Burqa ban in France goes into effect today..

[Xanikk999]

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France's law banning the burqa and other Islamic face coverings in public places will go into effect on April 11, the prime minister's office said.

"The French Republic lives in a bare-headed fashion," French Prime Minister Francois Fillon said this week in an official government newspaper explaining the law.

The law imposes a fine of 150 euros ($190). The person breaking the law can be asked to carry out public service duty as part of the punishment or as an alternative to the fine.

How do you feel about this? Is this an infringment on freedom of religion?

I feel the burqa can be restrictive on women but at the same time I don't think women who want to wear it in public should be banned from doing so. How is this any different from wearing a ski mask in public? I can see the reasoning if it was in a job setting but why in public?

I am the last person to support religion but I am also one of the first to support human rights and freedom of peaceful expression. Wearing a burqa under no compulsion hurts nobody but those who choose to make it an issue and that's their fault.

 

[Maniacal]

"in a bare-headed fashion"

What, no hats? And those headscarfs can be pretty sexy.

 

[emzie]

If it were really an issue about elevating women's rights, I wouldn't have a problem with it.

edit: Less than .06% of Muslim women in France wore face-covering veils.

 

[Lillefix]

What is "public place" exactly?

I think it's unnecessary it just antagonises the muslim population, but I think it goes without saying that burqua women should not be allowed insides banks, post offices and really any place were covered faces means that you're going to rob something.

 

[nato2101]

I don't think they should be banned from wearing it in public (outside), however I have seen/been in places which require you to show identification that let women with burqas go in without removing it which should be against the law imo.

 

[W|M]

I think it's unnecessary it just antagonises the muslim population, but I think it goes without saying that burqua women should not be allowed insides banks, post offices and really any place were covered faces means that you're going to rob something.

A burka isn't exactly a balaclava, though.

 

[BasketCase]

I am the last person to support religion but I am also one of the first to support human rights and freedom of peaceful expression. Wearing a burqa under no compulsion hurts nobody but those who choose to make it an issue and that's their fault.

Then you'll probably appreciate a part of the soon-to-take-effect law that few people know about: forcing another person to wear a face-covering thingy is punishable by one year in prison and a fine of 30,000 Euros. Forcing a minor to wear one is punishable by twice the time and twice the fine.

I really like these parts of the law. Go France.

 

[Xanikk999]

I don't think they should be banned from wearing it in public (outside), however I have seen/been in places which require you to show identification that let women with burqas go in without removing it which should be against the law imo.

I can agree with this.

In most other cases where you aren't required to show identification I can't imagine why the law would be needed.

 

[Lillefix]

A burka isn't exactly a balaclava, though.

No, it covers even more.

 

[Ajidica]

Does this ban just the burqa, or the hijab also? If it includes the hijab, does it also ban the shawls that old slavic women wear?

What if someone is with a RennFest and is wearing a full on burqa as part of their costume?

 

[JollyRoger]

Is the shaving ban still in effect?

 

[emzie]

Does this ban just the burqa, or the hijab also? If it includes the hijab, does it also ban the shawls that old slavic women wear?

What if someone is with a RennFest and is wearing a full on burqa as part of their costume?

Hijab is still legal, though not socially acceptable from what I gather.

 

[GhostWriter16]

Oh France *Facepalm* Why do we even waste time with such idiots....

I mean, seriously... They hate us (Except when the Germans are coming) why should they love our values of freedom?

Idiocy...

This is a disgrace. Banning items of CLOTHING????? Seriously? Next step they'll just ban Islam, heck they'll probably just ban religion...

Idiots.

Anyone who doesn't think a woman should be allowed to wear a burka if she wants too is seriously off their rocker, and does NOT love human rights?

Banning making a child wear it? That makes more sense, but it just covers up symptoms anyways. I don't think wearing the burka is as big a problem as teaching them that 9/11 was justified and other such crap...
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[amadeus]

If they don't want Muslims, they shouldn't let in Muslims.

(easy button)

 

[GhostWriter16]

If they don't want Muslims, they shouldn't let in Muslims.

(easy button)

That doesn't work. For one thing, in some countries, you CAN'T commit apostasy from Islam, otherwise, they don't send ya to France (Which is a punishment anyway), they slit your throat, in other words, they execute you. So people who were born Muslim in those countries... they have no real choice in what they want to be.

Not letting people who are pro-terrorism, if there's any way to figure out who does and who doesn't, is a good idea though.

 

[Dachs]

Nuke France.

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[Perfection]

they can nuke back though...

 

[KMRblue1027]

they can nuke back though...

But they're le tired

 

[Ajidica]

Oh France *Facepalm* Why do we even waste time with such idiots....

Because France is a major power, part of NATO, and one of our traditional allies (except for our little spat with the Quasi-War and the XYZ Affair).

I mean, seriously... They hate us (Except when the Germans are coming) why should they love our values of freedom?

Last I checked, we ruined the transatlantic alliance with the 'freedom fries' nonsense.

This is a disgrace. Banning items of CLOTHING????? Seriously? Next step they'll just ban Islam, heck they'll probably just ban religion...

We ban nudity in public places. Next thing you know all forms of nudity will be banned, even in the shower. And then they will ban sex, because part of your body will be uncovered!
WE MUST LEGALIZE NUDITY!!!!
Note: I do not like the French Law one bit, but your argument was so loltastic.

Idiots.

Can you give me the line in the Bible where Jesus says "If thou disliketh the French pansies and wish to do harm by them, give forth the utterance of 'Idiots' and all its myriad forms, and they shall be repremanded."

 

[bestrfcplayer]

lol "bare-headed fashion." Well, that's France for ya.