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Gay lifestyle - being involved 'romantically' or 'sexual' with people of the same gender (or the desire to do those things), with exclusion of the desire or the act of being involved 'romantically' or 'sexual' with people of the opposite gender.

It's not like it's a derogatory phrase or anything, just some people so damn antsy, like they have damn bees in their pants.
 
Gay lifestyle - being involved 'romantically' or 'sexual' with people of the same gender (or the desire to do those things), with exclusion of the desire or the act of being involved 'romantically' or 'sexual' with people of the opposite gender.

It's not like it's a derogatory phrase or anything, just some people so damn antsy, like they have damn bees in their pants.

Why did you have to mention bees? Now I'm gonna have nightmares...

To be on-topic, I don't think a person's orientation is enough to qualify as a "lifestyle". A "lifestyle" is something like, in my opinion, "he's on the computer all day. That's his lifestyle."
 
& occasionally shaving your partner's chest hair & convincing him he would be a better king than his brother while bathing together.

Exactly. :goodjob:
 
Gay lifestyle - being involved 'romantically' or 'sexual' with people of the same gender (or the desire to do those things), with exclusion of the desire or the act of being involved 'romantically' or 'sexual' with people of the opposite gender.

It's not like it's a derogatory phrase or anything, just some people so damn antsy, like they have damn bees in their pants.

How come being black isn't called a "black lifestyle?" :crazyeye:
 
Because that would actually be racist?
 
Because that would actually be racist?

How so? You see, it simply refers to the lifestyle - the Life Style if you will - of black people.

I hope the absurdity of this example is making it across the amoebic web of the internet. There is nothing inherently different about the "lifestyle" (a completely meaningless word, if I'm honest) of homosexuals except their sexual orientation. Knowing someone is gay tells you as much about them as knowing that they're Chinese, or tall, or fat, or whatever.
 
How come being black isn't called a "black lifestyle?" :crazyeye:

The answer is quite obvious.

What action is done by black people that's inherently black? I can think of celebrating Kwanza, I can't think of much else. Being black isn't anything you do, it's not something that's in your head, it's entirely appearance.

That's how I see being black, if you see it as a thing you do that makes you black (ex. rapping) than that's different and I can argue accordingly.

Now what action is done by gay people that's inherently gay? That straight people almost never do? Obviously become romantically or sexually involved with people of the same gender.

Now why is gay a lifestyle and black not a lifestyle? To do so, we must first define 'lifestyle.' I hope you'll agree with the following definition -

The way one lives their life.

If I live romantically with a male, is that a way I live my life? Of course it is. Is me having dark skin (and other 'black' characteristics) a way I live my life? I would hazard to say no, the reason for this being that I don't live with dark skin, like it doesn't affect what I do, I simply have that characteristic, in it's essence it doesn't affect my actions (of course it does in real life, but it doesn't have to, unlike being gay, which almost always dictates life's actions).

Now, would I consider celebrating Kwanza a part of the black lifestyle? I think so, because it's a physical action that is celebrated almost entirely by people considered black. I really can't think of anything else like celebrating Kwanza, and so I think the only thing that could be considered part of the black lifestyle would be celebrating Kwanza. Although celebrating Kwanza might be called 'being black,' being black would never entail 'celebrating Kwanza.'

I'm bored right now so if I left any loose strings I'll just tie them up if anyone chooses to respond.
 
Mango Elephant said:
If I live romantically with a male, is that a way I live my life? Of course it is. Is me having dark skin (and other 'black' characteristics) a way I live my life? I would hazard to say no, the reason for this being that I don't live with dark skin, like it doesn't affect what I do, I simply have that characteristic, in it's essence it doesn't affect my actions (of course it does in real life, but it doesn't have to, unlike being gay, which almost always dictates life's actions).

It makes as much sense to refer to that as a "homosexual lifestyle" as it would be to refer to yours as a "heterosexual lifestyle", assuming that you are straight.

No, the term "homosexual lifestyle" exists because it is meant to evoke an emotional response and images of gays in leather flinging their ballsacks around in front of children.
 
It makes as much sense to refer to that as a "homosexual lifestyle" as it would be to refer to yours as a "heterosexual lifestyle", assuming that you are straight.

I'm actually gay, but I have no problem with the phrase 'heterosexual lifestyle,' either.

No, the term "homosexual lifestyle" exists because it is meant to evoke an emotional response and images of gays in leather flinging their ballsacks around in front of children.

