Aspiring Rapper's MAFIA- Game Thread

[Zack]

well congratulations

 

[Zack]

the "ugh" perfectly encapsulates townie frustration

 

[Zack]

unvote, vote: Backwards Logic

 

[choxorn]

Looking at edse's posts:

You were included in the "new kids"

I'm in on a mislynch of Vote: Zack.

The day 1 vote that originally pinged me and that I'm really regretting not following up on.

Yes, my vote was a joke. Not very funny but that's how I do it . Remember that it was early in the day.

Unvote: Vote: Cuthilius Consensus among those who have played more with you seem to be that you're scummy.

Switching, now votes Cuthillius.

Yeah, what about no?

You're gunning incredibly hard for my right now, I can't really understand why.

Defends himself. Not much of a defense.

I suddenly remember a Star Wars game where Pizza had a Sith avatar. What are you really doing Visor?

People were talking about me sone pages ago. I am consensusy by nature, I believe the town as a whole make a better judgement than I.

This is now the game with sixth most posts.

I agree that Visor seems to be up to something. If he's just having fun or if he's scum I can't tell.

One of many fluffy posts he's made.

Cuthillius is right, I'm lazy town, but I'm going to make a list (I've never done it before I believe). I've checked the post history of the people that haven't posted mush. It's not possible for those who have posted a lot, but I have skimmed through every post "continuously", so I can write down the general feeling I have for them.

He does always seem like a lazy townie.

Colour scale from towniest to scumiest: 1 2 3 4 5

Players that have posted less than me:
al sipsclar: Have troubles keeping up with the thread. Nothing
autolycus: Goes missing from time to time, nothing weird.
backwards logic: Didn't catch my joke but then posted a wall I agree with.
bsmith: Not much.
golden1knight: Nothing
newyn: Talks about bussing with Visor.
xym: Slippery.

The medium posters
jarrema: Pushed Arakhhor's lynch until the end.
sooh: Tries to be helpful.
cass_: Is helpfull.
takhisis: His normal roleplaying self.

The ones I don't have time to write something about
choxorn:
kingmorgan:
landlubber:
legato endless:
lohrenswald:
mat93:
murska:

The "Top Posters"
glossysushi: Posts a lot.
cuthilius: Respond by posting a lot.
lassie:
zack: Grumpy.
visorslash: Same as Zack.

Now I'm out of time, Vote: Cuthillius

I really don't get his reasons, but he's at least consistent on Cuthillius.

His various posts on Lassie from Day 1-Day 4:

Unvote: Vote: Lassie

It should be tied 7-7 between Arakhor and Lassie now (Arakhor reached it first)

2 hours left I believe.

Ties Arakhor and Lassie. Kind of interesting that a scum would want to not lynch Arakhor, but maybe a scum sees Lassie as a better lynch target and Arakhor as something that can easily be dealt with later even if the town doesn't lynch Arakhor right here and right now.

Exactly my thought when I read the claim, it's very non-Pizzalike. But why even claim it? It would never result in less votes on him.

Vote: Mat93

Cuthullius would still be my first choice though.

He's no longer happy with lynching Lassie.

Because the lynch at that point was either Lassie or Mat and I wasn't going to be around at the end of the day.

I tried to save Arakhor by voting for Lassie and yesterday I voted for Mat instead of Lassie. I regret it now, Vote: Lassie. The two close lynches should provide a decent amount of information.

Why can't you make up your mind on Lassie?

Well, when looking at the mafia pwnage of the town, Zack and Choxorn is a likely scum team.

Probably Backwards Logic and BSmith as well...

Vote: Zack

Wow. Such reasoning. Many scumminess.

I don't like that choxorn considered Al Sips a better lynch than Zack although he was unsure about the claim.

I don't like the Al Sips lynch at all, it was driven by the mafia in some form.

For now, Vote: Cass.

I mean, maybe, but we know that at least two townies voted for Al, probably more. Just a big fail on everyone's part.

edse being lazy and giving poor reasoning for votes is entirely something he'd do as town, but that doesn't mean that some of these posts aren't giving me serious scum pings.

