Aspiring Rapper's MAFIA- Game Thread

[Cuthillius]

@Cuth



Does this smell rotten to you?

She lynches one of you guys (presumably you flip villager), oh, must be the other one.

Smells like bulldust to me,

Meeh, it's weak. It's not that bad. Are you trying to get me to disagree with you and mislynch mat?

 

[Cuthillius]

My one consistent read this game has been Visor. I'm still sticking to it.

 

[Sooh]

I now dont like voting for Visor.

vote: Sooh. I dont know what to think about you

That's fair.

I haven't exactly been giving this game my all. I was in a longer game on DM when this game started with insane post count, cased and read and tried really hard, only to find out around the same time this game started that it was a cult game and that all my efforts were futile. That game ended about an hour before EOD1 here. Since then I've been feeling a bit burned out.

I'll still try to read and work my way through this game and help Village as much as I can. And at this point there's really no other way for me to do it than reading ISOs and coming to a conclusion about people.

Yesterday I voted you because you were the scummiest of people that I had ISOed, but I hope I can find some clearer scums today.

I think I'll focus on the players who seem to be under fire so far toDay; Visor, Lassie, Cuth, and with a second tier of Cass, Zack, Mat93. If I should include some more, please lmk.

Tonight, however, I'm grabbing the game host and taking him out for a night in Oslo with good food and a Jim Gaffigan show, so my efforts will be minimal for the next several hours.

Hopefully that's the end of excuses I'll have to make for this game.

 

[Visorslash]

Meeh, it's weak. It's not that bad. Are you trying to get me to disagree with you and mislynch mat?

How on earth did you get that from what I said? I said GS is posting some wolfy crap.

 

[Visorslash]

Tonight, however, I'm grabbing the game host and taking him out for a night in Oslo with good food and a Jim Gaffigan show, so my efforts will be minimal for the next several hours.

one charge of kidnapping

 

[Glossysushi]

*howls and poops*

Lolololol

So, do you scum read me now, visor?

 

[Visorslash]

*howls and poops*

Lolololol

So, do you scum read me now, visor?

I think you are posting trash.

I am beyond caring about your alignment this game

 

[Cuthillius]

How on earth did you get that from what I said? I said GS is posting some wolfy crap.

I'm assuming you're a wolf, because I actually mostly agree with her and I think you're a wolf.

 

[Sooh]

one charge of kidnapping

Why yes, I think he's very opposed to this idea of going out and having a good time. So not him.

 

[Visorslash]

Why yes, I think he's very opposed to this idea of going out and having a good time. So not him.

one charge of grevious bodily harm

 

[Visorslash]

(fwiw I apologise by my temper, I am incredibly tilted by things that are happening elsewhere, and don't want to deal with terrible posts saying I am scum)

 

[Glossysushi]

I think you are posting trash.

I am beyond caring about your alignment this game

Alrighty [emoji14]

 

[Glossysushi]

I'm assuming you're a wolf, because I actually mostly agree with her and I think you're a wolf.

What do you make of my weird groups?

 

[Winston Hughes]

Moderator Action: Gentle reminder to watch the language. Please don't trigger the autocensor, or try to get around it.

 

[Cuthillius]

What do you make of my weird groups?

I don't think they're completely accurate, but maybe?

 

[Cuthillius]

My reads are fairly fluid based on interaction between certain players right now.

 

[Legato Endless]

This is starting to go in circles with Visor.

I could switch to a vote for him, he seems bafflingly out of sync to be scum although the Backwards Logic change is kind of inexplicable. If this were a seer game, that'd be a peek...

But if things keep cycling with Cuth or Visor, we might need to get lynch one simply to motivate the town elsewhere. Normally a tactical clearing lynch is a middle game affair, but I'm worried if the two kills per night doesn't have a cool down, we're under significant duress to get something now.

(fwiw I apologise by my temper, I am incredibly tilted by things that are happening elsewhere, and don't want to deal with terrible posts saying I am scum)

Mmm. Sorry to hear that.

This is now the game with sixth most posts.

I agree that Visor seems to be up to something. If he's just having fun or if he's scum I can't tell.

Edse, do you have a vote in play? I didn't see in on the last few pages. And with the thread kind of mired, an influx of something would be nice.

 

[Legato Endless]

Vote Count: I used finder to locate 'vote', so I may have missed any merely bolded names. Please correct errors.

