Brazilia Leader and faction info

[altayrneto]

Although the Rejinaldo's faction is militarized, I don't believe that Brazilia (the nation) is also... The current Brazil definitely don't have a bellicose culture, and has an enviable diplomacy to avoid confrontations, and the Rejinaldo's speech summarizes what the Brazilian military basically do today: training and humanitarian service, mainly in Haiti, besides the fact that he didn't have referred to any confrontation...

 

[3of5]

Although the Rejinaldo's faction is militarized, I don't believe that Brazilia (the nation) is also... The current Brazil definitely don't have a bellicose culture, and has an enviable diplomacy to avoid confrontations, and the Rejinaldo's speech summarizes what the Brazilian military basically do today: training and humanitarian service, mainly in Haiti, besides the fact that he didn't have referred to any confrontation...

Be aware that just about the same could be said about the US of today, but many people do see them as primarily militaristic too (might be a matter of perspective, or rather which end of the bayonett is pointed towards you). This gets enforced by a ridiculously overblown military budget though. We don't know how militaristic brasilia is in the end. There are many good reasons for any faction to send a military leader to oversee colonisation (and there are good reasons not to), like i pointed out in the SF thread. This might just be a decision reflecting one aspect of future earths Brasilia, but will definitely become a defining aspect of the faction once landing on planet. Elodie only represents the west european elitist leadership, Sochua is openly at odds with PAC leadership and many in the US might not see the ARC in such a positive light as Fielding herself does.

Firaxis seems not to want to define sponsor factions too clearly and is instead focusing on the leader personalities (that define faction traits, as we see in Barres bio, where all the factions traits clearly emerge from his personal bio).

 

[Slaughter]

I don't like the idea of Brasilia also being the OAS, I think its a sci-fi cliche (althrough calling it Brasilia is more original, like as if Brasilians rule the whole thing and aren't afraid to show it). Let Brasilia be Brazil and let other countries (Argentina, Chile, etc) be able to do their own thing.

It also makes it as if Brazilians/Latin Americans are a bunch of losers who can only do something if they all get together at it, like some generic, identity-less ant-hive.

I also really, really dislike the name. I am very stringent about names and that means I believe names should be right. That means I'm going to have to change faction leader name to something purely brazilian (thinking of adding a tupi name there somewhere) so that I believe I am indeed playing a Brazilian expedition in space, not a expedition with my country on it along with a bunch of countries I don't care about. Sorry, this is a brazilian expedition only, other countries need not apply.

Also, ins't the flooding in the Great Mistake a little exagerated? For example, look at that flooding in the amazon. It flooded my city (Belém) along with it... Belém is 40km from the coast. What the hell happened? Was someone playing with Planet Busters?

 

[KrikkitTwo]

Brasillia : OSAS is probably like US : NATO
Ie separate members that work together but one is clearly dominant

 

[Epic Eric]

I don't like the idea of Brasilia also being the OAS, I think its a sci-fi cliche (althrough calling it Brasilia is more original, like as if Brasilians rule the whole thing and aren't afraid to show it). Let Brasilia be Brazil and let other countries (Argentina, Chile, etc) be able to do their own thing.

It also makes it as if Brazilians/Latin Americans are a bunch of losers who can only do something if they all get together at it, like some generic, identity-less ant-hive.

To me, it seems like they tried to imagine what would happen according to what had happened. For example, a one-country South American superpower sounds just like Simón Bolívar's philosophy (I'm almost sure the name is no coincidence, by the way), in which only a Latin American union could stand up with the same strength as other global superpowers.

I also really, really dislike the name. I am very stringent about names and that means I believe names should be right. That means I'm going to have to change faction leader name to something purely brazilian (thinking of adding a tupi name there somewhere) so that I believe I am indeed playing a Brazilian expedition in space, not a expedition with my country on it along with a bunch of countries I don't care about. Sorry, this is a brazilian expedition only, other countries need not apply.

Well, on one hand, I also think the name is silly – it's the name of our current capital, afterall. On the other, I see your point that other countries are misrepresented by it. But if you look at, say, Franco-Iberia, it does not note that it also rules over current Italy and North Africa. If I may speculate, for me it means that Brazil could be sovereign on the other countries by military force. In my opinion, it seems that the nation is strongly tied to warfare, since they have a general heading the Seeding and had a huge mark with their troops in Central Asia during the Great Mistake. Maybe your impression that Brazil overwhelms other nations from South America could instead be a hint at a terrible past of conquest...?

Also, ins't the flooding in the Great Mistake a little exagerated? For example, look at that flooding in the amazon. It flooded my city (Belém) along with it... Belém is 40km from the coast. What the hell happened? Was someone playing with Planet Busters?