That's not what I imagine when I hear the words, but if those words really invoke an emotional response because you think of that, than you're a fool. It ain't my problem if you're messed up in the head, get y'allselves checked out.
 
I'm actually gay, but I have no problem with the phrase 'heterosexual lifestyle,' either.

But why don't we hear it said, ever? Because it doesn't make much sense.. There is no such thing as a "heterosexual lifestyle" - we, as heterosexuals, all live our lives differently.

"Meth addict lifestyle", "Upper middle class American teenager's lifestyle", sure, all of those are specific enough to make sense - their actual lifestyles are all similar and can be grouped together like that.

But "heterosexual lifestyle" ? What is that?
 
The answer is quite obvious.

Gosh, I hope so!

What action is done by black people that's inherently black? I can think of celebrating Kwanza, I can't think of much else. Being black isn't anything you do, it's not something that's in your head, it's entirely appearance.

Just as being gay is entirely sexual orientation!

If I live romantically with a male, is that a way I live my life? Of course it is.

It's worth pointing out that in a few strokes you've changed the definition from "the way one lives their life" to any amalgamation of "a way one lives their life," which is entirely meaningless as, presumably, one could live their life any number of ways by that definition, rendering any one descriptor thereof as encapsulating the entire thing utterly useless. The reason you can be a gay buddhist as readily as a gay christian should be indicative of how the phrase "gay lifestyle" can hardly be said to be comprehensive, which is what I take objection to; other than the homosexuality, there is nothing about a "gay lifestyle" that can be assumed except in the imagination of overzealous bigots, to whom a gay lifestyle means something much more sinister than merely sexual orientation.

tl;dr: the usage of the term does not exactly make it compatible with other like descriptors, which is patently useless because "gay lifestyle" cannot possibly describe everything about the lifestyle of a gay person, although it does describe one important part.

fake edit: oh, and the comparison to African-Americans ("black lifestyle") was mainly a pointed jab at those who think homosexuality is a choice and would have gays so branded.
 
But why don't we hear it said, ever? Because it doesn't make much sense.. There is no such thing as a "heterosexual lifestyle" - we, as heterosexuals, all live our lives differently.

You know why we never hear it said? Because almost no one ever talks about straight people like people talk about gay people. We don't have threads on this forum specifically about straight people, but even if we do, I certainly don't know about it because they must be terribly rare. And btw, I've been on gay forums before, and that phrase is definitely used.

"Meth addict lifestyle", "Upper middle class American teenager's lifestyle", sure, all of those are specific enough to make sense - their actual lifestyles are all similar and can be grouped together like that.

You note that they all have something similar in common.

But "heterosexual lifestyle" ? What is that?

What do heterosexuals have in common then? Being involved romantically or sexually (or the desire to do those things) with the opposite gender. That is the heterosexual lifestyle. That's what they have in common, and what they have similar, and therefor, according to your own definition (as I infer by what you stated what would constitute a lifestyle) that means that that is the heterosexual lifestyle.

Of course the phrase is obviously vague but who cares? It makes sense.
It's worth pointing out that in a few strokes you've changed the definition from "the way one lives their life" to any amalgamation of "a way one lives their life," which is entirely meaningless as, presumably, one could live their life any number of ways by that definition, rendering any one descriptor thereof as encapsulating the entire thing utterly useless.

What's the difference between the two?

The reason you can be a gay buddhist as readily as a gay christian should be indicative of how the phrase "gay lifestyle" can hardly be said to be comprehensive,

Of course it's not comprehensive, but I can't for the life of me see how that has anything to do with anything. You confused me here, so I went through your earlier posts and, voila! I think I know why you don't like the word -

I hope the absurdity of this example is making it across the amoebic web of the internet. There is nothing inherently different about the "lifestyle" (a completely meaningless word, if I'm honest) of homosexuals except their sexual orientation. Knowing someone is gay tells you as much about them as knowing that they're Chinese, or tall, or fat, or whatever.

So you have a problem with the word because it's vague? I would agree with you, if I felt like people were using the word to mean something other than what it really means, but since that's not the case (at least in this thread, the way Dom used it, iirc) I fail to see what's so wrong with vague if it's used to mean it's definition, and nothing more.

which is what I take objection to; other than the homosexuality, there is nothing about a "gay lifestyle" that can be assumed except in the imagination of overzealous bigots, to whom a gay lifestyle means something much more sinister than merely sexual orientation.

