Background for A Brave New World

EQandcivfanatic · Mar 24, 2008

I still think the move was a big mistake, but I'll let time vindicate my views. After talking to a variety of people, I've decided to retain the NES on these forums. Also on that note, I'll have a finished stat list and ruleset by the end of this week, so we'll probably see the actual thread be posted within the next two weeks.

The Loser · Mar 24, 2008

Could i change from two sicilys to Siam please?

Thank you.

Justo · Mar 24, 2008

Great news I wasn't expecting this so soon

EQandcivfanatic · Mar 24, 2008

Also, here is another teaser for all of you. A preliminary change list for the alterations of the ruleset for the World Turned Upside Down.

1. The useless stat of Global Opinion has been eliminated.
2. New rules have been added for the creation and development of colonies.
3. Separate ruleset for "uncivilized nations."
4. Public Spending can now actually be used on a variety of different goals.
5. Military Spending can no longer be used for research. Instead, only Private Enterprise can be used in researching techs.
6. A precise list has been created to reflect the consequences of shifting IC around.
7. New rules involving background research, all background questions involving nations will only be answered on this thread.
8. Projects have been reintroduced, also, they can be interrupted or even halted all together should a disaster occur.
9. A limit has been set on unit creation, based on IC limitations. We will not have a repeat of a million-man Islamic army in 1930. Also, this will force more strategic decisions and constraints upon players and provide more realism.
10. Military Organizations have been temporarily eliminated, though we can expect their eventual return to this NES as well.

Yui108 · Mar 24, 2008

Sounds like a good rule set.
I must have missed it, but what year does this NES start?

EQandcivfanatic · Mar 24, 2008

This NES starts in 1830.

Yui108 · Mar 24, 2008

Thank you EQ.

EQandcivfanatic · Mar 24, 2008

The finalized stats based off of painstaking research and development:

Spoiler :

Angst · Mar 24, 2008

Denmark: lord_joakim
Absolute Monarchy: King Frederick VI
Capital: Copenhagen
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 2 Infantry Divisions, 1 Cavalry Division
Army Quality: 3
Navy: 9 Frigates, 7 Man-o-Wars
Navy Quality: 3

...

Confirming.

germanicus12 · Mar 24, 2008

Does New York really have no Navy? Historically during the American Revolution they advocated the need for a navy, during the war of 1812, New York Harbor was the Headquarters for the US navy before it moved to Annapolis.

Not that I am upset at having no navy, I dont really care, just found it odd that the state who voiced the most, second to Virginia, the use of a navy has none.

D'Artagnan59 · Mar 24, 2008

Can I switch to Spain?

sp1023 · Mar 24, 2008

Nice!

tenchar

qoou · Mar 24, 2008

EQandcivfanatic said:
The finalized stats based off of painstaking research and development:

Spoiler :

Civilized Nations

Argentina: Eaglestriker
Presidential Dictatorship: Juan Rosas
Capital: Buenos Aires
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 4 Militia Divisions
Army Quality: 2
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 2

Austrian Empire: e350tb
Absolute Monarchy: Emperor Francis II
Capital: Vienna
Dissent: 20%
Base IC: 4
Military Spending: 2
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 2
Army: 9 Infantry Divisions, 2 Cavalry Divisions
Army Quality: 3
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 1

Baden
Absolute Monarchy: King Leopold
Capital: Baden
Dissent: 1%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 1 Infantry Division
Army Quality: 3
Navy: landlocked
Navy Quality: 1

Bavaria
Absolute Monarchy: King Ludwig
Capital: Munich
Dissent: 1%
Base IC: 2
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 2 Infantry Divisions
Army Quality: 3
Navy: landlocked
Navy Quality: 1

Belgium
Constitutional Monarchy: Liberal PM
Capital: Brussels
Dissent: 0%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 3 Infantry Divisions, 1 Cavalry Division
Army Quality: 3
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 1

Brazil: Pinman
Absolute Monarchy: Emperor Pedro
Capital: Brasilia
Dissent: 10%
Base IC: 2
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 2 Infantry Divisions, 1 Cavalry Division
Army Quality: 2
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 1

British Empire: Tyrion
Constitutional Monarchy: Conservative PM
Capital: London
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 8
Military Spending: 3
Public Spending: 1
Private Enterprise: 4
Army: 15 Infantry Divisions, 2 Cavalry Divisions
Army Quality: 4
Navy: 55 Frigates, 41 Man-o-Wars
Navy Quality: 4

Canada: j_eps
Republic: Federalist Party
Capital: Ottawa
Dissent: 10%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 3 Militia Divisions
Army Quality: 2
Navy: 2 Frigates
Navy Quality: 2

