Aspiring Rapper's MAFIA- Game Thread

[Cuthillius]

So I've reviewed everyone's votes thus far, and I've noticed that choxorn and Zack have been on every single bandwagon (except for choxorn on the lassie-mat93 tie), and landlubber, cass, and BL have been on absolutely none, although landlubber's not voted since day 2. I think vote:cass is one of our scum, and at least one of choxorn and legato is a scum buddy of his.
The consistent accusation in my experience is a good way to not give useful voting data to others if/when you die, and by including one of his buddies in there, he looks more cleared if they die, and they look more cleared if he dies.

I agree with this 100%.

 

[Cuthillius]

I will put my money etc. vote:cass

 

[Glossysushi]

So I've reviewed everyone's votes thus far, and I've noticed that choxorn and Zack have been on every single bandwagon (except for choxorn on the lassie-mat93 tie), and landlubber, cass, and BL have been on absolutely none, although landlubber's not voted since day 2. I think vote:cass is one of our scum, and at least one of choxorn and legato is a scum buddy of his.
The consistent accusation in my experience is a good way to not give useful voting data to others if/when you die, and by including one of his buddies in there, he looks more cleared if they die, and they look more cleared if he dies.

You can be town, along with Cuth.

Zack is still town.

Backwards Logic's vote on me (OMGUS), lack of content, complaining about the thread speed, and all of the above seem to be mere excuses for what he's been doing (not much), and seem to be lazy. What is wrong with following a town read, especially since every town Visor's defended has been town?

The Kennigit v.2 is less okay than v.1. Take a look at his trying to use NK logic to determine who may or may not be teamed. That is often WIFOM, and those who were killed were obvious townies. Reading too much into why they were killed may not be useful. What is also interesting is his focus on me, just because I was voted by those who were NKed. That is a pretty weak accusation.


I dislike choxorn's tone and early game play/lack thereof. What he has been doing has been looking a lot better, but certain things he's been saying make me feel like he is trying to say the easy things to say - pointing out obvious weak reasoning and buddying people against his scum reads. It seems that he is tailoring what he's saying towards a specific audience each time that he replies to someone.

Cass's post yesterday about needing to take a look at me today is extremely scummy. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but why would she know that I'd be alive today to be looked at? I have made that kind of post before as scum, and this seems like a slip. Relying on her recent game with me to cloud her thoughts about my alignment, allowing her the margin of error to read me incorrectly because of how well I played is a very easy thing to do for scum, and does not look good with her low activity. As town, she will try to be more present, cares more about the game, and makes excuses for not being here.

In conjunction with that post, KingMorgan's reasoning for thinking that both Cass and I are scum is extremely weak - that we're both alive. A lot of his reads seem to be for different reasons compared to his earlier play - for which he flipped town.

Lohrenswald has not been doing anything recently. Besides his scum reads of Visor and me, he has said that he knows nothing else. Though he may be a new player, that is no excuse for now not having any idea, especially with the amount of information that has already flipped. Not knowing what reads to have is often more scummy than townie, especially because scum will know everything, and making things up will ring a little false, especially for newer players, and be especially hard to pull off.

Edse has not done anything that I can remember of. He would have been in the same category as Autolycus and BSmith, but they actually showed up and started to put in work. Lo and behold, BSmith was NKed.


WTL: Cass> Backwards Logic > Kenniget > KingMorgan > Lohrenswald > choxorn > edse

 

[Glossysushi]

Vote: Cass

 

[Glossysushi]

Legato has also fallen off a cliff recently, so I would be willing to consolidate there as well.

 

[Murska]

Vote Lohr until I decide which wagon I prefer.

This on two wagons that look rather likely to have been two Town. (Unless Zack is scum) Then he voted on Zack to preserve Backwards Logic, who was shaping up as a third CFD wagon.

Vote: Legato Endless on my part.

 

[Zack]

Cass's post yesterday about needing to take a look at me today is extremely scummy. Maybe I'm reading too much into it, but why would she know that I'd be alive today to be looked at? I have made that kind of post before as scum, and this seems like a slip.

Ooh, I like that.

Vote: Cass

Here is the relevant post fyi

I'm going with that even though it's too late to make a difference. Vote: Choxorn.

