Aspiring Rapper's MAFIA- Game Thread

[Cass_]

Cuth is almost certainly town. I know this thanks to the mass of nonsense I had to climb through. It probably wasn't worth it. Ahem.

Mafia Cuth is more a people pleaser. He's a friendly player, but you can get under his skin with a bit of effort. He's extremely keen on not being dismissed or pushed aside for irreverent jabber. Cuth would not be challenging half the assertions thrown his way if he were mafa.

I liked pretty much all of this post from Legato. Will have to check progression on read/vote but FWIW I don't think MafiaLegato says the above about Cuth at this point, regardless of Cuth's alignment.

Legato Endless can be town for cutting through all the fluff and making conclusions, though his vote seems to be a cop out.

Can you explain the bold? And why it was even necessary to make that comment? Play nice, Lenny!

how is that towny

Who were you referring to here? And was it an actual question, or do you disagree?

 

[Zack]

There are similarities between my vote on Visor and Al Sips's vote on Visor, I'll give you that. I'm no longer voting for Visor, that's the difference.

No, I'm talking about my vote on you. You're making such a big deal about how I couldn't possibly think you're scum (and thus shouldn't vote for you), yet you shrug your shoulders about your vote on Al and say it's just a pressure vote. You've just been so indignant about my single vote on to the point of absurdity in a way no one else has. I find that mafia tend to act in such a way when they perceive someone's coming at them for the "wrong" reasons more than townies do.

That said, my case not being perfect doesn't mean it's worthless. You seem content with your crappy Al vote, so stop whining so much about how mine's not totally unassailable. Because you have been riding with popular opinion, and I don't find your justifications for doing so particularly strong, no matter how much you moan about it and dismiss my reasoning as irrelevant. Your reasoning for your votes has been weak and any opinions you've given have been echoing things others have already said, so I don't see why I shouldn't think you haven't simply been floating along and avoiding rocking the boat.

 

[landlubber]

No, I'm talking about my vote on you. You're making such a big deal about how I couldn't possibly think you're scum (and thus shouldn't vote for you), yet you shrug your shoulders about your vote on Al and say it's just a pressure vote. You've just been so indignant about my single vote on to the point of absurdity in a way no one else has. I find that mafia tend to act in such a way when they perceive someone's coming at them for the "wrong" reasons more than townies do.

That said, my case not being perfect doesn't mean it's worthless. You seem content with your crappy Al vote, so stop whining so much about how mine's not totally unassailable. Because you have been riding with popular opinion, and I don't find your justifications for doing so particularly strong, no matter how much you moan about it and dismiss my reasoning as irrelevant. Your reasoning for your votes has been weak and any opinions you've given have been echoing things others have already said, so I don't see why I shouldn't think you haven't simply been floating along and avoiding rocking the boat.

I'll start by saying that I don't find your language particularly constructive. "Moan", "whine", etc. We can have a forceful argument without that kind of talk.

I'll readily admit that I got worked up. Saying that I was being falsely kind in order to win favor with everyone was categorically false. I've never played like that, and you've played enough games with me to know that I really don't care very much about networking. That's why I was so stunned by your case. It stemmed from a false assessment of my character rather than my behavior. Had you only relied on my vote, I wouldn't have been so defensive.

I'm content with my vote until I hear more from Al Sips, sure. What's the point of pressuring someone if I drop it before I've ever heard anything from them? I've given plenty of opinions on plenty of players, though. Early on, I gave assessments of Lohr and BL, and I've responded to questions about how I view other players, as I did earlier this afternoon when asked about you. Visor's wagon was popular, yeah, but that didn't mean that I had to ignore it. I thought that it was worth looking at until I understood why his behavior seemed off.

 

[Cass_]

@Cass

Spoiler :

First comment: I like that reply a lot.

"with the addition that the Town reads were also fairly easy/thread consensus." Indeed, and also some of the most aggressive/solvy players at that point.
But also agree that he shouldn't be lock scum just from one post, which is also why he is only a slight scum lean.

