Born of Fire: Discussion and Development Thread

[Madeira]

A very good idea to use the peaceful society of Atlantis for your brutalised ideas ...

Who said all cultural ancient civilizations share our civilized ideals?
If you look at Plato's descriptions of Atlantis, you'll learn that they enslaved people, and there are many fictional works that claim they did ritual sacrifices too, one good example is the movie 10.000bc.
I think its safe to say there are more myths that say they enslaved more primitive peoples and performed ritual sacrifices than myths that say they were a peace-loving civilization. If you can find me proof that they actually existed and were "human-rights" civilized, I'll change my mod to reflect it

Apologies to RedAlert for using his thread to discuss this. General 666, if you wish to continue discussing your views of the Atlantean civilization, in a civilized manner, please use my mod's thread. As a final note, the ritual sacrifice capability given to the Atlanteans and some other civs will become obsolete some time in the medieval age, so they will evolve in that aspect just like many historical civs did.

 

[Blue Monkey]

Came across an article at New Scientist about Mayans "tuning" their temples. Might be a tech or wonder idea in there.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

That's amazing BM! I never heard that before. Great link! Maybe you should post it in the WH forum as its own thread.

 

[RedAlert]

Came across an article at New Scientist about Mayans "tuning" their temples. Might be a tech or wonder idea in there.

That's very cool! I'll have to think about how to include that.

EDIT: You posted this over two weeks ago? Darnit, I'm slow.
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I've been thinking about resources a little bit, and compiled a list. I've run into a bit of a problem looking for graphics; there doesn't seem to be any kind of directory for resource graphics around here, what resources I seem to be able to find are few and scattered, and the files for a few compilations are missing (I'm guessing from the great hacking). I've found some resources I'm looking for in others' mods, but I would still like to find the original creators to give proper credit.
However, with most of the resources I have thought of, I can just use Firaxis graphics. There are some resources I expect I'll have to make myself. Actually, I've been toying with the idea of making most, if not all of them myself, or at least modifying (or "ancientmesoamericanandandeanifying") existing resources, although this would be more work.

Anyway, the list so far:

Beans
Cacao
Cenote
Coca
Copper
Cotton
Dyes
Fish
Game
Gold
Jade
Llamas
Maze
Obsidian
Pelts
Potatoes
Pottery
Rubber
Shellfish
Squash
Stone Quarry
Tobacco
Whales

 

[Blue Monkey]

Many on your list are available in TAM (The Ancient Mediterranean Mod). Sift through Casus Belli's compilation for more. DYP is also worth a look. I'll take a closer look at your list soon. If I find something I'll post it here.

 

[Blue Monkey]

Here’s what I’ve found for you:

• Casus Belli’s compilation seems to be the main source for the scenarios that I mentioned. It contains quite a few choices for llamas, potatos, tobacco, pelts, maize,cotton, copper, pottery, shellfish, gold, stone, fish & whales.
• I think that the peccaries would be good for game & the cavies (guinea pigs) for pelts. There are also 2 choices for cacao.
• Four you didn’t mention that are in CB’s collection that you might want are slaves, chilis, aloe & maguey. Birds abound for game or exotic feathers (no picture here).
• There’s a choice between CB’s rubber & the set by Vuldacon.
• The cenote could be made from one of CB’s stones, a resource from Pounder, or some CnP work based on them.
• There are dyes in CB’s but I like Goldfool’s much better.
• CB has versions of jade - all in the form of a buddha. The Last Conformist made jade & 2 versions of obsidian.
• Coca could be done with a CnP of a plant & a pile of white powder from CB’s collection I guess. OOPS - TLC has a coca resource at the same link as the jade & obsidian. Sorry that I missed giving you a preview.

So you only need beans & squash.

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[RedAlert]

Awesome! Thank you!!

I have a lot more ideas for what I can use now. I'll still be using some of the Firaxis resources, but the collections you posted fulfill many of my needs. While I'm using some resources as they are, I'm still modifying others: here's a preview for a couple. I never liked the Firaxis maize (looked like logs to me) so I added some colour and detail. The examples you gave me for peccaries aren't bad, but I decided to do a re-skin of CB's (pink) pig resource instead.

I will post a preview of the all the resources I'll be using once I get them organized.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

I would use the maize myself! A very nice resource, far superior to the Firaxis one.

 

[DJ Bonebraker]

My resource pack includes some "Sci-Fi" resources that look like blue Butternut squash... I could re-color them if you'd like There's also some Corn Plants in them as well...

 

[RedAlert]

I would use the maize myself! A very nice resource, far superior to the Firaxis one.

I'll be making several more resources, and I think I will release them all, maize included, when done.

My resource pack includes some "Sci-Fi" resources that look like blue Butternut squash... I could re-color them if you'd like There's also some Corn Plants in them as well...

Sure thing! That would be a real help.

 

[Blue Monkey]

I'll be making several more resources, and I think I will release them all, maize included, when done.

Always post creations, if my vote counts.

Right now, the map is on the back burner, but I can move it up if you decide you still want it.

 

[RedAlert]

Always post creations, if my vote counts.

Right now, the map is on the back burner, but I can move it up if you decide you still want it.

I'm still far away from needing a completed map, really, but if you have any time you can spare to make a little more progress, that would help me visualize some ideas I have for later on.

As always, thanks for your help.

 

[Huayna Capac357]

I can't wait for this mod! I love the history of Mesoamerica. I really hope this gets finished.

 

[RedAlert]

It's time for some new buildings. Here's five:

Weaver, Local Palace, Apartment Complex, Pyramid Mound, and Sacrificial Altar.

 

[Madeira]

Awesome!
Have a request for a bonus addition to that pack, a Temple of Poseidon for American Atlantis
I can show you an image you can use for inspiration, will get back to you on that.

 

[RedAlert]

Sure, I have time to do that now.
Maybe we should move discussion over to your thread.

 

[Madeira]

Sure thing
Dont know when I'll have time to post that image though, today or tomorrow or on the weekend

 

[Sword_Of_Geddon]

Good to see your still working on this...been so long

Beutiful graphics as always old friend...

 

[RedAlert]

Hi there! Great to have you stop in!

Yup, I'm still plugging away... slowly but surely.

 

[RedAlert]

I have an announcement to make - some bad news. It's not really related to this mod, but I thought this would be the best place for it.

In the past, I have been more than happy to take other's requests for graphics and have often given those requests precedence over my own projects. Unfortunately:

I will no longer be accepting requests.

There are two main reasons for this, but no, it's nothing personal.

- I expect to have a great deal more to do in real life this coming year and will probably not be able to complete any new requests in an appropriate amount of time (honestly, I can't seem to be able to do that now).

- There have already been several requests made of me that I have yet to complete.

Note that I still intend to complete all requests made prior to now. I know a few of these requests were made some time ago, my apologies for the wait. Feel free to contact me about your request, regarding for example when you might be able to expect it completed, or if you no longer require it.

Note also that if at least one of the two conditions I listed above no longer apply, I will probably retract this announcement.

I hope you all understand. I'm sorry for any inconvenience.