Ban on religion

[A'AbarachAmadan]

Well, if the majority appoves it -- it is.

No, that would be mob rule. An important component of democracy is to protect the minority from the tyranny of the majority.

 

[Gilder]

Edit: I agree that Atheism is a Religion. It's the Religion of no God!

There's an oxymoron if I ever saw one.

 

[cgannon64]

Actually, religious wars are almost exclusively caused by governments, not religion.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

see, that arguement doesn't work on me either. As those s were caused by government not atheism (not to say that it wasn't terrible!). Religious wars on the other hand are the cause of religion.

There were lots of people killd by Stalin and Lenin because they refused to stop their beliefs. There were probably millions killd for this reason. Then there was oppression for 80 years for those who did decide to give up their faith.

 

[Gilder]

Dictionary.com says:

1.
A. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
B. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.

Athiests don't believe in god. It's the lack of a believe. If you try and get all wordy on me by saying "But they believe that a god doesn't exist." Then you are just nitpicking and grasping at straws.

 

[Birdjaguar]

It had a considerable impact, actually.

It had an impact by punishing people who openly expressed belief, but it certainly did not stop belief or shut down the orthodox church. Once the pressure was lifted in 1989, the church came right back.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

There's an oxymoron if I ever saw one.

Try finding a definition of Religon that everyone agrees with. If you do, then your the greatest Philosopher ever!

 

[Communisto]

There were lots of people killd by Stalin and Lenin because they refused to stop their beliefs. There were probably millions killd for this reason. Then there was oppression for 80 years for those who did decide to give up their faith.

What's your point? I don't support the communism. Both government and religion are obsolete.

 

[Gilder]

As always, dicitonary.com has the answer. And to put, I'll look up Athiest and look both up on Wiki.

Atheist (Dictionary.com's definiton)

One who disbelieves or denies the existence of God or gods

Religion (The Wiki Definition):

...is commonly defined as belief concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine, and the moral codes, practices, values, institutions and rituals associated with such belief.

Atheism* (The Wiki Definition):

Atheism, in its broadest sense, is characterized by an absence of belief in the existence of gods. It should not be assumed that atheists will be in agreement on anything other than their mutual absence of theism, although atheists will often be found sharing common concerns regarding evidence and the scientific method of investigation.

*When typing 'Atheist' in a Wiki search, it led to Atheism

Note: Wiki defs are simply the shortened paraphrasements on the top of the Wiki articles.

 

[nonconformist]

Calling atheism a religion is like calling baldness a hair colour.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

What's your point? I don't support the communism.

My point is that Atheists have killd lots of people.

Both government and religion are obsolete.

Wow! I'm convinced! What a compelling arguement!

 

[Fox Mccloud]

Calling atheism a religion is like calling baldness a hair colour.

I've only heard that one about 17 million times!

Anyway, if you want to discuss why religion is, or is not a Religion, than please start another thread for that.

 

[Gilder]

My point is that Atheists have killed lots of people.

That's you basic arguement? If they don't worship one religion, they're automatically atheist, and since Stalin and Lenin wanted to ban it, in a communal state free of diversity and classes (lower, middle, upper), it makes them atheists and killers?

Edit: Well, of course they're killers, the former is more important.

 

[Fox Mccloud]

Wiki defs are simply the shortened paraphrasements on the top of the Wiki articles.

Buddhism is often called a Religion. I don't believe it says anything about God, iirc.

 

[Communisto]

My point is that Atheists have killd lots of people.

You figured that out all by yourself? Religion is and always has been the largest blight on the world. It's caused far more deaths and wrong than right. Above that, it brings division among people and regresses human progress to unity.

 

[nonconformist]

I've only heard that one about 17 million times!

Anyway, if you want to discuss why religion is, or is not a Religion, than please start another thread for that.

Well, let's consider it logically, right?
A person who is bald does not have hair, and therefore does not have a hair colour.
A person who is atheist does not have a god, and cannot be asked aout his god, which is a religious belief.
Unless, of course, you think Communism is a religion?

 

[nonconformist]

Buddhism is often called a Religion. I don't believe it says anything about God, iirc.

Buddhism comes under many forms, some of them believeing in supernatural beings, others only in enlightenment.
You'd really have to ask Blackheart.

 

[Aphex_Twin]

My point is that Atheists have killd lots of people.

A lot of people were killed by quite a lot of different kinds of people. Now, you are going to accept this or I'll have to kill you

 

[Fox Mccloud]

That's you basic arguement? If they don't worship one religion, they're automatically atheist, and since Stalin and Lenin wanted to ban it, in a communal state free of diversity and classes (lower, middle, upper), it makes them atheists and killers?

According to Wikipedia's list of Atheists, Stalin was an Atheist. Besides that, I don't see your point.

 

[Gilder]

Buddhism is often called a Religion. I don't believe it says anything about God, iirc.

Did you read the definition at all?

Religion... is commonly defined as belief concerning the supernatural, sacred, or divine, and the moral codes, practices, values, institutions and rituals associated with such belief.

Buddhism may be a religion, but it does have religious codes.

According to Wikipedia's list of Atheists, Stalin was an Atheist. Besides that, I don't see your point.

I'm not seeing your point. People who deny the existance of some supreme being may kill, but as stated above many times wars of religion have killed many more. The Crusades ring a bell?

Ahteism is a not a belief. To call it the belief that there is no god, is just a play on words.