"What is your actual read on Glossy right now?"
Still leaning town - but I have tabs ready in my browser, so I can compare her posts in this game with the scum game ISO you linked. So might be able to say some more, after that.

"Lassie,
1. Where do you and Glossysushi know each other from? Is it just MU?
2. How many games have you played together/how confident are you in your ability to read her?
3. Can you explain what makes her play seem 'solvy' to you?
4. Do you have thoughts on anything else I posted wrt Sushi?"

1. Yes just MU, where I've been in one non-turbo game with her, where she subbed in as town. So I don't know her that well.
2. ^ is answered there
3. Simply that she has a lot of focus on interacting with people, while also stating many opinions.
4. I haven't looked into other things that the link to her scum game that you posted, which I'll compare more closely, to her play in this.

Uhghgh you ask so much lol

"1. Ok for the reads and entertainment it's obvious now that I know there's two players using that same screen name , but FTR it wasn't at the time. I absolutely thought you were Alette, which is why my focus was on you so hard (she's one of my new favourites to play with/read, I've only played with her as Town, and your play was nothing like what I'd seen from her!!).

2.
a) On the using it to make reads process - the bold suggests you knew I was confusing you with Alette. How'd you go from knowing the source of my confusion, and knowing your play was nothing like Alette's, to giving me a scum lean for highlighting exactly that at that point?

b) Why wait? /What would the point have been for Glossy to go along with it, as either alignment?"

1. This is the part that I like of your post, as you did in fact mention that "I" was being different, and commenting on the use of blushing smiley. That is exactly the sort of thing I wanted to use the cover for(no that I originally had in thought to be seen as Alette, rather just that I was female, but I played along with it)

2. A)Sometimes the right thoughts first come a little late for me, which I believe is that it looks good for you(although not hard clearing you in any way).
B) I've already explained why I didn't reveal it right away, in response to Glossy. In short - to see if any of you who thought I was Alette would figure out I wasn't. In hindsight I agree that you actually did caught suspicion of that, but you didn't make the conclusion that I wasn't her.

Thanks for the reply.

Two things, and both relate to the last Q2 point.

2
a) Yey for things looking good now, but I'm trying to understand your thought process earlier in the game. Essentially what I'm asking is for reasons behind your scum lean on me at the time - this is probably the thing I trust/understand least (like, if you liked the points in 1/bold, and you knew I was confused, where did the scum lean even come from?);
b) Ok. I don't really follow the logic of why that would be important. Is it important to you? What, if anything, does it mean to you (alignment-wise) that I didn't figure out you weren't Alette on my own?

 

[Cuthillius]

@Cuth - Not that I disagree/don't appreciate the vote of confidence and the lol for piggy comment/potential nod/buddying but
1. Why?
2. Why?
3. Why?

She's been flipflopping, buddying like crazy, contradicting herself, and posting a lot of fluff.

Again, I don't like the prolong period of joking about being wolf, particularly from Visor, because it's more often scum than not

and i've played with you twice, when you were town you were playing exactly like this, when you were scum you were making more excuses, joking a lot more, and not providing the same quality content.

Who were you referring to here? And was it an actual question, or do you disagree?

It was an actual question, I do disagree, and I wasresponding to lenny's read.

 

[Cuthillius]

oh and lol

Zack, you're deflecting. you do this all the time. don't argue otherwise.

 

[Zack]

I'll start by saying that I don't find your language particularly constructive. "Moan", "whine", etc. We can have a forceful argument without that kind of talk.

I'll readily admit that I got worked up. Saying that I was being falsely kind in order to win favor with everyone was categorically false. I've never played like that, and you've played enough games with me to know that I really don't care very much about networking. That's why I was so stunned by your case. It stemmed from a false assessment of my character rather than my behavior. Had you only relied on my vote, I wouldn't have been so defensive.