Carolina
Constitutional Monarchy: Anti-Federalist PM
Capital: Charleston
Dissent: 15%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 4 Militia Divisions
Army Quality: 2
Navy: 4 Frigates
Navy Quality: 2

Chile
Republic: Conservative Party
Capital: Santiago
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 1 Infantry Division, 1 Cavalry Division
Army Quality: 2
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 1

Connecticut
Absolute Monarchy: King Richard
Capital: Hartford
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 2 Infantry Divisions
Army Quality: 3
Navy: 2 Frigates
Navy Quality: 2

Delaware
Republic: Whig Party (Liberal)
Capital: Dover
Dissent: 1%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 1 Militia Division
Army Quality: 2
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 2

Denmark: lord_joakim
Absolute Monarchy: King Frederick VI
Capital: Copenhagen
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 2 Infantry Divisions, 1 Cavalry Division
Army Quality: 3
Navy: 9 Frigates, 7 Man-o-Wars
Navy Quality: 3

Ecuador
Military Dictatorship: General Juan Flores
Capital: Quito
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 1 Infantry Division
Army Quality: 2
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 1

Federal Republic of Central America
Republic: Liberal Party
Capital: Guatemala City
Dissent: 30%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 1 Infantry Division
Army Quality: 2
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 1

Franklin
Republic: Anti-Federalist Party
Capital: Jonesborough
Dissent: 1%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 1 Militia Division
Army Quality: 2
Navy: landlocked
Navy Quality: 2

French Empire: crezth
Absolute Monarchy: King Louis Phillipe
Capital: Paris
Dissent: 10%
Base IC: 4
Military Spending: 2
Public Spending: 1
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 14 Infantry Divisions, 3 Cavalry Divisions
Army Quality: 4
Navy: 30 Frigates, 33 Man-o-Wars
Navy Quality: 3

Georgia: luckymoose
Gubernatorial Dictatorship: Governor John Forsyth
Capital: Savannah
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 5 Militia Divisions
Army Quality: 2
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 2

Greece
Absolute Monarchy: King Otto
Capital: Athens
Dissent: 0%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 4 Infantry Divisions
Army Quality: 3
Navy: 2 Frigates
Navy Quality: 2

Haiti: Fuschia
Presidential Dictatorship: Jean Boyer
Capital: Port-au-Prince
Dissent: 15%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 1 Militia Division
Army Quality: 2
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 1

Kentucky: warman17
Republic: Anti-Federalist Party
Capital: Danville
Dissent: 1%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 3 Militia Divisions
Army Quality: 2
Navy: landlocked
Navy Quality: 1

Maryland
Absolute Monarchy: King Thomas II
Capital: Baltimore
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 1 Infantry Division
Army Quality: 3
Navy: 2 Frigates
Navy Quality: 2

Massachusetts: TheLastJacobite
Republic: Federalist Party
Capital: Boston
Dissent: 1%
Base IC: 2
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 4 Militia Divisions
Army Quality: 2
Navy: 1 Man-o-War, 10 Frigates
Navy Quality: 4

Mexican Empire: TerrisH
Absolute Monarchy: Emperor Augustin
Capital: Mexico City
Dissent: 25%
Base IC: 3
Military Spending: 2
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 8 Infantry, 2 Cavalry
Army Quality: 2
Navy: 1 Frigate
Navy Quality: 2

Morocco
Absolute Monarchy: Sultan Abderrahmane
Capital: Rabat
Dissent: 1%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 5 Militia Divisions
Army Quality: 2
Navy: 14 Frigates
Navy Quality: 3

Netherlands: sp1023
Absolute Monarchy: King William
Capital: Amsterdam
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 3
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 1
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 3 Infantry Divisions, 1 Cavalry Divisions
Army Quality: 3
Navy: 14 Frigates, 5 Man-O-Wars
Navy Quality: 3

New Hampshire
Republic: Anti-Federalist Party
Capital: Concord
Dissent: 10%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 1 Militia Division
Army Quality: 2
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 1

New Jersey
Gubernatorial Dictatorship: Governor Isaac Williamson
Capital: Trenton
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 2 Militia Divisions
Army Quality: 2
Navy: 1 Frigate
Navy Quality: 2

New York: germanicus12
Republic: Federalist Party
Capital: New York City
Dissent: 1%
Base IC: 3
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 3
Army: 6 Militia Divisions
Army Quality: 3
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 1

Nova Scotia: LightFang
Republic: Whig Party (Conservative)
Capital: Halifax
Dissent: 1%
Base IC: 2
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 6 Militia Divisions
Army Quality: 3
Navy: 8 Frigates
Navy Quality: 3

Ohio: bombshoo
Gubernatorial Dictatorship: Governor Allen Trimble
Capital: Marietta
Dissent: 10%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 4 Militia Divisions
Army Quality: 3
Navy: 1 Frigate
Navy Quality: 2