Those are based on real global warming projections. Belém might be far from the coast, but with water levels rising, the Amazon River would be flooded, as well as a great part of the rainforest that is a tiny bit higher than sea level – including Belém.

I shall call Rejinaldo "Rej" or "Reji" or maybe even "Naldo".

Just remember that it's pronounced as if it were in Spanish. From UOL Jogos' article: No, it's not an ortographical mistake. Rejinaldo Bolivar de Alencar-Araripe is really written with a J*. According to the developers, this spelling is one of the Hispanic features of Brasilia's leader, which was formed with the union of South American countries, resulting in a mix of cultures and languages.

*In Portuguese, it is usually written with a G.

 

[Veras]

I really wanted to know why Brazil has evolved into this thing called "Brasilia". This isn't exactly a good name and doesn't have any special meaning that I know of. Sounds a little random. I think I would prefer if the faction was the OSAS itself, with a Brazilian leadership.

 

[Liex]

I really wanted to know why Brazil has evolved into this thing called "Brasilia". This isn't exactly a good name and doesn't have any special meaning that I know of. Sounds a little random. I think I would prefer if the faction was the OSAS itself, with a Brazilian leadership.

I don't think it's completely random. Brasilia has that futuristic symbolism and "let's do something new" feel around it. To rise a capital city in the middle of the Cerrado in only 3 years, to reach a population of 4 million within only 50 years, that's something Rejinaldo should aim to repeat.

But I see your point. If Brasilia was merely the name of Brazil's seeding project, it'd be nice. But Brasilia IS Brazil. So I think they just did not want to use the nation's actual name, but wanted to make clear that it's basically future Brazil (like Franco-Iberia and Polystralia).

Maybe there's another reason. Maybe for some reason people refer to OSAS's constituents by their capitals (Brasilia, Caracas, Lima etc.) instead of the old countries.

Also, ins't the flooding in the Great Mistake a little exagerated? For example, look at that flooding in the amazon. It flooded my city (Belém) along with it... Belém is 40km from the coast. What the hell happened? Was someone playing with Planet Busters?

Even Manaus (some 1500km from the coast?) wouldn't be safe if the sea decided to rise a few meters. If they're going with 60 meters (which is extremely pessimistic), the Amazon Basin would become a sea...

The only thing I don't like is how they say that the Amazon flooding opened the region and promoted trade. Most of those rivers are already huge and navigable by large ships. Losing Belém, Santarém, Manaus etc. would not do any good.

 

[3of5]

The only thing I don't like is how they say that the Amazon flooding opened the region and promoted trade. Most of those rivers are already huge and navigable by large ships. Losing Belém, Santarém, Manaus etc. would not do any good.

I think that comes from how the mediterranean is seen as the reason for high population density and economic development since the bronze age. More coastline = more power + trade.

I think that this line of thinking is outdated since the advent of the railroad. There is a reason we had shallow canals as main routes of transportation through all of the european lowlands, but after the advent of the Railroad they have lost importance. Todays Brasil has furthered railroad expansion specifically to exploit inland ressources. I too don't think a flooding would actually be this beneficial to Brasil, as the dev team imagines.

 

[s0nny80y]

The Great Mistake,

right before Midterms.

- Presidential Racy

 

[moschops]

Although the Rejinaldo's faction is militarized, I don't believe that Brazilia (the nation) is also... The current Brazil definitely don't have a bellicose culture, and has an enviable diplomacy to avoid confrontations, and the Rejinaldo's speech summarizes what the Brazilian military basically do today: training and humanitarian service, mainly in Haiti, besides the fact that he didn't have referred to any confrontation...

well.. the world can chance a lot in hundreds of years... 150 year ago Brasil was a empire... today Brasil is a democratic republic... but was a dictatorship some decades ago...

but... the mission sponsored by the government is a military mission, just like every other big space mission in the history of mankind...

i could not find any aspect of dictatorship on this futuristic Brasil... at this point i agree with you!!

but i am sure that Brasilia will be a colony with a minor space for freedom of speech, amongst other things, quite as opposite as Franco Iberia, for example... it will not be a psychotic dictatorship, i think, but a disciplined colony, with military purposes...

 

[moschops]

The only thing I don't like is how they say that the Amazon flooding opened the region and promoted trade. Most of those rivers are already huge and navigable by large ships. Losing Belém, Santarém, Manaus etc. would not do any good.

The Amazon river is a navigable river... Big ships can travel on the river.... But not those huge ships with containers, i believe!!