I'm content with my vote until I hear more from Al Sips, sure. What's the point of pressuring someone if I drop it before I've ever heard anything from them? I've given plenty of opinions on plenty of players, though. Early on, I gave assessments of Lohr and BL, and I've responded to questions about how I view other players, as I did earlier this afternoon when asked about you. Visor's wagon was popular, yeah, but that didn't mean that I had to ignore it. I thought that it was worth looking at until I understood why his behavior seemed off.

point me to a single instance where you ever said "good morning friends" then.

I don't know why you're acting like I made that the central component of my case. It was an afterthought that seemed relevant, that you harped on and got all up in arms about.

 

[Lohrenswald]

I can't fault you for using other names you are familiar with, but please don't call him lenny when that's not his username on cfc

 

[Zack]

Deflecting what?

 

[Cuthillius]

Ah, Zack. The rebuttal from landlubber and Zack's focus on the D1 stuff made me change his read to pending town. Depends on landlubber at this point, I think.

Sushi, do you normally change your reads based off what other people are saying, or by formulating them yourself?

 

[Cuthillius]

I can't fault you for using other names you are familiar with, but please don't call him lenny when that's not his username on cfc

Good point, sorry.

She's not even called lenny on MU, either, it's just what everyone calls her anywhere. Will try to keep away from it.

 

[BSmith1068]

O.M.G. I am going to have a real hard time keeping up with this game. About to hop on an overnight flight to Dublin. Hope to god there arent 30 more pages waiting for me.

Have to admit I skimmed the last half or so of the thread. Lots of noise. Some meat. No real leans for me yet. But I will say I would lean away from a Visor vote.

Not gonna vote yet...

 

[Sooh]

Up to post 200 on my reread. I'm working really slowly tonight for some reason (the two hour nap in the middle of rereading may have had something to do with it).

Leans per post 200:

Cass feels fairly townie. I think she picks up on good things and runs with them. It has been a while since I saw a scum game of hers, but I feel good about her for now.

Visor is someone I've played a few games with, mostly turbos, but it has been a while now. I can't say that he has pinged me negatively in the first 200 posts, so take that as you may.

Glossy is one of those whose opening tone I really didn't like, but in retrospect it kickstarted the game and in her most recent scum game she didn't challenge people the same way she has done here in this one. I would think that a wolf would perhaps be more cautious about challenging so many people at once. Going to give her a town read for now.

Lassie is another one whose posts I have been noticing. The whole name thing was very gimmicky, and I wasn't really a fan of that. Not too much to be gained from it either as far as I can see though he has talked about it later. A number of his early posts pinged me the wrong way, so we'll see how I feel once I'm done rereading the whole thread. Consider this my strongest scum read per now.
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I need to get to bed now, long day at work tomorrow. I'll continue my reread when I get home and hopefully get to current.

 

[Lassie]

Thanks for the reply.

Two things, and both relate to the last Q2 point.

2
a) Yey for things looking good now, but I'm trying to understand your thought process earlier in the game. Essentially what I'm asking is for reasons behind your scum lean on me at the time - this is probably the thing I trust/understand least (like, if you liked the points in 1/bold, and you knew I was confused, where did the scum lean even come from?);
b) Ok. I don't really follow the logic of why that would be important. Is it important to you? What, if anything, does it mean to you (alignment-wise) that I didn't figure out you weren't Alette on my own?

a)that I had you towards scummy had nothing to do with the Alette thing. It was actually the "*Watches Lassie, with popcorn*" comment that felt weird - but I realize now, that you wrote that because you thought I was Alette, and it's something you would had written to her(because you thought I was her). It was first in your next post, that you mentioned me being different, so didn't connect that as reasoning for why you would write the popcorn thing. But I see it now and it makes sense.
b)it wasn't all focused on you - as I said, originally, my thought with this profile was to appear to be a female. When I started the game, I just posted as I usually would(posting the LL Cool J youtube song on page 1 wasn't very female ), not caring to keep up that cover. But then I noticed you and a couple of others seemed to believe I was Alette, so I just rolled with it, mostly for my own entertainment, but also also for the reasons you may or may not be able to follow, about reactions might be slightly useful for solving.
Me being able to move you towards town now, is an example on that.