Visorslash : Cuth, Lassie, Zack, Murska

Lassie: Mat, Tak

Sooh: Jarema

Tak: Sushi

Mat: Landlubbeer

Cas: Legato

Cuth: Choxorn

Backwards Logic: Visor ? (Not sure if joke vote cancels previous)

 

[Cass_]

Heh....

I'm starting to like you now...

Either this is a really good idea, or you're just slippery. Soapy. We shall see.

I'm glad he accepts my explanation and all, but I don't like Sips popping in simply with agreement and a vote there. He pushed people last game pulling out single posts and commenting here, there and everywhere. If he'd read enough to not like the wagons on Arakhor/Lassie, he'd read enough to contribute/question more earlier imo. I'm putting him in greasy for now.

lol, we're breaking the culture.

For some reason, my read on Cuth has flipflopped, even though he's been scummily tunneling people and doing really weird things... but apparently that's towny behavior.

Legato is super town because of this.

I can agree on the Cuth meta, but I'm wavering on whether Legato calling it out and being so strong-minded about it early on is towny itself. Why is it Towny?
After ISO, I don't see a whole lot of work going into his read of Cuth for this game - just assurance that Cuth would be different if Scum. I think it's probably too much to be WW(?) but I'm concerned about the possibility of TMI.


FWIW I didn't make much of Zack's other D2 posts to here, but I thought these showed a towny level of investigation/work (going back and searching/quoting to verify questions/concerns):

Spoiler :

Where? I'm not finding it. All I'm seeing are Xym, choxorn, KingMorgan, Al Sipsclar. Don't see Pouter mentioning Mat.

These were Kennigit's leans. Where is the Mat thing coming from, glossy, cause it seems like you just made it up?

It was addressed to Visor, not you. This is all he said about backwards:

Which first of all is lame reasoning, but anyways Visor listed him in his "scum" list but never actually made any effort at all to get him lynched. So why now? and with no effort to get other people to join.

I see no reason not to lynch Takhisis, go ahead.

This part

is the only meaningful section (not just saying "Idk why but Mat seems weird"). And it's still not really that meaningful, since Pouter later reversed his stance on Cuth. Plus he actually says it makes him feel better about Mat.

So I think that out of all reads Pouter made, it's weird to only focus on his thoughts on Mat, seeing as they're so empty.

I ain't seein' how my survival be stompin' any scum, mister.

This. Has anyone ever seen Tak play Town? When everyone says he's always unreadable, is he?
He played much like this last game I played with him and he was Scum. I don't know what to do with that if he's 'always' unreadable. The tactic's more suited to scum because it leaves impossible spew and forces Town to pick between other 'scummy' lynch candidates and taking out someone who basically gives them nothing. Based on past experience I personally think we need to ignore it, and then kill it with fire. I'd be interested to hear from anyone who's seen Town Tak though - is he ever worth keeping around?

Spoiler :

I know I shouldn't encourage him, but I couldn't help it.

Yo' Takhisis? What's yo' thesis?
Whoz Hood, girl-dawg? Whoz Scum? All yo' posts are jus' full trollin
Don't you peep our homie donkeys rollin? Thugs be hustlin hard but you jus' lollin'

I guess Red-folk ain't resentin yo' lack of representin
I wonder if dis yo' tactic ...
Like las' game, you ain't blue so you jus' play sick?

 

[Cass_]

Spoiler :

Pfft hahaha.

I'm not so sure. I think I need to take a look at the make up of the two established wagons aggregate reads before your's came out. That might be illuminating later on. Hmm.

The biggest surprise on that activity list is I would have sworn Sooh posted a lot less than that.

I was Rift on the Evil Empire. That was back in '09. I've never frequented an internet cafe.

Heh, although never being trusted is a fate far better than hearing this in a game:

Ugh.

'Almost certainly'? Did you forget the opening post? o_O

LL, could you elaborate a bit? Or even meandering impressions? I kind of want to bounce heads now that's Pigeon gone.

How did that go?

There's a wiff on Perfect information syndrome to his fatalistic declaration, although he could just be a massively pessimistic player.

No kidding.

On a more relevant note:

This is very noncommittal.

This is null, but a nice prick if scum.

It's well after 5am. I'm going to bed for a couple of hours will set an alarm to be back before EoD.


