Aspiring Rapper's MAFIA- Game Thread

[Cuthillius]

Cuth - Why follow anyone/Murska? What are your own reads and thoughts right now?

Again, I'm not quite sure to think, and by following Murska's guidance on something that gives me more of a feel for his alignment.

 

[Cuthillius]

Oh, hey, 7 pages. I'm busy today btw, sorry.

I think that Kennigit, Lassie look good to me.
The rest though, I have no leans either way. Visor looks like other games I've played with him before.

I'll pressure Vote: Arakhor for now because Kennigit's point earlier was good and I agree.
I'll be back later in the day phase. ^.^

I find it interesting how he pops in this far and townreads three towns.

 

[Cuthillius]

Ugh, it's impossible to find anything from reading through the first day because all the posters are either dead or the other high posters which I for the most part find Town.

 

[Legato Endless]

I'm not saying incompetence, just a couple sloppy thing I disagree with

eg yesterday cass was saying "why would a scum ever bandwagon off a townie" which kind of ignored the fact that mafia games are multiple game phases and the best result is not necessarily the result for only that phase (day 1 in that case)

I'm being a bit hyperbolic. I do that.

This felt... weirdly PIS-y to me, Zack seems like he's unconsciously implying that he knows that at least one scum is a lurker with the "That one scum being a lurker" part, but maybe I'm just reading too much into it and he was saying that Legato was implying one lurker-scum means more lurker-scum, not that there had to be a lurker scum.

It still pinged me a bit, though.

Noted.

 

[Kennigit]

In my deepest of hearts i have to credit chixorn as townie in part because he has come in to vote for me in his first posts both this day phase and the previous day phase

I really, really don't think a scum would think getting a case on me would be successful.

If auto is lazy town, I am town, choxorn is town, by extension perhaps cuthillius is town (he sloppily tacked on a second vote on me after choxorn), that makes the scum combinations greatly reduced

Choxorn is the key I think. As auto pointed out he has voted on every major wagon (so has Zack). When scum teams have like 4-6 people they rarely like to cluster. They are too scared to.

I will not be able to look dig through the thread while at work, but i really ask someone to go through the color codings I keep posting and vote progressions by cass and think, "what scum would be afraid to cluster with the other scum?"

 

[Kennigit]

I.e. either choxorn is a town, or he is fulfilling the role of "i'll be the scum that goes ahead and hops on the major wagons--you guys spread out"

 

[Kennigit]

Think of the scum as a 90's boy band:

You got roles to play. The "nice" one. The "bad boy". The "hip hopper". The "cool one".

They don't like to play the same roles as each other.

 

[Cass_]

OMG vote progressions/being stuck back on D1 is driving me crazy. Thoughts along the way:

I'm not a fan but still not sure on Sushi. Her early tone/mannerisms (not using player names etc, being abrasive etc) ping me so so bad, as does the tendency to fling out reads with such confidence so early on, eg Scum lean on me and Visor and a Town lean on Lassie straight away (especially if it's true they'd only played one game together before this). However, re-reading I came across

She was actively patronising and and all that, unlikely she would take such a line as scum, certainly wouldn't win any friends. I think she is town and I don't want her voted.

Her content isn't exactly amazing, but its the way she went about it which is the real indicator IMO.

and I have to agree with the bold here. Does scum playing on a new forum come in here like that/immediately playing TWTBAW? Part of me says no. Part of me says Glossy might, to shake up her meta. I'm still torn between reading it as TMI and confident Town.

So now I know the pain of those who have complained the thread is too large. There's probably a couple of things I didn't catch up.

but anyway:

What do y'all mean high posters?

Lohr says he's only played Town so far, and early game gives me the impression that he's trying a bit to hard for lols - which is something I associate with/think could be expected if this is his first scum game. This post stands out because it implies he's read up/done work, but actually provides no conclusions/thoughts whatsoever. Slightly scummy.

Yep, I was away this weekend And man, we have a lot of posts already! Based on a very cursory scan, I'll vote Zack.

I don't think this was elaborated on even if it was questioned. For some reason the fact that Edse and Auto both voted Zack out the gate (Edse claims joke vote, Auto claims cursory scan) seems strange/possibly distancey to me aorn.


and FWIW I don't think these players are partnered W-W based on the noted posts.

Cuth and Newyn #124
Zack and Glossy #227
Zack and LL #536, #643, #658 etc etc


Possible soft defence/WW/WIFOM
#451Glossy possibly siding with Murska/WW/WIFOM?
#509 Landlubber defending BL?