Ottoman Empire: HMS Vanguard
Absolute Monarchy: Sultan Mahmud II
Capital: Ankara
Dissent: 20%
Base IC: 2
Military Spending: 2
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 6 Militia Divisions, 5 Infantry Divisions, 2 Cavalry Divisions
Army Quality: 3
Navy: 10 Frigates, 13 Man-O-Wars
Navy Quality: 2

Papal States: yui108
Catholic Theocracy: Pope Gregory XVI
Capital: Rome
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 3 Infantry Divisions
Army Quality: 3
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 1

Paraguay
Presidential Dictatorship: Consul Jose Francia
Capital: Asuncion
Dissent: 10%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 1 Infantry Division
Army Quality: 2
Navy: landlocked
Navy Quality: 1

Pennsylvania: Head Serf
Republic: Anti-Federalist Party
Capital: Harrisburg
Dissent: 1%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 1 Militia Division
Army Quality: 2
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 1

Peru-Bolivian Confederation
Military Dictatorship: Supreme Protector Andres Santa Cruz
Capital: Sucre
Dissent: 25%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 1 Infantry Division
Army Quality: 2
Navy: 2 Frigates
Navy Quality: 2

Portugal
Absolute Monarchy: King Ferdinand II
Capital: Lisbon
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 2
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 2 Infantry Divisions
Army Quality: 3
Navy: 7 Man-O-Wars
Navy Quality: 3

Prussia: The Farow
Absolute Monarchy: King Frederick William III
Capital: Berlin
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 3
Military Spending: 2
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 9 Infantry Divisions, 4 Cavalry Divisions
Army Quality: 4
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 1

Quebec: DArtagnan59
Republic: Partei Patriot (Conservative)
Capital: Quebec City
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 2 Militia Divisions
Army Quality: 2
Navy: 3 Frigates
Navy Quality: 3

Republic of New Granada
Republic: Conservative Party
Capital: Bogotá
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 1 Infantry Division, 1 Cavalry Division
Army Quality: 2
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 1

Rhode Island
Republic: Anti-Federalist Party
Capital: Providence
Dissent: 1%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 1 Militia Division
Army Quality: 2
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 1

Russian Empire: qoou
Absolute Monarchy: Tsar Constantine
Capital: St. Petersburg
Dissent: 30%
Base IC: 4
Military Spending: 3
Public Spending: 1
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 12 Infantry Divisions, 10 Cavalry Divisions
Army Quality: 3
Navy: 15 Frigates, 61 Man-O-Wars
Navy Quality: 2

Sardinia-Piedmont
Absolute Monarchy: King Charles Albert
Capital: Turin
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 4 Infantry Divisions, 1 Cavalry Division
Army Quality: 3
Navy: 4 Frigates
Navy Quality: 3

Serbia
Absolute Monarchy: King Milos
Capital: Belgrade
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 1 Infantry Division
Army Quality: 3
Navy: landlocked
Navy Quality: 1

Spain
Absolute Monarchy: King Ferdinand VII
Capital: Madrid
Dissent: 15%
Base IC: 3
Miltiary Spending: 1
Public Spending: 1
Private Enterprise; 1
Army: 5 Infantry Divisions, 1 Cavalry Division
Army Quality: 3
Navy: 5 Frigates, 3 Man-O-Wars
Navy Quality: 2

Sweden-Norway: bestshot9
Absolute Monarchy: King Karl XIV
Capital: Stockholm
Dissent: 10%
Base IC: 2
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 2 Infantry Divisions, 1 Cavalry Division
Army Quality: 3
Navy: 5 Frigates, 9 Man-O-Wars
Navy Quality: 3

Switzerland
Republic: Protestant Faction
Capital: Geneva
Dissent: 25%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 1 Infantry Division
Army Quality: 4
Navy: landlocked
Navy Quality: 1

Tennessee: human_slaughter
Gubernatorial Dictatorship: Governor Andrew Jackson
Capital: Nashville
Dissent: 10%
Base IC: 2
Military Spending: 1
Public spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 4 Infantry Divisions
Army Quality: 3
Navy: landlocked
Navy Quality: 1

Tunisia
Republic: Party of the Bey (Conservative)
Capital: Tunis
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 2 Militia Divisions, 1 Infantry Division
Army Quality: 2
Navy: 6 Frigates
Navy Quality: 2

Two Sicilies
Absolute Monarchy: King Ferdinand II
Capital: Naples
Dissent: 5%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 3 Infantry Divisions, 1 Cavalry Division
Army Quality: 3
Navy: 5 Frigates
Navy Quality: 3

Uruguay
Republic: Blanco Party (Conservative)
Capital: Montevideo
Dissent: 10%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 1 Infantry Division
Army Quality: 2
Navy: 1 Frigate
Navy Quality: 2