IMO Sushi needs to be looked at closely tomorrow.

 

[Kennigit]

Here's where I'm at atp with everyone left on the board.

TOWNISH
Zack -D1 - Needs ISO. First impression is Towny/doesn't fabricate reads/doing actual work to check things out etc. Back and forth with LL #645, #646, #655, #656, #659, #660. ? WIFOM push at Visor #1478, Votes Lassie for defence of Suhsi -need to check out post and place on train. D2 Questions Sushi's Pouter sheeping onto Mat, does obvious work in checking it out #1351, #1352, #1363 - unlikely W/W; questions why Visor/Mat after push for CFD Choxorn.

Glossysushi - Needs ISO/read linked Town game. Some weird pushes/cases on me, didn't seem interested earlier ?overwhelmed/bias, EoD1 beginning D2 good questioning, mindmeld thought process demonstrated ITT. CFD to Choxorn but ?too late.

Lohrenswald - based on early feels - needs ISO. Voted Lassie EoD1

NULL
Bsmith - Four posts, talk about volume, no leans but would lean away from Visor vote. Vote Arakhor, Cuth or Arakhor top choices (first on train/day before EoD1/Arakhor lynch). Interest in Visor calling him Town is slightly Towny. Weighs in at EoD, suggests Arakhor better to discuss -good point, sees no reason to remove vote.

Murska - Needs review. Didn't like his entry post. Reasoning given with vote on Choxorn was prod - liked this/independent thought process . Later says main reason was because he found him mostly scummy. Only elaborated on Choxorn once vote was highlighted as scummy. Not really much to lean him either way without flips. Current suspicion probably mostly tinfoil. Like that he's not giving Visor a pass for changing his behaviour. His switch to Al Sips fits with his earlier WTL but reasoning is weak/Al Sips easy lynch. Voted Arakhor EoD, need to check placement and progression.

Sooh - relatively MIA D1 (DM game), doesn't share scum-lean on Lassie early on, makes good points wrt Glossy being outside scum meta, sheeps Glossy. Can't remember other reads. CFD'd to Choxorn sheeping Sushi. Need ISO/want to see more.

Landlubber - ISO complete to #1415 p36 Adamant about marked difference between Visor's early and later play. Vote consistent with focus. Sudden unvote #509 'behaviour isn't scummy anymore'. Back and forth with Zack towny tone. Votes Lassie EoD. Progression to vote on Lassie very vague in comparison to other votes (Visor, Al Sips). D2 - starts with re-vote on Lassie then reconsiders, moves to Mat. No reasons given thus far.

Mat93 - Need to read. Impression is large, mostly fluff posts with little hunt/focus. ?too many other players with vague suspicion. Voted Arakhor. ?slip 'other wolves'

Jarrema - Needs ISO . Votes Visor off the bat, backs it up after catch-up (high activity/not typical Visor style. I don't know what's happening to him).Votes Lassie sheeping Zack . Pushes Visor #329 - @Visor - such activity is not helpful. Lassie, you are second in the line. (Why Lassie?? GS higher post count). Hammer on Arakhor over Choxorn

Lassie - Needs ISO. Answers questions. Name thing/initial scum read on me for vote off. Lock Town Sushi, concern with my read of her seems OTT considering I'm not voting there. Switches between Arakhor and Choxorn CFD and back slightly suss. Makes sense from Town perspective that you try and keep yourself in the game but eh.D2 attitude/reads no reasons, no investigation demonstrated ITT.


SCUMMY
Cuthilius - Need actual ISO, since have just being going on impressions here and there. Defence of me sus but probably null, push on Edse and then 180 suspicious (questioned). Flipflops on Legato middle-end D1, V

Xym - thread consensusy, says not caught up but posts thought-out posts, sheeps Kennigit on and off Arakhor. Unvote post ?buddyish/ATE. Questioned here with no replies. Vote on Al Sips seems bandwaggony/sus. Asked why vote Al Sips, no replies. Scummy.

Edse - much the same as last game, overly consensusy, low posting with opportunistic votes. Train dropped by Cuth after pointed out may be easy mislynch;

Newyn - D1 - possibly worst in involvement in early Cuth/Newyn/Visor 'fellow' wolf thing. Starts it after ?obvRVS vote on Visor by Cuth, continues it beyond both Visor/Cuth. Two posts since then: Fluff with Lassie early on, joins rapid vote train on Lassie, mostly for attitude.