 

[Lohrenswald]

What have I said that's weird? Why do you want to lynch me because of it?

So much in general is so very specific, indeed. Can you not come up with a better reason?

I don't really know how I can make a case of it, since you've made over 400 posts. And as a result, none of them seems to stand out. It all kind of melts together.
It seems like you go around accusing anyone rather arbitrarily.
And I don't know how to think of your ecstatic behaviour. Is it an enthusiastic town? A mafia wanting to seem like enthusiastic town? A town who for some reason wants to seem like a mafia that wants to seem like enthusiastic town? Or a mafia wearing that last option as a disguise?
You are like Visorslash, you almost just seem inherently mafia-like to me.
And not to mention several of your posts have been useless, in the vain of "wait! Does he look scum? Or does that make me look scum? Lololololol"

And cass, I think I have explained my leanings to the best of my ability, or at least to the extent explaining them is useful.

 

[Glossysushi]

Uh, Visor was town. You know that, right?

 

[Lohrenswald]

Yes, but he never seems so to me

 

[Glossysushi]

Kill Cass with fire.

Earlier in the game she town read me for the very things she is saying she's scum reading me for.

Auto is town.

Out of the blue suspicion on Lohren because other people are sussing him looks bad as well.

Also, Lohren, I ask everyone questions, and adapt my reads to fit them. If you can't keep up to only 400 posts, and can't build a case on me, there's no reason for you to scum read me, as you did for Visor. And looool, wasn't he town?/

 

[Lohrenswald]

I dunno, you seem to mostly be flailing.
Also don't belittle me for not wanting to read your 400 bloody posts again. I have real concerns that keep me busy, and when I have free time there are a lot far more enjoyable things to do.

I know Visorslash was town, but you aren't him, are you?

 

[Legato Endless]

Choxorn is the key I think. As auto pointed out he has voted on every major wagon (so has Zack). When scum teams have like 4-6 people they rarely like to cluster. They are too scared to.

It's not 6. That's way too high. Double kill in play, only a few power roles compared to the sea of vanilla. A lot of signal incoherence I think. Still feels like too many dinner parties. When a scum flips, guilt by association becomes a thing. Until then, this is all just floating.

Think of the scum as a 90's boy band:

You got roles to play. The "nice" one. The "bad boy". The "hip hopper". The "cool one".

They don't like to play the same roles as each other.

I...actually I'd like to hear your assertions of the players as potential 90s boy bands. Mostly for the imagery.

I'm not a fan but still not sure on Sushi.

I'm having a great difficulty imagining town saying, paint these 7 people and we're good for today. It makes less sense every time I think about it. I need that comment explained before I feel comfortably moving her anywhere near to town.

and FWIW I don't think these players are partnered W-W based on the noted posts.

Cuth and Newyn #124
Zack and Glossy #227
Zack and LL #536, #643, #658 etc etc


Possible soft defence/WW/WIFOM
#451Glossy possibly siding with Murska/WW/WIFOM?
#509 Landlubber defending BL?

Wait, is this a formulation argument that actually makes sense? Thread Blasphemy. Will check out later. As for Sushi, maybe I'm rationalizing my suspicion, but I'm not very comforted by recent events.

Uh, Visor was town. You know that, right?

Explains already known factor. That's fairly neutral arguably in a thread this big, but it being brandished like some minor gotcha looks a bit scummy.

Kill Cass with fire.

Kenny is the only person I feel comfortable sounding this confident at this stage as town, because he's explicitly coming at this with a theory he's trying to prove.

Also, Lohren, I ask everyone questions, and adapt my reads to fit them. If you can't keep up to only 400 posts, and can't build a case on me, there's no reason for you to scum read me, as you did for Visor. And looool, wasn't he town?/

And this argument is nonsensical. An abstraction is not nullified by a lack of concrete evidence. Now, Lohr looks like mush. No complaint there, and nothing she's posted gives any confidence to me. But it would honestly look more strange to me if Lohr suddenly gave a concrete cited case against someone than keeping up with the infuriatingly broad strokes she's painting.

Sushi, could you explain precisely what you mean with how you think Cass' current read on you isn't genuine in light of earlier events? I need the specifics laid out for me because right now it sounds too nebulous. If I missed it earlier, apologies.