Venezuela
Republic: Conservative Party
Capital: Caracas
Dissent: 1%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 0
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 1 Infantry Division, 1 Cavalry Division
Army Quality: 2
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 1

Vermont: Swissempire
Republic: Anti-Federalist Party
Capital: Montpelier
Dissent: 15%
Base IC: 1
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 0
Army: 1 Cavalry Division
Army Quality: 3
Navy: none
Navy Quality: 1

Virginia
Absolute Monarchy: King Robert
Capital: Richmond
Dissent: 10%
Base IC: 2
Military Spending: 1
Public Spending: 0
Private Enterprise: 1
Army: 4 Infantry Divisions, 1 Cavalry Division
Army Quality: 4
Navy: 4 Frigates
Navy Quality: 2

Uncivilized Nations

Abyssinia: honzas_cz
Absolute Monarchy: Iyasu IV
Capital: Addis Abba
Dissent: 5%
Production Capacity: 1
Army: 3 Native Divisions

Afghanistan
Absolute Monarchy: Emir Dost Khan
Capital: Kabul
Dissent: 0%
Production Capacity: 1
Army: 5 Native Divisions, 1 Mounted Native Division

Burma
Absolute Monarchy: Min Bagyidaw
Capital: Rangoon
Dissent: 15%
Production Capacity: 1
Army: 5 Native Divisions

China: Azale
Absolute Monarchy: Daoguang Emperor
Capital: Peking
Dissent: 30%
Production Capacity: 6
Army: 35 Native Divisions, 2 Mounted Native Divisions

Egypt: Abbadon
Absolute Monarchy: Khedive Muhammad Pasha
Capital: Cairo
Dissent: 10%
Production Capacity: 3
Army: 6 Native Divisions, 2 Mounted Native Divisions

Korea
Absolute Monarchy: King Yi Gong
Capital: Seoul
Dissent: 15%
Production Capacity: 2
Army: 4 Native Divisions

Japan: Justo
Shogunate: Shogun Tokugawa Ienari
Capital: Edo
Dissent: 10%
Production Capacity: 3
Army: 6 Native Divisions

Nejd
Absolute Monarchy: Imam Turki ibn Abdullah
Capital: Riyadh
Dissent: 1%
Production capacity: 1
Army: 3 Native Divisions

Oman
Absolute Monarchy: Sultan Said ibn Sultan
Capital: Muscat
Dissent: 10%
Production Capacity: 2
Army: 2 Native Divisions

Persia
Absolute Monarchy: Shah Fath Ali
Capital: Tehran
Dissent: 10%
Production Capacity: 3
Army: 6 Native Divisions, 1 Mounted Native Division

Siam: The Loser
Absolute Monarchy: King Rama III
Capital: Bangkok
Dissent: 5%
Production Capacity: 3
Army: 4 Native Divisions

Sokoto Caliphate
Absolute Monarchy: Sultan Muhammed Bello
Capital: Sokoto
Dissent: 15%
Production Capacity: 2
Army: 3 Mounted Native Divisions

Tibet
Buddhist Theocracy: Dalai Lama Tsultrim
Capital: Lhasa
Dissent: 5%
Production Capacity: 1
Army: 1 Native Division

Vietnam
Absolute Monarchy: King Min Mang
Capital: Saigon
Dissent: 5%
Production Capacity: 1
Army: 3 Native Divisions

Yemen
Absolute Monarchy: Imam Zaydi IX
Capital: Sana
Dissent: 15%
Production Capacity: 1
Army: 1 Native Division

I'm assuming that Russia has such a low income because it's behind technologically and hasn't modernized yet, right? (no Crimean war yet)

a_propagandist · Mar 24, 2008

Request order:
1. Spain
2. Portugal
3. Belgium

Jason The King · Mar 24, 2008

ok im in for Virginia.

EQandcivfanatic · Mar 24, 2008

The thread has been put up. You can find it here:

http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?t=268809

Final nation abckgrounds will be added by the end of the evening.

EQandcivfanatic · Mar 25, 2008

The background posts are now complete.

Terrance888 · Mar 29, 2008

Will anyone hate me for taking Rhode Island? It is a wimp of a country (OOC) and good for King Richard's Ego. Also, can you describe how he acts?

EQandcivfanatic · Mar 29, 2008

King Richard is rather arrogant and so forth. He'd be the type to invade Rhode Island (NPC he would have). Your people would support an invasion of Rhode Island as well. Only Mass., which has backed other republics in the north would have historic causi belli to attack you. On the other hand, maybe New York could use it as an excuse to expand as well.

Pinman · Mar 29, 2008

EQ, based on my actions this turn, would you feel that the Brazilian people would still want to force Pedro I to abdicate?

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