Choxorn - Lack of effort/questionning/analysis. Makes excuses due to volume. Sheeps Pouter to FoS Glossy.

Visorslash - prolonged 'I'm Scummy/dragging me into the 'we're on a scum team' thing out of the blue; several FoS at me but not elaborated/very little questioning, the 'don't want to put in effort' vibe followed by the switch under pressure. Has missed answering some questions, particularly wrt Cuth. Don't mind push on Al Sips, voted Arakhor amongst lols away from here at EoD. Reads on Tak and Choxorn concerning.

Kingmorgan - lack of reasoning/progression on WTL, don't trust/understand stance on Visor. Votes Lassie 5th into original fast train over Al Sips (WTL) with null reasoning and never having mentioned Lassie before. Replied to questions, initially missed some, didn't provide all reasons.

Al sipsclar - Nothing like last game so far ?due to volume. FoS at me and quick resolve, doesn't answer questions. Sheeps onto
Choxorn @EOD1. Says not following thread but doesn't like Lassie/Arakhor wagons. Expected him to have commented/questioned something else by now.

Legato endless -Provides Meta read on Cuth/Edse but reconsidering motive -? TMI/Scum, TMI? Low-work reads, hedgy pushes as per ISO. EoD Vote on Edse.


NO IDEA
Autolycus - One post. Votes Zack on cursory scan. Doesn't answer why.

Golden1knight - One post ?'random' vote on Cuth

Backwards logic - Two posts. Entry votes Edse for opportunism (mislynch of Zack vote). Frustration with volume/meta. ?genuine?

Takhisis - Needs ISO. Impression is much like last time - he be lollin' and not much else. Several soft-push questions/statements. Votes off wagon on Sushi.

I'm kind of scared of this outcome

 

[choxorn]

That Cass post didn't trip me up quite as much as it tripped you two up, but considering the things that have been pinging me this game (Al and Lassie, mostly), maybe my scumdar needs to be rechecked.

I'm still more suspicious of Kennigit, BL, and Cuthillius, though. Call it gut feeling, but Kennigit just seems off, BL is acting exactly like I'd expect scum BL to act, and Cuthillius's votes yesterday were pretty odd, like, why would a townie keep switching around seemingly just to follow whatever the dominant opinion in the thread was?

Gah, I really don't know what to do.

Vote: Kennigit

 

[landlubber]

landlubber's not voted since day 2.

I'm fairly certain that Day 5 is the only day I've missed. Correct me if I'm wrong.
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Vote:Cuth's responses to Zack are really really flinchy to me. I have a hard time believing that Cass, arguably the most helpful townie in this entire game, could be scum. If she is, it's been a hell of a performance so far.

 

[Zack]

Helpful in what way? How has any townie been helpful?

 

[Legato Endless]

His claim of a second full doctor was ridiculous even if it turned out to be true.

This at least is true, that claim was nonsensical and I'm still lost on how it works. We're missing something, although the complete reversal over yesterday's reaction is...noted.

Glossy
Cass
Choxorn
Lohr

Glossy still confuses me as a scum, and Lohr might be a good policy lynch depending on breathing room. The other two are fine...although Chox being essentially night kill immune thanks to background emission suspicion is something to consider.

Backwards Logic's vote on me (OMGUS), lack of content, complaining about the thread speed, and all of the above seem to be mere excuses for what he's been doing (not much), and seem to be lazy. What is wrong with following a town read, especially since every town Visor's defended has been town?

Why follow at all? Backwards is pretty damn pathetic for this to be a long term ploy, although given the state of affairs, it's meh for a medium term gambit. He's come in, given a brief activity as he cared, and he certainly hasn't lurked or poked up at suspicious times. If he's floating, it's a very dedicated job against his meta as I understand it. Then again, I'm confused by everyone who has strong reads on the posters with less than double digit numbers in the game.

This on two wagons that look rather likely to have been two Town. (Unless Zack is scum) Then he voted on Zack to preserve Backwards Logic, who was shaping up as a third CFD wagon.

Vote: Legato Endless on my part.