I'm definitely starting to see BL/landlubber/edse or Zack/Glossy/Cuthillius as likely possibilities for 3 out of the 4 scum, leaning more towards the first than the second. I'm really not sure who the 4th one is. Legato's push on Glossy looks bad for him, but I could also see Murska, KM, or Lohr as scum #4. Of note is the day 5 votes for BL and Zack. EOD voters for Backwards were KingMorgan, Glossy, and Al. Murska hopped on and off Backwards. Legato said the BL lynch seemed "very doctored" and heavily disapproved of it. He buddied with BL a bit the next day and then said about Cuthillius's suspicion of a BL/Legato/Cass scum team "That's arguably the strangest scum hypothesis in the thread. I don't have the foggiest how that's even supposed to work." He didn't offer much else on this, though. He said "BL is obvious town" about one of his posts but on the other hand, you did the same.

I would say that Legato is certainly the most likely to be #4 if BL/landlubber/edse are the first 3, and the least likely to be #4 if the first 3 are Cuth/Glossy/Zack.

The EOD Zack voters on day 5 were Legato, edse, and Lohrenswald. Lohr actually seems kind of unlikely scum with either of my two 3-person team suggestions, now that I look at some of his posts that day- just not how I'd expect a noobish scum to act. I'm not ruling it out completely, but he's near the bottom of my suspect list right now. Murska switched from Backwards to Al, tying Al with Zack. KM switched from Zack to Backwards, taking Zack out of the lead. Murska seems most likely to be the 4th member of the Cuth/Glossy/Zack possible scum team, maybe KM.

Might be bussing at play, I might not be analyzing things correctly. BL was suspicious of 2 of the people I listed as his likely scum partners earlier on, but his list today was entirely people that seem much less likely to be scum with him. Certainly wouldn't completely rule out Murska or KM with him, just seems unlikely.

 

[choxorn]

Conclusion: The most likely scum team is Backwards/landlubber/edse/Legato Endless, and I suggest voting for them in roughly that order. Hell, thinking about it more, Legato might even be more likely to be a member of that team than edse is.

Vote: Backwards Logic

 

[Zack]

zack/glossy/cuthillius would have to be one of the most audacious scum teams in recent memory

 

[Cuthillius]

zack/glossy/cuthillius would have to be one of the most audacious scum teams in recent memory

that

would

be

hilarious

 

[choxorn]

I mean, it's not impossible. I'm betting it's at least two out of you three if it's not Backwards/LL/edse/Legato, and if it's not them, well, GG to whoever it is.

 

[Glossysushi]

Get off me. This is disgusting.

You think I'd really consistently lynch all the other top posters and implicate myself as scum? Heck no. I'm smarter than that.
I've just been playing terribly. Quite.

My vote on BL stands.

Choxorn is pretty much very town for what he just did. Zack, on the other hand, just did something really weird - assumed there was a world in which he wasn't town, which is not a townie behavior, but his analysis of the kill/lynch patterns are on point.
Not comfortable with lynching him today.

Murska is town, so is Cuth, probably Zack too. Lohrenswald is weird, but I don't like who has been pushing him. Edse was randomly voted by Legato, who sheeped his town read's read. Either that makes edse town or creates a venue for distancing. Atm, I think edse may be town.

Same choice between Lohren and landlubber. Is Lohrenswald newbie town? Landlubber's interactions with Zack make landlubber look worse off, especially after land said that he'd also like to think that he and Zack were just v/v tunneling, an idea that Visor proposed and an idea that land apparently didn't challenge while trying to lynch Visor.

POE: BL, Legato, KM.2, landlubber

 

[Glossysushi]

Vote: Backwards Logic

 

[Glossysushi]

Pretty busy as of late. It's now or never. I sleep nao.

 

[Murska]

Yeah the early BL/Landlubber/Legato push on Glossy seems really off, especially what with Legato and BL both being very suspicious and Landlubber not being in any way remarkable.

Vote: Backwards Logic

 

[Cuthillius]

backwards logic
choxorn
cuthillius
edse
glossysushi
KingMorgan vol. 2
landlubber
legato endless
lohrenswald
murska
zack

From l'top.

So we start with Backwards Logic, lemme pull up the ISO, this guy is wow ok then

Look for yourselves:

He has nine posts. The first one

Thanks!



