minority. It's crazy, but Christians have caused more death than Islamics, something the modern world forgets all too quickly. It would take a better and more studied man than I to understand all the machinations of religous politics.
 
jack chick writes creepy stuff.
hell, moon god? whatever.
any religion can be discounted, best not to think about it.

judaism- suspiciously similar to Atenism of Egypt.
christianity- he was a nazarene [reformed, sorta] jewish rebel.
buddhism- siddharta wuz lyin`.
all of the above isnt certain or proved, by the way.
 
Sidhe said:
It bemuses all of us how both sides seem to think that God wants strife and suffering amongst all his people, but it is no longer about religion, it is about politics, and religion has been reinterpreted by Islamic fundementalists, because it suits a political agenda, as far as I can see( Since Muslims rely on there books for there laws and there societies fabric, the fundemetalists need to corrupt them to assure people Jihad is a first resort not a last, as is the case in the Koran) Some Christian faiths have also suggested that Alah is not the same God, although they are a serious minority. It's crazy, but Christians have caused more death than Islamics, something the modern world forgets all too quickly. It would take a better and more studied man than I to understand all the machinations of religous politics.

Agreed, the crusades killed more people than we'll ever know. But at some point you move beyond that mentality has a civilized people and realize you are in fact defying the word of God and that is not what he wants, I think he fact made a list of what he wanted and "not killing" was on it. I'm not a thumper but I find it oh so interesting.
 
Leatherneck said:
Agreed, the crusades killed more people than we'll ever know. But at some point you move beyond that mentality has a civilized people and realize you are in fact defying the word of God and that is not what he wants, I think he fact made a list of what he wanted and "not killing" was on it. I'm not a thumper but I find it oh so interesting.

It's somewhere in the back ;) I think we're derailing this thread it's OT, there have been alot of threads asking the quesiton is Chrstianity, Islam etc hypocritical, check them out. I too am not a confirmed Christian although I do have an interest in it's history. Anyway let's leave this as it's a bit of a threadjack. Or you could start up a thread if your interested what people here think.

Apologies Persian Boy :)
 
Dear Iranians,

Do you have a local version of Coca Cola or another type of carbonated drink? What is your favorite carbonated drink?

Sincerely,
leonel
 
is Mecca Cola availbale in Iran?
seriously, there is a brand called mecca cola,
started i believe as an alternative for arabic peoples
in the stead of Coca Cola.
 
Okay, so this is the last threadjacking post in your thread, Persianboy.
I started a new thread just for talking about the three Abrahamic religions, it's called The Star, the Crescent, and the Cross. Here is the link.

The Star, the Crescent, and the Cross

BTW, off topic, but we are creating a Civ 3 scenario by the same name as this new thread, so ome check it out when we're done. There's a thread about it in Civ 3 C&C.

Okay Persianboy you can have your thread back now. :D
 
"I think like relation between US and UK"--Persian Boy
Very True. Less Parential but still familial; I myself am mainly British and proud of it. Also I'll tell you something few know; my Mother's First Kousin is Syrian (Syrian Father & American Mother [I also hear that his Father had some Lebanse, unsure though]), I have relates in Syria & Israel better not start thier war mongering with Syria; Israel is 'fishing' for a war. My message to Israel:
Actions Speak Lounder than Words
another is from Jesus the Chirst it is:
Be there fruits ye shall know them
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I'm not Iranian or Muslim but I will say something about that picture site. I don't believe it; who sent it? The Israeli propoganda ministry? The CIA? It tells you to spread the news about Islam; obviously it has one purpose; to enbitter Westerners against Muslims; it is made to incite hate & anger. I think that all these pictures of women & children getting killed is ethier out of context or false propoganda.
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Question(s):
1. Do Iranians support Chinese Communism (then again why would you? It prohibts religion)?
2. Does the Iranian Government prohibt Americans from going to Iran?
3. Can a known Arab or other traditionally Muslim ethnic person become a follower of Islam?
4. Does Iran use the same musical scale as the Arabs? If so could you explain it to me?
5. Why don't you call your country "Persia"?
6. As an economist what is your view on the Iranian economy?
Thanks
 
Cheezy the Wiz said:
You say that converts from Islam to another religion are punished by death? How about if I (a Christian) were to move to Iran? How would I be accepted? How would the general populace of the town feel? Is there any sort of law against other religions?