Zack is scum. The way his wagon steered out of the way despite a pretty strong scum read which was then deemphasized and BL was offered instead before the doctor claim sealed Al is not natural. That doesn't happen without external manipulation. The hive mind is never that elegant.

Vote: Zack

Ooh, I like that.

Vote: Cass

This is either wrong or bussing. I'm kind of sympathetic to the latter...but the ease with which this comes off is giving me hesitation.

Helpful in what way? How has any townie been helpful?

Well, she certainly couldn't win the least helpful town still alive award, for all her weird reaction earlier...

 

[Zack]

This at least is true, that claim was nonsensical and I'm still lost on how it works. We're missing something, although the complete reversal over yesterday's reaction is...noted.

What reversal?

Why follow at all? Backwards is pretty damn pathetic for this to be a long term ploy, although given the state of affairs, it's meh for a medium term gambit. He's come in, given a brief activity as he cared, and he certainly hasn't lurked or poked up at suspicious times. If he's floating, it's a very dedicated job against his meta as I understand it. Then again, I'm confused by everyone who has strong reads on the posters with less than double digit numbers in the game.

It's well within his scum meta.

Zack is scum. The way his wagon steered out of the way despite a pretty strong scum read which was then deemphasized and BL was offered instead before the doctor claim sealed Al is not natural. That doesn't happen without external manipulation. The hive mind is never that elegant.

Vote: Zack

It's definitely not the first wagon that lost steam and/or was overtaken by another. See Arakhor, Lassie, Al Sipsclar - all wagons that had concerted counter-wagons, some on multiple days.

This is either wrong or bussing. I'm kind of sympathetic to the latter...but the ease with which this comes off is giving me hesitation.

See:

Anyways, considering I've been consistently wrong at every turn. I'll step back and let someone else lead the charge today.

 

[choxorn]

It's definitely not the first wagon that lost steam and/or was overtaken by another. See Arakhor, Lassie, Al Sipsclar - all wagons that had concerted counter-wagons, some on multiple days.

Yeah. The "hive mind" successfully saved Mat and lynched Lassie (both townies), and also tried to get me lynched instead of Arakhor- and I know that both me and Arakhor are townies. The Al/Zack thing from yesterday could easily be the same.

 

[choxorn]

*saved Lassie and lynched Mat, I should say. I got that backwards.

 

[Glossysushi]

I still don't understand why y'all lynched Al the other day. Which scum in their right mind claims that kind of role, with a doctor already flipped?
I wasn't able to be around for EOD because of classes, but the wagon on him seems townie led, especially because the same thing happened to Arakhor D1. That's why I attempted to cfd onto someone else who was scummy, in order to protect a claimed power role.

Maybe you guys should stop lynching people because of their claims. (I'll say this, and some scum will try to use this, I guarantee, lolololol.)

Some claims just ring with honesty, and some don't. I'd say for this game, that all claims we've had so far have been pretty believable, and it makes no sense for dying scum to refuse to go in depth about their 'role' (Arakhor) and no sense for dying scum to claim a role that would have looked suspect because one of its kind had already flipped (Al Sips).

 

[Glossysushi]

Oh, but now that we know more about the set up, and doctor seems to be a recurring theme, the next doctor claim is likely to come from scum.

 

[Glossysushi]

Also! If you think I'm scum, then vote me. Do not vote someone else just because they're easier to lynch. That, my dears, is scummy. You can go die between a rock and a hard place if you want to go down that route.

 

[Glossysushi]

This on two wagons that look rather likely to have been two Town. (Unless Zack is scum) Then he voted on Zack to preserve Backwards Logic, who was shaping up as a third CFD wagon.

Vote: Legato Endless on my part.

I agree with this!

It looks like we could go Cass or Legato today.

Please do not lynch Zack. -.-

Way to lynch all the top posters with lots of effort (it's my fault too, ugh).

 

[Glossysushi]

WE ARE NOT LYNCHING ZACK TODAY.

Feel free to go for Cass, Legato Endless, Backwards Logic, Kennigit.

Choxorn looking better because of his post #2149.

Don't understand landlubber's comment on how Cass has been the most helpful townie, ever. To be correct, the reason she's been more helpful than some of the rest of us is that she has stayed out of the way and not helped lynch townies. XD

Is that really something townie?