Between WWs
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LionQ
Noble
You're having a point there.Zeekater said:
Dom Pedro II
Modder For Life
Yes, it will probably be difficult... I think Smoking Mirror was working on something like this... a while back?
Rufus T. Firefly
Rufus is coming in town!
Italy
Leader:
king Vittorio Emanuele III or
Prime minister Ivanoe Bonomi (before 1922) or
prime minister (after 22 and before 26) or Duce (after 27) Benito Mussolini
Military leaders:
Duca d'Aosta
Pietro Badoglio
Italo Balbo
Scientific leaders:
Guglielmo Marconi
Luigi Pirandello
Benedetto Croce
Giovanni Gentile
Enrico Fermi
Umberto Nobile
UU: there are some good airplane in the forum, also the m-10 (but I'm not sure about the name) tank.
Leader:
king Vittorio Emanuele III or
Prime minister Ivanoe Bonomi (before 1922) or
prime minister (after 22 and before 26) or Duce (after 27) Benito Mussolini
Military leaders:
Duca d'Aosta
Pietro Badoglio
Italo Balbo
Scientific leaders:
Guglielmo Marconi
Luigi Pirandello
Benedetto Croce
Giovanni Gentile
Enrico Fermi
Umberto Nobile
UU: there are some good airplane in the forum, also the m-10 (but I'm not sure about the name) tank.
LionQ
Noble
I'd say: go for Mussoloni! 
Zeekater said:
Hmm I think you are little right
, but there are many cold wars without any war was caused.Thanks for your other opinions.
Red Alert: Hmm, I am not experienced, but I will try demonstrate great ecconomicaly problems caused after WW1 and Wall Street...
Varwnos: I was thinking about it but it take off two alliances and it started 10 years before 1933...
Rufus T. Firefly: It may be good, I will see...thanks for Italy
MaisseArsouye: Thanks for Belgium
Fox Mccloud: Danzig was neutral area under international coverage...
bombshoo: Yes but all these wars are not in this time period and China wasn´t in map of the Europe
. Maybe I may add some barbarian partisans in areas. 
Other idea I think I should realize but I am not sure which city is in Rhineland 
. But Spain is good idea but which cities may be under Republicans and other under socialists I dont know ... Austria may be without army, but they have good military and main reason for Anschluss without war is that Austria hadnt international support and had Fascist goverment..Maybe I could put them to Axis alliance, but I am not sure...W.i.n.t.e.r : I was thinking that Rhineland was under international coverage...
ozymandias: Hmm it will look like aggression and take off two alliances...
LionQ: It is sure
Other main informations which may you know...
I will take 1-3 special units only to all playable civilizations, and for others I will be adding after Scenario release. Which nations I make playable? France, Great Britain, Soviet Union, Italy, Germany, Poland
and maybe Yugoslavia if there is some unit I finished map without units and city improvement and I will include some changes in future...
LionQ
Noble
REDY said:... LionQ: It is sure
W.i.n.t.e.r
Frozen!
@Redy, the area West of the Rhine was Demilitarized under the Treaty of Versailles, the League of Nations - unlike the UN does today- never enjoyed having troops at its disposal, so there basicaly was no military "coverage" at all, while the territory remaining politically German. When Germany proved unable to pay up the reparations to France, as previously set in the Versailles Treaty, France declared its right to take things into its own hands and occupied the German area West of the Rhine, as well as several key cities by the Eastern shores of the Rhine. The fact that this had never been formaly agreed upon by any League of Nations member proves the factual non-existence of the League within the German territories- France hence acted in its own interest and not as member of the LoN, looting German fatories and resources, and forcing German civilians to work at gunpoint- entire villages were dismantled, and transported to France as compensation for those French destroyed during the war. All this happened after the declaration of piece and the agreements signed at the LoN.
OK, I will delete Cyprus nation(Lefkosia is now greek) and Danzig with Rhineland will be League of Nations without units in cities and not allowed producing any units without workers. But I dont know which city was initial for Rhineland- Frankfurt, Saabrucken, or which?
IMHO use Saarbrucken.
-Oz
-Oz
Louis XXIV
Le Roi Soleil
I thought Cyprus had been Brittish since the Berlin Conference.
@rhineland question.
hi, i looked at your map. there are some inaccuracies, concerning "rhineland". luxemburg is to far south, bonn is to much north. the important city of the rhineland is köln (cologne), that you did miss. think about, the the rhine region is one of the most popultated and industrial center of germany. this map woul probably help: http://haven.apolyton.net/maps/Europe/europe1850_1910ec.jpg
the rhineland was partitioned in 3 zones.