Yea, get avatars you n00bs!



Uh, so why exactly are you in on a mislynch of Zack? Who says it's a mislynch? Seems a little too opportunistic to me, considering you just came out of nowhere to make the post. vote: Edse.

I don't think it needs explanation, but that is a very very common thing for scum to do d1. Vote someone and try to get a wagon started for a trivial reason. That vote oozes badness. Nonetheless, could just be a really weak reason to start a wagon as town to learn information.

That brings us to his second post.

vote: Murska

While I'd pile on Lassie now due to his survive a lynch claim (that's not exactly a townie ability), I think we should at least get one additional wagon rolling to keep things interesting. Day two was a Visor wipeout that didn't add much in the way of genuine reactions. Murska's been defending Lassie all game in some capacity, so I'd like to see how the rest of the player base reacts in a tight vote.

The substance of what he's saying here is somewhat townie, but the reasoning seems a little off to me. He's picking Murska solely because he's been defending Lassie all game, and because he wants to "see how the rest of the player base reacts". Again, could conceivable come from either alignment, but if Murska is town like I think he might be... well, we'll see.

I don't find Lassies claim very believable tbh, and if someone did get roleblocked I can imagine that it could well have been Lassie.



The vote is not tight Backwards, if anything you have made it looser by voting Murska
Lassie (6)
Cuth (2)
Al Sips (2)
Legato (1)
Mat93 (1)
Murska (1)

I do find your reasoning to be very fishy, why not Cuth or Sips - that would be tightening the Wagon and you may well get enough support for a completing lynch, as it is your vote seems factually correct but pretty useless, unless of course it's your intention to widen the field and spread the votes.

I can get behind a Lassie lynch very easily, but for now Vote:Al Sipsclar

Underlining mine.

I never said the vote was tight, just that I'd like to see it tight. If I wanted to widen the field I'd just vote Lassie and be done with it ala GoldenKnight.

Also, my reasoning is fishy, yet factually correct? How is that even possible?

Could be shading, could be quibbling over nonsense. I'd like @Backwards Logic to explain the bold, please.

Sorry for lack of posting. Real life has been busy with work and haven't had any time to sit down and dig into things. In fact, the hammer had been reached for Lassie before I even saw it.

I find it interesting the guy who posts a billion times a minute strongest lead is Visor's read on me back on day one. I'm not entirely sure what to make of this: on one hand he's clearly been active, but if that's the best he has what has he been doing? If he want to lynch me on my meta play of laying low as scum, fine, but at least say so and state that's his strongest lead. I almost get the sense he's trying to look townie with all of the posting/innocuous question asking but are too afraid to stick his own neck out on an original case. He uses a ton of hitchhiking Visor's reads to make his 'case.'

vote: glossy

Others I'd look at:

landlubber: his defense of me pinged me when others scoffed at my large post. Why defend me the way he has? Trying to grab fake townie points if/when I'm lynched? Also the reasoning for tacking onto the Lassie vote yesterday seemed very forced, like, "I'm bandwagoning here, but I better say something townie that doesn't look like I'm bandwagoning."

edse: Fake activity with the Zack post/accusation on D1 and really nothing more. Flinched on the Cuth accusation (post804), or could be read as forced distancing between the two.

Cuth: The flip-flopping votes with no reason and the 'oops I hammered' post. It only would have taken a quick second to count the Lassie votes, but instead carelessly voted Lassie to finish him off (he needed to vote, he says...). Zack already hit on it, but it's like your vote goes in whichever direction the wind is blowing. Post 1914 to me is interesting: States multiple of Auto/chox/murska/Lassie is scum, yet has not done anything since to dig further/push that line of reasoning. In fact, he's been suspicious of choxorn since at least post 1289, yet still there's no follow-up. That's a long time not to push a case. Are the bandwagon cases really better than your own reads?

My gut says one of Cuth/edse is scum, leaning more towards Cuth atm though could envision a scenario where both are.

Long day at work tomorrow, then perhaps I'll have time to follow up.

Complaining that he couldn't stop Lassie's lynch, whiiiich is another of those things we were talking about. Heavily shading and voting Lassie.

