Aspiring Rapper's MAFIA- Game Thread

[Cuthillius]

I'm sure that is exactly what a wolf would want, but if you think about it the tracker would be outing themselves if they admit it in thread.

I do think that you are defending Arakhor far too much than is healthy for a v/v day1 interaction.

The tracker doesn't have to out themselves, just know what to do.

 

[KingMorgan]

The tracker doesn't have to out themselves, just know what to do.

which would be?

 

[Lassie]

which would be?

whatever they find to be the best decision themselves.

 

[Cuthillius]

Which is based on what the claimant says

 

[Arakhor]

Point is, if he actually has a useful ability now is the time for him to talk about it. Holding it back does nothing but guarantee his death and the loss of the ability. Better to come forward and then let the community determine how to deal with it, protect him, prove it, etc. As it stands right now he has offered us nothing that will convince me to change my vote.

The problem with that idea is that I'm in the same situation as Winston was in Masque of Death, in that it is virtually impossible to "prove" my power.

Obviously, if you still think I'm lying through my teeth, then that's all there is to it.

 

[Legato Endless]

Arakhor's "claim" is so weak I could easily see it as a ploy to buy time.

Funny, I had the opposite reaction.

A vague power that he can't reveal and the effects won't be obvious. How is that ever going to clear him? It's a treat dangled that will never be eaten.

It's so insubstantial I'd expect a more solid cover identity with his general move to true contention. He needs a big thread to dangle to really attain safety. This also explains partially his reaction before.

look at this game.
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=427486

It is worht of reading through (in my opinion - the best descriptions in mafia game ever hosted at cfc). But for my example, important thing is:
36 players, including:
33 town
2 mafia
1 serial killer

of course, it was not typical mafia game, and no-reveal changes meaning of numbers, but here you have it

Hmm. It is a closed set up, but Pizza said this wouldn't be too bizarre though with the vanilla roles. Although scamming us on the premise is definitely something he could do, but that way of speculation lies madness without good evidence. He also probably has a much more liberal definition of vanilla than anyone here. No serial killer though either.

If this is true, we've handled the first phase pretty ineptly. 2 mafia is a crapshoot day 1. And the sheer amount of text will make going over this a massive headache later.

I believe in his diceroll story

Oh good. I was worried there for a second. Pfft.

Glossy isn't exactly "lock town"(even though I used that term), but yeah, she looks very good from what I can tell right now, and this new analysis didn't change that.

To comment here to try to keep this topic from cycling, lock town was something I originally disparaged because for some it implies crossing someone off your suspect list completely. That's obviously a bad policy especially early on. But the reverse as previously noted isn't any better. Shifting all of your suspects constantly isn't usually the right response.

A long term town read is perfectly fine as long as you glance at it occasionally for your own sake.

And now you believe that I'm a grade-A moron? Give me some credit!

Care to play a tabletop later?

I suddenly remember a Star Wars game where Pizza had a Sith avatar. What are you really doing Visor?

Pizza switched to a Sideous Avatar once when he was town. He was promptly lynched. He also switched to a Joker for a fake role claim as scum in another. I don't know how that helps with Visor though Edse. That's really reaching for an accusation.

It parses to "Seriously? There are people just as scummy as I am, yet you've decided I'm scum for such a weak reason!". That's scum-speak for "I can't believe they're voting for me for such a dumb reason, instead of an actually good one. I'd have done the same if I were Town!"

In addition, you continue with "Why would I do this if I were scum" which is another scum indicator - the hypothetical "If I were a bad guy, I would not have done X because it would make it too obvious I'm scum" (especially after someone's called attention to X being scummy behaviour).

This is a good point, although maligned townie power does sort of explain it as well. Hmm.

 

[Pouter Pigeon]

Well, I disagree with lynching Lassie or Cuth at this point, and I'm almost totally ambivalent on Arakhor. His posts never struck me as particularly indicative one way or another and I don't know if I really get the wagon on him that much, but it seems like it's got some kind of meta oomph that is outside of my experience. This PR claim seems sketch though and I don't foresee it being resolved short of Arakhor being lynched, NKed or telling us what the power is.