the first zone (northern rhine region, duisburg, düsseldorf, cologne) was occupied (french and belgian forces) until 1926. the second zone (the strip from aachen to koblenz) until 1929. the third (the actual called "rheinprovince" and the "pfalz (palatine engl.) " = trier, kaiserslautern) until 1930. The "Saargebiet" =Saarbrücken was under direct control of the LoN. The actual "demilitarized" (=demilitarized by german forces, the fortresses there were also destroyed) reached more to the east: including western south germany (baden = freiburg, karlsruhe; western part of hessen) and the 3 zones mentionend above. hope this will help
if you have other questions concerning germany in this period, i'm glad to help - not right now, cause now i'm away just leave a msg
hi, i looked at your map. there are some inaccuracies, concerning "rhineland". luxemburg is to far south, bonn is to much north. the important city of the rhineland is köln (cologne), that you did miss. think about, the the rhine region is one of the most popultated and industrial center of germany. this map woul probably help: http://haven.apolyton.net/maps/Europe/europe1850_1910ec.jpg
the rhineland was partitioned in 3 zones.
the first zone (northern rhine region, duisburg, düsseldorf, cologne) was occupied (french and belgian forces) until 1926. the second zone (the strip from aachen to koblenz) until 1929. the third (the actual called "rheinprovince" and the "pfalz (palatine engl.) " = trier, kaiserslautern) until 1930. The "Saargebiet" =Saarbrücken was under direct control of the LoN. The actual "demilitarized" (=demilitarized by german forces, the fortresses there were also destroyed) reached more to the east: including western south germany (baden = freiburg, karlsruhe; western part of hessen) and the 3 zones mentionend above. hope this will help
if you have other questions concerning germany in this period, i'm glad to help - not right now, cause now i'm away
just leave a msg
W.i.n.t.e.r
Frozen!
ozymandias said:
??? And what exactly has it got to do with the Rhineland??? As early as 1920, the Saarland was separated from the Rhine Province and put under French (political) administration. In 1946, the Rhine Province was divided up between the states of North Rhine-Westphalia and Rhineland-Palatinate.
"The Treaty of Versailles (1919) specified the de-militarisation of the entire area after World War I to provide a buffer between Germany on one side and France, Belgium and Luxembourg (and to a lesser extent, the Netherlands) on the other side.
In violation of the Locarno Pact and the Treaty of Versailles, Nazi Germany reoccupied the Rhineland on March 7, 1936. The occupation was done with very little military support and could easily have been stopped had it not been for the appeasement mentality of post-war Europe. The remilitarization of the Rhineland was very popular with locals, however, because of a resurgence of German nationalism and harbored bitterness over French occupation of the Rhineland until 1926." Encyclopedia Britanica
I'll say it once again: the League of Nations does not have anything (!) to do with the Rhineland. The Occupation of the German territories West of the Rhine is a part of the French security policy that was pushed through within the Versailles Treaty. Germany didn't join the League of Nation until 1926.
The Rhineland was in turn under the (at least on paper) authority of the Inter-Allied Rhineland Commission formed by the greater Allies of WWI. Again, nothing directly linked with the League of Nations (apart from the fact that France happens to be a full League of Nations member). Poland, though is again a whole different story.
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Make the region German yet demilitarized and low culture so as to leave significant gaps in territory around them, keeping the area virtualy separated from rest-Germany by the Rhine, reachable only via some chokepoints (fortresses or colonies) held by the French.
As those cities' culture will eventualy gradualy increase the French chokepoints will vanish little by little to allow remilitarization (have troops require resources non-available to the Rhineland that will only reach them after roads/airports having been built over time). Voila Monsieurs!
okay ... i am no not on my computer so i don`t have have the time and the resources to research exactly to who belonged saarland . in my opinion and as far as i know and as my historical atlas says, was the saarland _formally_ under control of the leauge of nations. it may be like a protectorat, that was administrated by one of the great powers of that special region - in that case france.
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the solution by giving low cultural value to the cities of the rhineland i consider best. in reality, they ended up with germany. but there were during the time of economic crisis in the "Republic of Weimar" (you should call germany that, the capital until hitlers coup was the city of Weimar (located in saxony); 'cause in berlin there were insurrections by extreme political groups) .. in the rhineland movements for _independence_. if this had been happened, germany would be significant weakend (loss of popolation and economic power) and these small states between would perhaps come after all under french influence (i suppose)
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i think it would be by all means good to give saarland to the LoN. Together with Danzig, Tanger, Suisse. would make france weaker, and oportunity for germany to bribe it - or to flip to france or to Germany, the rhineland should be one civ, the exclusion of saarland makes this civ "Allied Commission for the Rhineland" a little less stronger, and prevents it a bit building up cultural values.
saarland came by the treaty of Versailles under LoN control - although France had special economic rights.
Saarland came to the german empire in jan. 1935 by plebiscite of the population. hitler's troops marched into the rhineland in mar. 1936; which meant the end of the order of the treaty of versailles.
saarbrücken, should've small popolation, but great numbers of modernisations.