Note: he's been pushing edse in his few posts in a way that I don't think he would if they were both wolves. They're not w/w.

Now we come to imo the worst post so far:

Did anyone else find this as scummy as I did? I'm still leaning glossy over him, but to just show up and vote on the new bandwagon of the day does not earn him any townie points in my book.

Thread polling, shading... this has little townie motivation, at least if it comes as one of nine posts. Bad.

Here's the problem with the argument against me: It's all meta related. Yea, I tend to lurk as scum, but it has absolutely no bearing for this game. How have the meta arguments worked so far? Go ahead and lynch me if it gets rid of that lingering question a handful of you seem to have. You'll be painfully disappointed when I flip town.

My vote on you was not OMGUS, it is your play. You call out a bunch of people to make reads and push cases, and even now today it's "lynch one of these six or seven people." That's not town, that's misdirection. You haven't pushed any of them with anything convincing. You call choxorn out on making obvious statements, then go ahead and do it yourself. Then choxorn makes one post and suddenly everything is honky-dory. On top of it, you claim to be following along, yet how exactly do you miss that KM replaced Xym? This is the kind of thing scum miss - it doesn't impact them directly so it's a thought that gets neglected. Townies on the other hand have to make cases/leans on almost everyone, so a player change is something that's going to stick out. I'm only half following along due to time and I knew this.

How exactly is Zack town? He pushed a bunch of cases (sort of), they were all wrong, and now he's claiming he's taking a backseat now and letting others drive the cases. Assuming he's scum (and I'm leaning that he is - he's been wrong as town before and never took his foot off the gas like this), doesn't it make sense for another scum to start directing and driving the cases on other townies to take the focus off of Zack?

Vote: Zack. You don't do this as town.

I'm seeing a glossy/Zack/choxorn/murska connection right now, I'm getting scum vibes from landlubber, and the cass post that's somehow incriminated him seems to be glossy grasping at straws. I've made the "look at x player tomorrow" post as town. Hell, we all have - if this guy flips, then look this way. If not, look at these guys. It's how you play the game. So I find it highly suspicious and slightly hilarious when two of the more active posters grab onto something so trivial and run with it. Oh and why Murska?



Underlining mine. Unless Zack is scum? Obvious statement is obvious. And why the backpedaling on Zack? It's like you're hedging your bets in such a way that if Zack flips scum, you have an out (oops, I was deceived!). While we're calling people out on making trivial statements and Capt. Obvious posts, I'm assuming glossy will get around and make the post calling Murksa out as such. Oh wait...



Underling again mine. Don't lynch Zack, unless he's scum... WHAT?!?!

tl:dr

glossy/Zack/Murska/choxorn/ possibly landlubber. Start with the four, then we'll sort it out from there.

My main problem with this is that I think it's almost never glossy/zack anyone else. Also, the way he's complaining about sushi's case doesn't rub me the right way. On the whole, one of his better posts as far as looking townie.

Okay. Right now I'm looking at a scum team of Legato, BL, and Cass. Thoughts?

You'd be sadly misguided.

This one was in response to one of my posts where I made a sharp read. Aaand fluff. Nine posts, spending one on fluff. Ok. Rather than explaining why not or defending them? No, that would be too much trouble to ensure that you can prove you're a townie by finding town, scum, and defending them and keeping us from having to worry about you in lylo? Meh.

And then the final post, just at SoD today.

Okay. Right now I'm looking at a scum team of Legato, BL, and Cass. Thoughts?

vote: Glossy.

Concocted the terrible lynch of Cass, along with everything else I stated in post 2177. Teammates with Zack, KM, Murska, and Cuth - just look at the voting patterns. Lynch right down the line and we'll have this still. KM for defending Zack/finishing off Cass, Cuth for agreeing with glossy on anything and everything, and Murska for the connections with glossy. And if you still don't believe me on Zack:

Originally Posted by Zack View Post
Disagree. Makes no sense for scum to make such a concerted, in-depth case against me. Why would scum want to lynch Zack? They obviously want me alive, I keep lynching townies. I really doubt a scumbag comes after me like that, when they're under no pressure and I haven't given them any heat. A (misguided) townie frustrated with leadership made post #2177.