I'll push a counterwagon though, since nobody else has. So Unvote and let's go with vote: Xym who I think still looks a little parrot-y for my taste, and got town-read by someone (Cass maybe?) at a point when I felt like it was a weird town-read to make. Let's see where this takes us....

 

[Arakhor]

It's so insubstantial I'd expect a more solid cover identity with his general move to true contention. He needs a big thread to dangle to really attain safety. This also explains partially his reaction before.

Something like "I'm the town vigilante" you mean? It was even Zack who pointed out that I've been honoured for my town play before, yet I'm being accused of being a really inept scum.

Care to play a tabletop later?

Next time I'm within 1,000 miles of Minnesota, sure!

 

[Legato Endless]

I like the late push, although I have no real read on Xym yet.

Unvote;
Vote Edse

When is end of Day?

 

[Arakhor]

According to post #6, less than four hours.

I'm not so desperate to stay alive that I'll give up my ability and have someone else die in my place (who might potentially have a still-useful ability). For those of you who seem convinced that I am simply lying at great length, you have way too high an opinion of me, and for those of you who already know that I'm innocent, well, you know who you are.

 

[Cuthillius]

Arakhor, why don't you analyze the flash wagons, then?

 

[Arakhor]

Well, I was going to suggest that we all pitch in and see if we could come up with a realistic power-reveal for me that would satisfy people without getting me instantly night-killed, but that's probably a better idea, yes.

 

[Cuthillius]

well, you could just sort of hint...

 

[landlubber]

I don't have much time to write a post right now, but Vote:Lassie looks worst to me right now

 

[Cass_]

It's well after 5am. I'm going to bed for a couple of hours will set an alarm to be back before EoD.


I'm leaving my vote where it is for now.

I had Arakhor as Scummy early on, not as sure looking at the later posts in his ISO. Regardless, I don't like lynching claimed PRs D1. Either he gets taken out at night or we zero in on him from here.

I'm in the same undecided spot WRT Cuth and Lassie that I was previously and I think both of them should have a pass until tomorrow but also assume there should be a decent amount to analyse with either of them post flip.

Order of WTL from the current options probably

- Choxorn: Scummy start, potentially good for info, feel like attention keeps sliding away/being re-directed elsewhere

- Cuth: Random voting/polling pre-push on Edse, ?weird Visor interaction, makes some good pushes, buddying/white knighting ?null, lynch should provide decent info

- Arakhor/Lassie: Not overly confident in my scummy leans on these two, also have concerns about the build of the trains and how quickly votes piled up.

 

[Cass_]

Well, I disagree with lynching Lassie or Cuth at this point, and I'm almost totally ambivalent on Arakhor. His posts never struck me as particularly indicative one way or another and I don't know if I really get the wagon on him that much, but it seems like it's got some kind of meta oomph that is outside of my experience. This PR claim seems sketch though and I don't foresee it being resolved short of Arakhor being lynched, NKed or telling us what the power is.

I'll push a counterwagon though, since nobody else has. So Unvote and let's go with vote: Xym who I think still looks a little parrot-y for my taste, and got town-read by someone (Cass maybe?) at a point when I felt like it was a weird town-read to make. Let's see where this takes us....

I've been pushing a counterwagon on Chox for over 24hrs now.
Not opposed to Xym though, although I think Chox would provide more info.

These are my notes on Xym thus far:
D1 - thread consensusy, says not caught up but posts thought-out posts, sheeps Kennigit on and off Arakhor. Unvote post is ?buddyish/ATE. Questioned here with no replies. Vote on Al Sips seems bandwaggony/sus. ?Scummy

Definitely not a Town read.

