Hygro
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Dachs, I kept wanting to say that but I didn't want to edit or double post, so thanks. There's no shortage of action in today's world. Glory on the battlefield can still be had by all.
Best Years To Be Born In?
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actually it was deliberately ambiguous so it could be interpreted either as stating that there was no glory in any war or that the world wars had plenty of glory just like every other one
Hygro
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Well I did not state that but I was thinking it. I was, however, answering with the premise of Omega, that there could be glory in war, and therefore today's wars are just as glorious.
Hygro
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May I suggest weighted critereon like
"Uniform Pizazz"
"Presence of Celebrated Elite"
"Rhetoric and Contrast of Ideological Struggle"
and of course "Ability to Inspire Alt-History Stories"
My reasons for saying that it's less glorious would be the massive dehumanization of combat from the unprecedentedly deadly artillery and use of chemical warfare against soldiers on both sides. Adding to that is the fact that the war had a very unsatisfactory resolution that did not even last two decades, and that its justifications, even in hindsight, are very weak. While we can look with hindsight at World War Two and say that Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were doing some awful things and had some very disagreeable ideologies that were worth fighting to put an end to, all of the major players in World War One were coming from comparatively more similar moral positions.
I remember hearing the argument somewhere from a typical American conservative that the Entente was democratic while the Central Powers were all dictatorships and therefore the Entente was better. I had trouble not laughing.
To be fair, I can see how people would have that impression, since England and France were a constitutional monarchy with an elected parliament and a republic respectively. Germany and Austria-Hungary both had parliaments, but had much greater power vested in their hereditary monarchs. Ottoman Turkey and Czarist Russia, however, were both very absolutist monarchies. My point being that there was a greater amount of what we would consider to be democracy in the Entente than in the Central Powers, although it's obviously not black and white.
plarq
Crazy forever
It's not the time that matters. but the place I was born...
I just realized that I'd forgotten about the Russian Duma which is an exceedingly small movement away from authoritarianism towards a more liberal democracy. Doesn't make a huge difference in the 'Entente is Democratic' argument though.
Chukchi Husky
Lone Wolf
I think I heard worse similar in Britain. The Entente deserved to win and were morally right because the Germans practised Darwinism.
Boundless
Deity
1900-1920. Age of enlightenment, and amazing music.
The music of the 1920's was best.
Quackers
The Frog
.... Promotion of union power, super high income tax rates, greed-is-bad culture, federal troops enforcing education integration, federally subsidized housing, the creation of government sponsored civilian space exploration, budget surpluses ()... A complete and utter adherence to Keynesian economic policy prescriptions.
and that's off the top of my head.
Greed is bad culture? Wuuut? :O
The understanding that what was good for everyone was, in fact, good for everyone. So it's better to allow everyone to become better off rather than just grabbing everything possible for the rich at the expense of everyone else.
Quackers
The Frog
Riiight.
Well the unsubstantiated right-wing cariciture position as posited by NickyJ is actually a reality for leftists. Very interesting ;p
Well the unsubstantiated right-wing cariciture position as posited by NickyJ is actually a reality for leftists. Very interesting ;p