I believe that the flooding of the amazon would open the region to the international trade routes by sea... and, by consequence, it would be the perfect scenario for the demographic rise of the region...

 

[Epic Eric]

well.. the world can chance a lot in hundreds of years... 150 year ago Brasil was a empire... today Brasil is a democratic republic... but was a dictatorship some decades ago...

but... the mission sponsored by the government is a military mission, just like every other big space mission in the history of mankind...

i could not find any aspect of dictatorship on this futuristic Brasil... at this point i agree with you!!

but i am sure that Brasilia will be a colony with a minor space for freedom of speech, amongst other things, quite as opposite as Franco Iberia, for example... it will not be a psychotic dictatorship, i think, but a disciplined colony, with military purposes...

Even if they are peaceful on Earth (which IMO I find difficult), they aren't as much in outer space:

As an opponent, [Polystralia is] more likely to be friendly and more likely to be collaborators in efforts you’re working on, and that sets them apart from some of the more inherently hostile factions like Brasilia and especially ARC, the American Reclamation Corporation.

So much for being the first country to colonize another planet.

 

[Liex]

The Amazon river is a navigable river... Big ships can travel on the river.... But not those huge ships with containers, i believe!!

I believe that the flooding of the amazon would open the region to the international trade routes by sea... and, by consequence, it would be the perfect scenario for the demographic rise of the region...

I'm not an expert on these matters, but I don't think it's the rivers that can't handle those ships, but the ports and the region's infrastructure.

Also, what the Amazon needs is another golden age like the "Ciclo da Borracha" 100 years ago. I don't think that flooding its major cities and natural resources will accomplish that.

 

[Melo-Franco]

You know what? Some people aren't just in the mood for fiction. Try to sign in for a little suspension of disbelief, as old British romanticism named it. That whole "not fair" thing you are so wholeheartedly expressing about the future shaped by this narrative is quite unappropriated imo. In this particular possible universe the planet has those geopolitical features, that's it. Brazil happened to be called by the name of our capital city and we managed to annex our neighborhood. The main guy dealing with the interstellar excursion was christened Rejinaldo and it seems that we have some very Bolivar-esque cultural tendencies. It's NOT Brazil, in fact. It's something else. Give fiction a chance.

 

[Josephias]

Just remember that it's pronounced as if it were in Spanish. From UOL Jogos' article: No, it's not an ortographical mistake. Rejinaldo Bolivar de Alencar-Araripe is really written with a J*. According to the developers, this spelling is one of the Hispanic features of Brasilia's leader, which was formed with the union of South American countries, resulting in a mix of cultures and languages.

*In Portuguese, it is usually written with a G.

Which just points out lack of research by the developers or something even worse. Not that I am going to bash them as some polish in here with the SF, but nevertheless, I want to counter-state this fact:

• Rejinaldo is not a common spanish name.
• The closest name that is actually used (and not much), is Reinaldo
• In case Rejinaldo had to be written in Spanish, it would be Reginaldo too. (g+i is equivalent and preferred to j+i in Spanish, unless exception is stated, but Reginaldo is not)

More on topic, regarding the flooding of the amazon basin,

The only thing I don't like is how they say that the Amazon flooding opened the region and promoted trade. Most of those rivers are already huge and navigable by large ships. Losing Belém, Santarém, Manaus etc. would not do any good.

I think that comes from how the mediterranean is seen as the reason for high population density and economic development since the bronze age. More coastline = more power + trade.

I think that this line of thinking is outdated since the advent of the railroad. There is a reason we had shallow canals as main routes of transportation through all of the european lowlands, but after the advent of the Railroad they have lost importance. Todays Brasil has furthered railroad expansion specifically to exploit inland ressources. I too don't think a flooding would actually be this beneficial to Brasil, as the dev team imagines.

I thik they have a point here, even if the rivers are navigable already by cointainer ships (true?) the main benefit of a "sea" shape is the straight line: now you have to follow the river course, which is of course more time and resource consuming than to cut trough to your desired destination port.

Of course, railroad makes this (partly) posible, but there is a fact to consider: even if railroad is a relevant goods transport infraestructure, it can never beat contaner ships in terms of energy needed to transport high quantities of resources.

 

[Martinus]

You know what? Some people aren't just in the mood for fiction. Try to sign in for a little suspension of disbelief, as old British romanticism named it. That whole "not fair" thing you are so wholeheartedly expressing about the future shaped by this narrative is quite unappropriated imo. In this particular possible universe the planet has those geopolitical features, that's it. Brazil happened to be called by the name of our capital city and we managed to annex our neighborhood. The main guy dealing with the interstellar excursion was christened Rejinaldo and it seems that we have some very Bolivar-esque cultural tendencies. It's NOT Brazil, in fact. It's something else. Give fiction a chance.