 

[Cuthillius]

i only thought you might be alette because i thought you were female

you weren't really posting like her

 

[choxorn]

choxorn, do you have any thoughts besides frustration with the game's pace? Seems like that's all you've talked about.

I don't really have much to say other than what plenty of other people have already said, and the game's pace is part of that. Too much noise, I can't get any clear reads when there's already this many posts to sift through and half of them are two sentences with no real content.

Or a less stupidly vague question - gun to your head, who do you vote for right now?

Well, like I said, I'm not getting any good reads right now, but Cuthilius, landlubber, and Glossy all strike me as slightly scummy right now- Cuthilius has some weird reactions, landlubber for the reasons you mentioned, and Glossy because so many of her posts are contentless fluff that's drowning out everything else- like someone else (I forget who) said earlier, all the attention being on the 4 or 5 extremely high content posters lets everyone else slide under the radar. But that seems to just be the way she posts, so I'm not very confident of that read yet.

There was also of course, edse, who I'm currently voting for, but that was a combination of still being the early semi-random voting stage and an attempt to prod him because I thought his reason for voting you was kinda scummy even for a day 1 vote. I can't really get much else on him right now though because he's barely said anything since then. I will say that I think he's worth keeping an eye on, but for now I'll give him the benefit of the doubt since my suspicion of him was based on a single thing he said a few hours into the day. So, Unvote.

I'll also say that you and Visor both look townie to me right now, at least as much as I can get a town read on anyone. Just sort of a gut feeling at this point. Not really sure about Mat or Lassie, and I can barely tune into all the people who aren't posting like this is their full-time job in the sea of Glossy and Visor filling up pages every 10 minutes.

Out of all my choices, I'd say Vote: Cuthillius is narrowly looking like the most scummy, and I also think that his lynch could tell us about some other players based on how he's interacted with them, particularly the others who were pretending to be scum with Visor and maybe also Mat.

 

[Cass_]

Hmm, it seems towny because:
1) he's calling lots of people useless with no qualms about it. I agree, I'm quite useless D1. Sort of. I can be useful. Not too much now.

2) I tend to town read people who scum read me/call me out for good reasons. You don't fall into that category.

3) pretty relaxed, natural thread entry. Looks good.

4) the only iffy thing is the vote because of mind meld, but I've seen worse before.

I actually like this post. Good rational and I agree with 1-3, not caught up enough to comment on 4.

It's fun to make people mad/irritated. I promise this is a town tell for me. [emoji14]

(Sorry Cass, was lying about that being a scum tell for me.)

I am not likely resolving you today.

Legato Endless feels pure in tone, for what little activity he has just had.

I'm actually really liking Mat atm.

Legato person, tell me more about Cuth, and why he's town, please.

I get what you said about him not being as eager to please here, but the only game of his I've read that was really slimy and people pleasing was Snow Crash (or whatever it was called). His other scum games have a bit of this attitude, but he's gotten a lot better imo.

FWIW I have no great scum lean on Cuth. Me. Miss Paranoid. Even while he's calling me Town. Requires ISO but eh.

Skimming through a bunch of pages in Glossy's latest scum game, I'd say it's hard to compare this game to it, since it's too different sizes, and also there's a much higher activity in the other, from those part of it. So I won't care to look more into that.

@Cass, this is my read on her so far, based on this game:
She pretty much lives in the thread, posts constantly - that's rare for a scum to care to do, especially in game where high post volume isn't embraced or expected.
I'd say that is a strong indication she should be town.
Also, with such volume of posts, it will be fairly easy to go back later and see on interactions/comments including dead/outed scums.
So I'd say she is a fairly bad lynch to even consider for D1.

I have to agree with most of this - although I've just seen her live in that massive/active thread and be almost universally Town-read so. More ISO before vote :| .