 

[Askthepizzaguy]

autolycus Cass_
backwards logic Zack
cass_ Not voting
choxorn Kennigit
cuthilius Cass_
edse Cass_
glossysushi Cass_
Kennigit vol. 2 Glossy
KingMorgan vol. 2 Not Voting
landlubber Cuthillius
legato endless Zack
lohrenswald Zack
murska Legato Endless
zack Cass_

Cass_: 5
Zack: 3
Kennigit, Legato, Glossy, Cuthillius: 1

Not voting: 2



Quick n dirty tally

 

[Legato Endless]

2 hours till end of day.

 

[KingMorgan]

Vote: Cass_

IMO been on the edge of scummyness for a longtime now.

 

[Zack]

You seemed very willing to lynch me until late yesterday, KingMorgan. What changed your mind?

 

[Cass_]

Id have to look at the time and my previous posts but i had no reason to vote for others. I assume cuthillius had a vote on him so i probably was stacking that so a counter wagon could form while i was away

I find it slightly suspect that you can't remember/won't comment on your progression on Cuth here.
WRT bold - In the post immediately before the Cuth vote you mentioned being suspicious of Zack, Me, Lassie, Visor. There was no mention of Cuth. Then you came back and voted him with no reason. He had one vote on him (Auto), but he wasn't one of the most viable wagons if that was what you were looking for. My thought process is that your vote didn't relate to any of your immediately previous FoS/WTL, you gave no reason for the vote, and it looks to me like you could've been staying off the main wagons on purpose.

I'm not saying incompetence, just a couple sloppy thing I disagree with

eg yesterday cass was saying "why would a scum ever bandwagon off a townie" which kind of ignored the fact that mafia games are multiple game phases and the best result is not necessarily the result for only that phase (day 1 in that case)

Don't misrep me . There's a considerable difference between "why would a scum ever bandwagon off a townie" and what I questioned/expressed there. I mainly disagreed with your reasoning that Chox is more likely Town simply because he was the focus of the CFD. IMO Chox looks scummy rather than Town for reasons mentioned when I voted and the way suspicion was potentially directed away from him after that post. I don't see the CFD itself leaning him more one way than the other at this point. The votes on him never even made it close to matching Arakhor and theoretically his train could have been the perfect place for off-wagon scum to hide, regardless of his alignment.

I do see what you're saying in theory wrt scum bandwagoning off townies, but I'll maintain that I don't see Scum actually CFDing Town!Chox away from PR!d Arakhor at EoD1 there while they could get him lynched.


IMO, the best place to look today would be between Choxorn, Murska, Xym/KM2 and Zack as I seriously doubt the Arakhor lynch went through without at least one scumbro on board. TBH I'd be most willing to lynch from any of those four today.

Secondary to that, I'd be looking at Cuth and Glossy - off wagoners who waited until Arakhor was well in the lead to move their final votes onto Chox.

 

[Cass_]

QUOTE=Kennigit;14157105]to be fair to glossy, she continues to bring up that visor's incorrect read post from day 1 is somehow good logic even today in post #2143 after that has been thoroughly discredited
but I don't think that is the same kind of slip[/QUOTE]

Tbqf, Glossy is a very smart and mafia-confident chick and her sticking to flawed logic is something that makes me lean her towards scum.

Cass you seem to know way too much about trains than you should, and why the top candidates in trains are certainly town and not a good lynch. (1)

also I don't know if what autolycus said about scum using a consistent vote to hide could be very insightful (2)

Cass has been going choxorn over and over
Lohr went to lassie on 3 out of 4 votes

all roads point to cass/lohr/glossy, I swear

Numbers added for reference
1. I know nothing about the trains for certain. But I am observant and analytical. I never once suggested I was certain that the top candidates were 'certainly town' - look at the posts you quoted. All I have done is follow and provide cases/reasons for my two strongest scum leans, query fast-moving trains and refuse to vote for claimed PRs or wagons I found dodgy. Like a good Townie should do. I've also pushed my scum leans and encouraged an alternate for the lynch/CFD to boot. That's not exactly consistent with scum motivation of avoiding attention. Get back to me if I stop trying to understand where players are coming from, providing opinions for you to judge me by, or if everyone I suggest as an alternate is proven Town.

2. The consistent vote to hide thing could be insightful. Explain to me why it would make more sense to vote me over Lohr, given that his choice of 3/4 votes flipped Town, while my choice of 2/4 are both potentially scummy and still unknown?

The amount of pressure on me for this is ridiculous at this stage. The case is basically 'she hasn't lynched a Townie and she suggested alternatives/players to look at'.
I should not be the lynch for today, especially given the fact that I've been working harder than players who have lynched Townies or scooted by off-wagon without pushing for reads or giving alternatives and frequent opinions and my alternatives haven't actually been tested/could still flip scum.