Underlining mine. I went from scum fodder to "save" someone to what amounts to being a confirmed townie in one post.

Notes from here: if he's scum there's likely (only) one in Zack, KM, Murska, and Cuth.

 

[Cuthillius]

from BL's posts, i would be more comfortable lynching him than edse.

 

[Cuthillius]

Also, if it actually is one of Glossy or Zack, they deserve the win. But I still doubt it.

 

[Legato Endless]

Cas pairing notes:

One of Newyn and Visor is probably scum?

Hmm. Soft push, super uncommitted. Not much on it's own, Cuth has bounced around so much it's hard to get a sense of things. Not much here I think.

Alright.

What are your thoughts so far?

Stock mafia comment. Decent enough.

Sensing the winds of change and sliding into a more popular opinion? Visor's been pretty consistent, I'd like more of an explanation on what exactly changed your view of him that's more in-depth than "it's not scummy anymore". Especially with that opening line, good morning pleasant and intelligent associate sirs, seems like you're trying hard to get on the good side of the most active posters.

Vote: landlubber

Tonally a bit different.

Or a less stupidly vague question - gun to your head, who do you vote for right now?

Question appears to be given to Chox, so I'm not sure what Cass meant here. Number error?

Some of those votes seemed opportunistic. Let me go dig them up.

I particularly hated the Murska, Al Sips, Cuthilius, and landlubber votes on you.

Murska is shaping up, though, so I think she actually sincerely believes you're scum.

Hmmm.

Good morning friends.

unvote: Visor. His behavior isn't at all scummy to me anymore.

I somewhat disagree with the apparent consensus about BL. The post struck me as slightly odd, but BL's the type to always want to be a little unpredictable. Lynching him this early on would be a mistake.

I'm feeling worst about Al Sips. Call it slightly hypocritical of me, but his vote on Visor feels way too contrived. vote:Al Sips

Defensive yes, but not really completely unnatural. LL is pretty pithy when he needs to be. Although this does give the promise of a great spew read if LL is scum. At the least this lends credence, Backwards' status in your mind has a lot of bleed over into how you view the rest of the game as Chox's analysis alludes.

 

[Legato Endless]

You think I'd really consistently lynch all the other top posters and implicate myself as scum? Heck no. I'm smarter than that.
I've just been playing terribly. Quite.

In no universe of alignment is this argument persuasive. It's like Obi-wan's "We're smarter than this," when they've been trapped by a forcefield in Episode III. That's just begging the question.

He buddied with BL a bit the next day and then said about Cuthillius's suspicion of a BL/Legato/Cass scum team "That's arguably the strangest scum hypothesis in the thread. I don't have the foggiest how that's even supposed to work." He didn't offer much else on this, though. He said "BL is obvious town" about one of his posts but on the other hand, you did the same.

I would say that Legato is certainly the most likely to be #4 if BL/landlubber/edse are the first 3, and the least likely to be #4 if the first 3 are Cuth/Glossy/Zack.

Pairing Cass with either myself or BL was my point of confusion. Cass and my interactions were incredibly bizarre for a scum-scum team up, and BL was some strange afterthought in being paired with her. It's hard to fake the chaos and subtexted emotion that tainted our inconsistent back and forth. Granted, I'm very biased here. I can definitely see why people would pair BL and me, it was Cass being connected to either of us that sounded preposterous.

I'm really not liking this bandwagon on Glossy. Assuming I'm right that 4/11 players are scum, the mafia very much want to try to get a bandwagon forming so they can hammer and get the mislynch they need to win; being that hasty to vote probably isn't a good move for town or it's just a scum play. We need to be careful about piling votes onto someone.

Being hasty is fair enough, but piling on votes is what town has to do at this juncture. If the wagons stay small or close, the mafia can snipe at the end of the day.

 

[Cuthillius]

Okay, I'm not going to go through in that depth on every one. But chox seems pretty clean from what I can tell. His reads and progressions make sense and are fairly towny, afaict

 

[Cuthillius]

Hm. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm thinking that one of edse and BL almost has to be scum.

 

[Glossysushi]

Legato dude, don't just pick out the one part of my post you don't like. What do you think about the other things I wrote, hmm?