I wasn't sure, and short of Lassie confirming it was her I would have still been uncertain. There were a number of things I didn't really see coming from her, but you were so certain, so I was kind of leaning on you for this one.

Then again, Glossysushi has been different this game as well from what I expected. Still working on what it means.

I fell asleep 1/5th into my reread of the thread. Either I'm exhausted or it was just really boring. I'm going to give it another hour before I go to bed and see how far I get.

I get you on Glossysushi. And the re-read. This is nothing like the game was 'going' to be.
What do you mean by the bold/What were you leaning on me for? A read that Lassie was seeming scum or the fact that he wasn't who he looked to be?

IIRC I asked you earlier what you agreed with me on, and it was the fact that his meta should be fair game since he was asking for somebody else's but nothing else?

Also I got a temporary avi.

Spoiler :

No fair!

"1. Have you and Alette both played with Visor/Cuth?
2. What leans, if any, did you get from Visor/Cuth's reactions?"

1. I haven't played with Visor. I believe Alette has played with both
2. In hindsight, I don't think any of Visor and Cuth has played enough with Alette, to really have much of a chance to realize it isn't her. I think Visor's reaction to the reveal wasn't pingy, from what I recall - didn't like Cuth's reaction, but not to a point that I think it is noteworthy(also I don't recall his exact wording at this point, just my impression when seeing it).

Ok.
This reminds me I have something to pursue wrt bold. If you could go back and figure out what it was that bugged you that would be good. And I'm still waiting for Visor's response on whether or not he knew it wasn't Alette all along.

She's been flipflopping, buddying like crazy, contradicting herself, and posting a lot of fluff.

Again, I don't like the prolong period of joking about being wolf, particularly from Visor, because it's more often scum than not

and i've played with you twice, when you were town you were playing exactly like this, when you were scum you were making more excuses, joking a lot more, and not providing the same quality content.


It was an actual question, I do disagree, and I wasresponding to lenny's read.

Ok. Fair enough for now. WRT last part, I thought Legato's post sounded fairly towny too - why do you disagree?

 

[Lassie]

Up to post 200 on my reread. I'm working really slowly tonight for some reason (the two hour nap in the middle of rereading may have had something to do with it).

Leans per post 200:

Cass feels fairly townie. I think she picks up on good things and runs with them. It has been a while since I saw a scum game of hers, but I feel good about her for now.

Visor is someone I've played a few games with, mostly turbos, but it has been a while now. I can't say that he has pinged me negatively in the first 200 posts, so take that as you may.

Glossy is one of those whose opening tone I really didn't like, but in retrospect it kickstarted the game and in her most recent scum game she didn't challenge people the same way she has done here in this one. I would think that a wolf would perhaps be more cautious about challenging so many people at once. Going to give her a town read for now.

Lassie is another one whose posts I have been noticing. The whole name thing was very gimmicky, and I wasn't really a fan of that. Not too much to be gained from it either as far as I can see though he has talked about it later. A number of his early posts pinged me the wrong way, so we'll see how I feel once I'm done rereading the whole thread. Consider this my strongest scum read per now.
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I need to get to bed now, long day at work tomorrow. I'll continue my reread when I get home and hopefully get to current.

Can you please quote those early posts that you felt was pingy? or just mention them, if you remember them on top of your head.
I'm not too impressed with your scum reads, for obvious reasons.

 

[Cass_]

That's it for me for most of the day. Brain overloaded and I have Australia Day Celebrations to attend!

Spoiler :

AUSSIE! AUSSIE! AUSSIE!

GLGL

 

[Lassie]

"If you could go back and figure out what it was that bugged you that would be good."

If there were an ISO function on this site, I would have went back and looked - but I'll just try elaborate from how I remember my thoughts to his reaction(which wasn't much thought really):
he had already seen/reacted to Glossy revealing I wasn't Alette. Then later when I explained I wasn't female either and was NAC from MU, his respond seemed a little too surprised, considering he knew already that I wasn't Alette. It's kinda thin, and on second thought it's not a "read" I'll use for anything.