if a muslim convert to other religions, it will be punished by death but this have too many condition and I don't know exactly
but I think every one who say Ashhadain (means saying there is not any God except Allah and Muhammad is messenger of God) don't means he became a muslim and if after saying these words, want to convert from Islam to other religions must punished with death
muslims and Islamic government only fight with whom wanna to fight with them and everyone in any religion who don't say bad things about Allah or Muhammad or Islam can come between muslims and travel freely in Islamic countries (spies are exception)
these rules are like rules in western countries now
but about Jezia (like a tax, Islamic government take from non mulim) I must say that every man in Islam must pay tax, Muslims pay Khoms and Zaka and Non muslims pay Jazia
I don't know about them very much because only poeples who have extra money must pay Khoms and Zaka and I have not yet extra money to pay 1/5 of it for Khoms and some espicial things to pay Zaka and for fetrie my father pays up to now

I you travel to Iran you will be wellcomed as atourist (after passing some bourocratic steps) but for living in Iran this will be hard, population of iran is know high enough to prevent from immigration
but like other places and countries if you have money or wanna to build factory or building business, You will be wellcomed
no diffrence you be christian or other but like any places if you are a Shi'a persian Muslim they give you permission easiely oops Shi'a persian muslims means iranians migrate before and now wanna to come back

if a muslim convet to christian for example no one goes in back of him and he or she can go another place and live there and no muslim come after him for killing him maybe can say that other muslims don't like to see him

other religion are free but some poeple of country may have difficulties (I mean Israel)

no law against other religion and in religious things judge them according thier religions (I don't know how)

in addition I must remind that all thing about religion I said is according Shi'a and maybe differ for Sunnis
 
Cheezy the Wiz said:
It makes me wonder, since it seems that the big issue with Islam is other people not worshipping Allah, then why do Christians and Jews and Muslims fight? Allow me to explain.
Both Christianity and Islam draw from the Hebrew Bible, do they not? One could even say that they are both "reformed" versions of Judaism (I know that is oversimplification, but I think you get the drift). Also, the way I understand it, "Allah" is simply the Arabic word for "God," so in context in Arabic, thy refer to Allah as simply "God," in the same way that Christians do their God.
Back to my original point: if we all worship the God from the Hebrew Bible (the Christian Old Testament is the same thing, and I understand that the history of the world and such in Islam comes from the Hebrew Bible), then, even though we have different practices and beliefs concerning particular aspects of worshipping Him, we all worship the same God! So Christians and Jews are not necesarrily "no-believers," just non-practicers of Islam. We still worship the same God that you do.
we all don't worship the God from the Hebrew Bible but from Abaraham
I read some where that I don't remeber now where was it that Abraham and his faith immigrate from Babion to some where that today call palestine or Israel and Later Jacub and Josef are from Abraham's race (poeple migrated from Bablion to palestine
so by your logic it is better that worship all of muslims, christians and jews in version of Abraham
but this doing is like saying windows 98 or maybe MS DOS is better than windows XP
I accept that Islam and Christian using jews religious lecture and texts and Islam use christian religious text and lecture as windows XP have fundamentals from DOS but I don't like usage windows 98 except of window XP

in Islam has believe that God send for humans 124000 massenger and prophit including: Muses, Jesus, Muhammad, David, Zorthasht (prophet of anceint persians) and every other that you say
all of this prophets invite poeple to pray god and don't fellow Satan and concept of all massages of prophets are the same but understandings of people is diffrent
IMO all religions are like child of a man and some day in past that father say an important things to all his child and now that father is not between childs but can see and hear them, now in absence of great father jewish son say that father said us BLAH BALH but christian boy louldly say NO FATHER SAY US BALH BLAH and muslim boy with anger says HALB HLAB
and some minutes later they are fighting with each other
I belive in Muhammad because he was last person that met graet father, you can believe Muses because maybe you think he is older than others and any one else believe that Jesus is correct because he was favorite son of great father
I don't mean prophets misgive us massages of God but mean we poeples of world mistake the massage of God.
I wish you can understand what I said and can take my concept

I don't know very much about death penalty of converted EX-Muslims


ps: Do you have any informatio about prophets of non ME in Bible or other religious text of yourself?
I mean sometime I interested to know that who was the prophit of places like America or China. But can not find any thing in Islamic religious text and only find in them that all tribes and races of men have a massenger from God but only siad and refferd to prophets of ME region. do you know that your holy texts gives you some refrence to them.
I always think that why in Quran and other religous text of Islam and even christian and Jewish texts(I read some part of Bible in my university liberary but its near 4 or 5 hunderd pages in persian language and I have not enough Time to read bible completely)
so can I ask you and others in this site that read Bible and other religious texts, IS IN THEM IS A REFFRENCE FOR PROPHTES OF OTHER REGIONS AND ALSO WHOM FROM CHINA OR NATIVE AMERCA THAT THIER HOLY BOOKS REFER TO PROPHET OR RELIGIONS OF OTHER REGIONS?
(seems that on that time connection between poeple is very weak and God didn't want to poeples know of others in other regions!!!!)
In Islam we have only information about prophets of ME region.
 
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