Not to mention "Brasilia" is not "just" the name of the capital city - it's a name that is closely related linguistically to Brazil (and in fact similar to the name Brazil is called in many languages - for example in Polish the country is called "Brazylia").

I can't think of another country that has a situation like this (i.e. where the capital is named "artificially" with a name closely connected to the name of the country), so this is not as if England was called London or France was called Paris.

More importantly, Brasilia is the name of Brazil in Latin - which fits this militaristic (neo-chivalric?) empire. To me, "Brasilia" in CivBE is a clever attempt to create a word for an "empire" that is centered around an existing country but is more than that (same was - and of course I am aware this is not a perfect analogy, as CK2 is a historical game - in CK2 an empire centered on France is called Francia and an empire centered on England/Britain is called Brittannia).

If Germans renamed their capital to "Germania", would people also complain if the word "Germania" was used to refer to the entire country too?

 

[Epic Eric]

You know what? Some people aren't just in the mood for fiction. Try to sign in for a little suspension of disbelief, as old British romanticism named it. That whole "not fair" thing you are so wholeheartedly expressing about the future shaped by this narrative is quite unappropriated imo. In this particular possible universe the planet has those geopolitical features, that's it. Brazil happened to be called by the name of our capital city and we managed to annex our neighborhood. The main guy dealing with the interstellar excursion was christened Rejinaldo and it seems that we have some very Bolivar-esque cultural tendencies. It's NOT Brazil, in fact. It's something else. Give fiction a chance.

This. A huge part in the game's plot is purposely left for imagination. 500 years is a LONG time; remember that five centuries ago America wasn't even known to Europeans and people had absolutely no idea what the world would turn out today. In a universe where science, society and politics change at the fast pace like ours, nothing is impossible. Given enough time, what knows what could happen? Plus, with a major event such as the Great Mistake, entire societies could transform themselves in an instant.

When creating the storyline, Firaxis only used the current world's diplomatic setting as a base, coming up with situations that may very well never happen, only to add the game's unique flavor to its story. A faction in Beyond Earth thus does not represent the current country at all. KP, Brasilia, PAU, Polystralia, SF and FI (PAC and ARC are just corporations, it seems) are all political entities that seem to have radically changed from their respective countries nowadays, due to completely fictitious historical events.

Which just points out lack of research by the developers or something even worse. Not that I am going to bash them as some polish in here with the SF, but nevertheless, I want to counter-state this fact:

• Rejinaldo is not a common spanish name.
• The closest name that is actually used (and not much), is Reinaldo
• In case Rejinaldo had to be written in Spanish, it would be Reginaldo too. (g+i is equivalent and preferred to j+i in Spanish, unless exception is stated, but Reginaldo is not)

I had no idea about that, thanks for the info.

 

[Veras]

On the german gameplay, we can finally see the initial animation of Rejinaldo. Unfortunately, there's no audio of his voice and of what he talks.

His greeting was "The united people of South America bid you welcome", which makes me wonder how much of South American influence the faction will have instead of being an exclusive Brazilian expedition. That is why I prefered an OSAS faction instead of a Brasilia faction, but anyways. Will Rejinaldo also use some Spanish words in his speech?

 

[bouncymischa]

Which just points out lack of research by the developers or something even worse. Not that I am going to bash them as some polish in here with the SF, but nevertheless, I want to counter-state this fact:

• Rejinaldo is not a common spanish name.
• The closest name that is actually used (and not much), is Reinaldo
• In case Rejinaldo had to be written in Spanish, it would be Reginaldo too. (g+i is equivalent and preferred to j+i in Spanish, unless exception is stated, but Reginaldo is not)

I'm reminded of an article I once saw about language in science fiction, that speculated on possible linguistic drifts for future languages. Consider how unreadable Old English is to modern-day English speakers, for example. I somewhat doubt that this is the case here, but it was an interesting thought...

 

[KrikkitTwo]

On the german gameplay, we can finally see the initial animation of Rejinaldo. Unfortunately, there's no audio of his voice and of what he talks.

His greeting was "The united people of South America bid you welcome", which makes me wonder how much of South American influence the faction will have instead of being an exclusive Brazilian expedition. That is why I prefered an OSAS faction instead of a Brasilia faction, but anyways. Will Rejinaldo also use some Spanish words in his speech?

The Brazillian influence is limited to the name of the faction (and some portugese words he might use, and some city names)
The South American influence is limited to his greeting (and some spanish words he might use, and some city names)