Which I agree, if they're being fools and reading too much into it, but I don't see anything wrong with the phrase if one used to mean it's definition, and nothing more.

tl;dr: the usage of the term does not exactly make it compatible with other like descriptors, which is patently useless because "gay lifestyle" cannot possibly describe everything about the lifestyle of a gay person, although it does describe one important part.

Well, of course it can't describe everything about a person, I don't believe I ever said it did (and if it seems like I did, I didn't mean to, I would not like to argue semantics definition here, nothing's more dull than that, heavens forbid). But, like you said, it describes one important part of a person's life, so I have no problem with it's usage if it's used to mean it's definition, and nothing more.

The reason I responded in the first place in the first post, and I won't go into it very much, mind, but please understand this

What the hell is a "homosexual lifestyle"? I never realised I was living a "Gay lifestyle".

I know for a fact useless has asked this question before, because I remember it and I also remember responding to it, saying what the gay lifestyle is, and he didn't respond then, either. The reason this has gotten me all in a fit is because he asked this question specifically to raise an emotional response, just like the bigots you described. It's only purpose is not to get an answer but to respond to Dom in a way I feel is unfair and instigating. It seems a bit like sarcasm, and if there's anything that's a pet peeve of mine it's sarcasm. And so I had to respond.
 
What do heterosexuals have in common then? Being involved romantically or sexually (or the desire to do those things) with the opposite gender. That is the heterosexual lifestyle. That's what they have in common, and what they have similar, and therefor, according to your own definition (as I infer by what you stated what would constitute a lifestyle) that means that that is the heterosexual lifestyle.

There is not enough in common with all the heterosexuals in the world to warrant grouping their lifestyles under a "heterosexual lifestyle" banner. I mean, hell, some of them don't even *have* sex or romantic relationships.

It's just not a very meaningful quantifier, and yes, it carries with it an emotional charge.
 
There is not enough in common with all the heterosexuals in the world to warrant grouping their lifestyles under a "heterosexual lifestyle" banner. I mean, hell, some of them don't even *have* sex or romantic relationships.

It's just not a very meaningful quantifier, and yes, it carries with it an emotional charge.

There's not enough in common with all the homosexuals in the world to warrant grouping their lifestyles under a "homosexual lifestyle" banner. I mean, hell, some of them don't even *have* sex or romantic relationships.

It's just not a very meaningful quantifier, and yes, it carries with it an emotional charge.
 
There's not enough in common with all the homosexuals in the world to warrant grouping their lifestyles under a "homosexual lifestyle" banner. I mean, hell, some of them don't even *have* sex or romantic relationships.

It's just not a very meaningful quantifier, and yes, it carries with it an emotional charge.

You don't have to spell out my point like that, I think everyone gets it.
 
But why don't we hear it said, ever? Because it doesn't make much sense.. There is no such thing as a "heterosexual lifestyle" - we, as heterosexuals, all live our lives differently.

"Meth addict lifestyle", "Upper middle class American teenager's lifestyle", sure, all of those are specific enough to make sense - their actual lifestyles are all similar and can be grouped together like that.

But "heterosexual lifestyle" ? What is that?
It seems like Mango Elephant has everything covered already - he seems like one of the most rational people in this thread by far - but I wanted to weight in as well:

You don't hear us talking about "heterosexual lifestyle", because one usually do not have to debate the norm! Things that are different get their own names and labels and stereotypes. Things that are normal simply is!

As evident by the fact that "heterosexual lifestyle" is a term used when it is found useful - namely in environments where heterosexuality is not the norm!
 
It seems like Mango Elephant has everything covered already - he seems like one of the most rational people in this thread by far - but I wanted to weight in as well:

You don't hear us talking about "heterosexual lifestyle", because one usually do not have to debate the norm! Things that are different get their own names and labels and stereotypes. Things that are normal simply is!

As evident by the fact that "heterosexual lifestyle" is a term used when it is found useful - namely in environments where heterosexuality is not the norm!

My point is that there is no such thing as the heterosexual lifestyle, or homosexual, or bisexual.

Each group is made up of people leading totally different and unrelated lifestyles. There isn't enough in common between them to warrant labelling it a "lifestyle"

You might as well label me as leading a "bacon eaters' lifestyle". Sure, I eat bacon, but I have nothing obvious in common with other people who do. It doesn't make sense to just slap a "lifestyle" behind a random word and expect it to make sense.
 
Well the bottom line is that the term, as it is used, draws an artificial line between "gays" and "the rest" that I think is as artificial as it is counterproductive.
 
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