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i will post a map with my ideas at about afternoon at german time
now right now i just arrived from an electronic music party good night and good morning and good day
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the solution by giving low cultural value to the cities of the rhineland i consider best. in reality, they ended up with germany. but there were during the time of economic crisis in the "Republic of Weimar" (you should call germany that, the capital until hitlers coup was the city of Weimar (located in saxony); 'cause in berlin there were insurrections by extreme political groups) .. in the rhineland movements for _independence_. if this had been happened, germany would be significant weakend (loss of popolation and economic power) and these small states between would perhaps come after all under french influence (i suppose)
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i think it would be by all means good to give saarland to the LoN. Together with Danzig, Tanger, Suisse. would make france weaker, and oportunity for germany to bribe it - or to flip to france or to Germany, the rhineland should be one civ, the exclusion of saarland makes this civ "Allied Commission for the Rhineland" a little less stronger, and prevents it a bit building up cultural values.
saarland came by the treaty of Versailles under LoN control - although France had special economic rights.
Saarland came to the german empire in jan. 1935 by plebiscite of the population. hitler's troops marched into the rhineland in mar. 1936; which meant the end of the order of the treaty of versailles.
saarbrücken, should've small popolation, but great numbers of modernisations.
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i will post a map with my ideas at about afternoon at german time
now right now i just arrived from an electronic music party good night and good morning and good day in addition i think if this scenario depicts the time between 1933 and 1939, just 6 years, would'nt make sense. i think the period between 1919 and 1939 should be covered ... there should be a consense about, which time period should be covered.
after all, should be REDY's decision. a scenario between 1919 and 1939 would be much more interesting, in my opinion. what do _you_ think REDY?
after all, should be REDY's decision. a scenario between 1919 and 1939 would be much more interesting, in my opinion. what do _you_ think REDY?
okay, i started by placing the cities in the rhineland in their correct positions. as i was finished, i've redone the complete map. what do you think of this: this map shows europe in 1919.
i will post the map, when i finished redoing the railroads and irrigations.
features:
- every city is in the correct location (redy, you did quite a mess in russia
).
- population is completely realistic (20 city inhabitants represent 4 mio people); i used a population map of 1930; city sizes influenced by a city size map of 1910.
- there's a LoN civ. it controls Suisse (Bern and Geneve); Saarbrücken; Tanger and Danzig.
- there's a "Inter-Allied Rhineland Comission" Civ: controls the 3 Rhineland cities (Ruhr (=Düsseldorf, Essen, Duisburg pushed in one city), Köln and Mainz)
- Parts of Turkey are still controlled by allied forces: Antalya is Italian;
Adana is French, Smyrna is Greek. These forces stayed there until 1921/22.
- Triest is Italian (Zara not yet, became Italian in 1920) ...
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and so on, and so on ... will edit this post and attach map if terrain buildings are correctly set.
i will post the map, when i finished redoing the railroads and irrigations.
features:
- every city is in the correct location (redy, you did quite a mess in russia
). - population is completely realistic (20 city inhabitants represent 4 mio people); i used a population map of 1930; city sizes influenced by a city size map of 1910.
- there's a LoN civ. it controls Suisse (Bern and Geneve); Saarbrücken; Tanger and Danzig.
- there's a "Inter-Allied Rhineland Comission" Civ: controls the 3 Rhineland cities (Ruhr (=Düsseldorf, Essen, Duisburg pushed in one city), Köln and Mainz)
- Parts of Turkey are still controlled by allied forces: Antalya is Italian;
Adana is French, Smyrna is Greek. These forces stayed there until 1921/22.
- Triest is Italian (Zara not yet, became Italian in 1920) ...
...
and so on, and so on ... will edit this post and attach map if terrain buildings are correctly set.
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LionQ
Noble
Looks good. However, the Netherlands should have about 20 cities to represent the very greatness of the Dutch people. 
However, the Netherlands should have about 20 cities to represent the very greatness of the Dutch people. It looks great. I must clap my hands...
Russia: Yes, I know it. I dont like communism
About year:
I dont want do scenario for 5 years to officially start of WW2. It may continue in alternative history...
1919 - I wanted it but after war is not many different goverment systems..only Russians were in revolution and in war-lovers were new democracy goverments and it was changed later. It will be only economic game, and I have not ideas about alliances where all people want peace. But keep your work, I have idea about common work...you may change it in future, only some cities may reassign.
Ok now I am looking for reactions about year when start. I like to make scenario for all happy
Russia: Yes, I know it. I dont like communism
About year:
I dont want do scenario for 5 years to officially start of WW2. It may continue in alternative history...
1919 - I wanted it but after war is not many different goverment systems..only Russians were in revolution and in war-lovers were new democracy goverments and it was changed later. It will be only economic game, and I have not ideas about alliances where all people want peace. But keep your work, I have idea about common work...you may change it in future, only some cities may reassign.
Ok now I am looking for reactions about year when start. I like to make scenario for all happy
LionQ
Noble
Since it's a scenario about the interbellum, I think 1919 would be excellent.
Tank_Guy#3
Lion of Lehistan
W.i.n.t.e.r said:
In the mid 1930's the city of Danzig (now Gdansk), was thoroughly German, but was given to Poland as they did not have any other major port cities.
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