I'm leaving my vote where it is for now.

I had Arakhor as Scummy early on, not as sure looking at the later posts in his ISO. Regardless, I don't like lynching claimed PRs D1. Either he gets taken out at night or we zero in on him from here.

I'm in the same undecided spot WRT Cuth and Lassie that I was previously and I think both of them should have a pass until tomorrow but also assume there should be a decent amount to analyse with either of them post flip.

Order of WTL from the current options probably

- Choxorn: Scummy start, potentially good for info, feel like attention keeps sliding away/being re-directed elsewhere

- Cuth: Random voting/polling pre-push on Edse, ?weird Visor interaction, makes some good pushes, buddying/white knighting ?null, lynch should provide decent info

- Arakhor/Lassie: Not overly confident in my scummy leans on these two, also have concerns about the build of the trains and how quickly votes piled up.

This is my biggest issue. This feels a lot less to me like an independent conclusion and more a consensus regurgitation. Not a perfect one probably, but it definitely feels more like than an echo than actual analysis. It's a bit scummy regardless, but weirder still for Cass. It lacks the divergence I'd expect in the early game before people being to coalesce, especially in light of reading Cass' bold play in the snake game where she refused to vote for a significant time. That's quite a stylistic quirk to then transition to such (comparative) temerity.

Vote Cass

Your vote on me is based on the idea that I didn't comment on my WTL beyond the top four lynch candidates right before I went to bed, and that my push on Choxorn wasn't an independent conclusion? Coupled with the fact that my voting strategy has changed post mentoring and conveniently ignoring the fact that I a)this information is in the thread and b) I voted similarly last game?

Vote: Legato



Also FTR the rest of your post (spoilered) is fuff/non-comittal/buddying. AFAICT the only part with an arguably town motive is asking LL for elaboration.

Cass will describe this better than I will, but there was a game that is infamous, called Frozen.

Scum were consistently lynched D1-3, cased by none other than the last remaining scum. She hard bussed then she successfully lynched all of them with the help of town.

The last few days, she skated by and did absolutely nothing, but town gave her the benefit of the doubt because of her earlier work.

On the last day, they decided to look into her lynch, but the townies were scattered and disorganized, and could not consolidate on her, so they lost.

I'm not saying that this is the same situation. In fact, it's not similar at all.

Your work on day 1 does not measure up to what the last scum did in that game. For one, you didn't even lynch scum. You placed a lot of votes, followed a lot of reads from your town circle, but eventually ended up voting with a lot of wolfy people on Arakhor, who tried to soft claim to save himself.

Bus all your teammates and then attempt to claim you're town. Do you see the futility of your reasoning?

I spectated that game and can back up what Sushi says. Having seen scum super hard-bus a lot lately I wouldn't rule it out and it's part of my reason for suspecting Visor and Cuth. I agree with the bold and Visor looking Wolfy.
Sushi, why'd you bother to bring Frozen up if you don't think it's similar at all? It makes the whole argument, and bringing me into it, seem over-explanatory and kind of fake.

This is now the game with sixth most posts.

I agree that Visor seems to be up to something. If he's just having fun or if he's scum I can't tell.

Do you think Visor has been more or less helpful to Town? Where/why/how?
Do you have reads on anybody right now?

My gut opinion is that Visor is scummy here. I don't mind his push on Al Sips for the difference in his play between this and his village play, but I'm adding the trolling around and switching off this onto Arakhor in the end to the ?Scum pile.

visor is slight scum leaning nullish
i think you're okay, for now at least; shouldn't be lynched until at least D3 no matter what
edse is probably lazy town, i think, but not certain
Mat is scummy, and has yet to fully make a concrete argument that doesn't consist of what others've said
I'm hesitant with Legato; wouldn't put this past him, but he's been defending me more than necessary as scum and more as a trying to keep towny alive

Why the 180 on Edse?
Can you explain the bold? How many times/Which games have you played with Legato as Town?

probably be hesitant with Legato

because I did the same thing for Alette in my last scum game.

This. FYI I'd be interested to hear what you make of his ISO.
IMO there's generally an over representation of generalised reads without lead-up work and a good deal of fluff and buddying beyond.

I should point out that Pouter sussed Mat93. I'm sheeping his read that I originally also shared.

IIRC this was a vague lean on both sides? Have you developed it any further?