 

[Arakhor]

Spoiler Xym's extracts :

I think that Kennigit, Lassie look good to me. The rest though, I have no leans either way. Visor looks like other games I've played with him before.
I'll pressure Vote: Arakhor for now because Kennigit's point earlier was good and I agree. I'll be back later in the day phase. ^.^

I still think Kennigit and Lassie look town to me. They seem to be hunting and are making well reasoned arguments.
... I don't have a lean on Visor however. He seems the same as other games I've played as well still though the point about joke posts vs analysis posts under pressure is ok. That said, I do not believe he is the best lynch for today.
... Arakhor's posts since then has made me think that an Arakhor lynch isn't the best today.
... That said, I haven't seen as much from Cuth in particular among all of those that help hunt reds that I'd expect.
For now, Unvote

...indeed. I'm still trying to reread.
Vote: Al Sipsclar

If anything, one thing that's not sitting well with me is you seem to be tunneling one person at a time, but then I don't think I've played a game with you in months. Is this sort of thing more normal for Cuth?
... Unvote; Vote: Arakhor This seems like a really kneejerk reaction and for little. Have you had time to catch up yet?
I don't actually see the random vote as a mafia or town tell. I'd think considering the general vibe then from a lot of people that were posting at the time were that they (I think me to) were overwhelmed then it's fine.

No reasoning provided for Al and his return vote on me has just about as much strength to it as my continued vote on KM was.

Spoiler for BSmith's extracts :

Have to admit I skimmed the last half or so of the thread. Lots of noise. Some meat. No real leans for me yet. But I will say I would lean away from a Visor vote.

vote: Arakhor
... Cuth or Arakhor would be my top choices. Would be interested in Visor's reflection upon me that leads him to think I am town.

Point is, if he actually has a useful ability now is the time for him to talk about it. Holding it back does nothing but guarantee his death and the loss of the ability. Better to come forward and then let the community determine how to deal with it, protect him, prove it, etc. As it stands right now he has offered us nothing that will convince me to change my vote.
He has been very flinchy with his defense and has offered a very vague and unprovable claim to attempt to save himself.

No reasoning provided at any point, despite attempts to lead discussion, and is fishing for power info, especially with phrases like "let the community decide", when he is fully aware that all non-scum conversation is to be carried out in public.

 

[Pouter Pigeon]

I've been pushing a counterwagon on Chox for over 24hrs now.
Not opposed to Xym though, although I think Chox would provide more info.

These are my notes on Xym thus far:
D1 - thread consensusy, says not caught up but posts thought-out posts, sheeps Kennigit on and off Arakhor. Unvote post is ?buddyish/ATE. Questioned here with no replies. Vote on Al Sips seems bandwaggony/sus. ?Scummy

Definitely not a Town read.

Must have been someone else then...I'll go back and look.

I mostly meant since Lassie's most recent push for a counterwagon in light of the latest tally. Also, forgot about Chox in my post. Or raher, I remembered him as a player that was in the suspect list in general, but forgot what my thoughts were about him. The fact that the wagon on him totally disappeared is mad sketchy, you're right. I'll support that lynch. More likely to go through than Xym too it seems. Unvote, Vote: Choxorn

 

[Arakhor]

I don't particularly like it. "Scum" on like 7 players and "scum lean" on 3-4.

It's also impossible to distinguish in the future. Say one of the very many people stated as "town lean" died and was a scum. Does this give any helpful knowledge as to everyone else on the list?

I have 26 scum leans and 3 are stronger than others at the moment.

Good to see that you're being consistent.

...and I am pro-majority. If we get close to a majority on someone, I will join.

In other words, pro-bandwagon. Watch that one carefully.

Im back to arakhor boys. Also let's get that majority hammer. Speaks volumes on who is willing to bring attention to themselves
Many scum are afraid to be traceable

This is totally nonsensical. If "many scum are afraid to be traceable", why does it speak "volumes on who is willing to bring attention to themselves"?

 

[Kennigit]

I think my point is already proven

We've had what, 4 or 5 people reach a threshold of 5-7 votes? Scum are deathly afraid to come in, guns a-blazing, to a pretty full wagon and say "yes, *I* will be the vote that finally makes this wagon a runaway"

Even moreso when we get close to majority. Who is willing to put the final nail in a coffin?

A misinformed townie is who. Now whether that wagon is right or wrong, I don't know, but scum are afraid to be decisive.