Burqa ban in France goes into effect today..

[FriendlyFire]

Then you'll probably appreciate a part of the soon-to-take-effect law that few people know about: forcing another person to wear a face-covering thingy is punishable by one year in prison and a fine of 30,000 Euros. Forcing a minor to wear one is punishable by twice the time and twice the fine.

I really like these parts of the law. Go France.

In the US it is permissable to deny a minor medical treatment on religous grounds. Christian scientist went to court over the death of there own child by denying him life saving appendix operation instead choose spritiual healing.

Which is strange given the push to bann sharia law in the US. While having such powerful laws protecting religous practices.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Oh France *Facepalm* Why do we even waste time with such idiots....

I mean, seriously... They hate us (Except when the Germans are coming) why should they love our values of freedom?

How is banning French women from wearing burkas an expression of hatred toward Americans?

 

[GhostWriter16]

How is banning French women from wearing burkas an expression of hatred toward Americans?

I used "Hate" as an exaggeration (It was partly a joke) but I think "Dislike" is accurate.

But that wasn't the point either. The point was that they hate American values of Freedom, otherwise this law would never have been passed.

 

[Mango Elephant]

We should tots invade France and liberate the women.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I used "Hate" as an exaggeration (It was partly a joke) but I think "Dislike" is accurate.

But that wasn't the point either. The point was that they hate American values of Freedom, otherwise this law would never have been passed.

How long do you think the French have hated freedom? (especially the American kind)

 

[GhostWriter16]

How long do you think the French have hated freedom? (especially the American kind)

Not sure. I don't know French History well.

But... Banning certain items of Clothing? France fails at freedom.

I mean, wearing a Burka doesn't even fall under Hate Speech (And I would even consider banning that to be playing fast and loose with freedom.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_France

Read the article and decide for yourself.

Then read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_religion_in_the_united_states

Far, far less complaints in the US. Far less. Its still not perfect, but it isn't even in the same league...

 

[Ajidica]

But... Banning certain items of Clothing? France fails at freedom.

And? We ban nudity in public places. Do we fail at freedom?

As for religion, France has had some issues with that what with Robespierre's Church of the Supreme Being with himself as God and the Huguenots.

 

[GhostWriter16]

And? We ban nudity in public places. Do we fail at freedom?

No, because there is actually at least a half-sensible reason to ban that (I'm not saying I agree, but I think its at least a valid case...)

 

[Ajidica]

No, because there is actually at least a half-sensible reason to ban that (I'm not saying I agree, but I think its at least a valid case...)

One could make a half-sensible public safety argument with burqas too. The Daily Fail thinks they are hiding stolen good behind their veil.

 

[Truthy]

Oh France *Facepalm* Why do we even waste time with such idiots....

I mean, seriously... They hate us (Except when the Germans are coming) why should they love our values of freedom?

Idiocy...

This is a disgrace. Banning items of CLOTHING????? Seriously? Next step they'll just ban Islam, heck they'll probably just ban religion...

Idiots.

Anyone who doesn't think a woman should be allowed to wear a burka if she wants too is seriously off their rocker, and does NOT love human rights?

Banning making a child wear it? That makes more sense, but it just covers up symptoms anyways. I don't think wearing the burka is as big a problem as teaching them that 9/11 was justified and other such crap...

I enjoy making in fun of the French as much as the next guy, but I can't help but feel that Americans seem to undermine their significance to the country.
And to the OP: Is their some kind of cultural reason to this? The laws they created to regulate the French language were some sort of preservation effort.

 

[GhostWriter16]

I enjoy making in fun of the French as much as the next guy, but I can't help but feel that Americans seem to undermine their significance to the country.

What do you mean?

Obviously the German comment was a joke....

 

[Truthy]

Which part? The making fun of the French or the Americans undermining their significance?

 

[GhostWriter16]

Which part? The making fun of the French or the Americans undermining their significance?

The Americans undermining their significance. The first part is just common sense and needs no explanation

 

[Truthy]

As someone has previously said, they are one of the US's traditional allies and have been important on numerous occasions. Their importance to the United States is often forgotten in the sea of anti-French sentiment with instances like the "Freedom Fries" incident.

 

[GhostWriter16]

In the US it is permissable to deny a minor medical treatment on religous grounds. Christian scientist went to court over the death of there own child by denying him life saving appendix operation instead choose spritiual healing.

Which is strange given the push to ban sharia law in the US. While having such powerful laws protecting religous practices.

Not really. There's a difference between allowing fanaticalism and mandating it by law.

THAT SAID, I still don't agree with that situation. I think the government should be allowed to make them let the child have the operation... or lose the child.

If the child was older and made that choice himself, that would be different.

Even if God did tell them to do that (Which I suppose in a given circumstance could happen) they should still be liable to prosecution. If God can heal the child, he can also keep them from being prosecuted, if that's his will.

As someone has previously said, they are one of the US's traditional allies and have been important on numerous occasions. Their importance to the United States is often forgotten in the sea of anti-French sentiment with instances like the "Freedom Fries" incident.

Yeah, that's true, although most of the time, it was us saving them

Making fun of France is just fun though

 

[nato2101]

I used "Hate" as an exaggeration (It was partly a joke) but I think "Dislike" is accurate.

But that wasn't the point either. The point was that they hate American values of Freedom, otherwise this law would never have been passed.

The law actually comes from the belief the women are forced to wear the burqa. Therefore they are being "liberated".
And America is hardly a country of freedom, between the patriot act, the no fly list, Guantanamo/Gitmo, etc.
Isn't there even a "shadow" court (FISA)?

 

[GhostWriter16]

The law actually comes from the belief the women are forced to wear the burqa. Therefore they are being "liberated".

Thus affirming my belief that the French Government is a bed of morons. How can someone who chooses to wear a burka claim to be forced? (NOTE: Making a child wear it is a different issue, but that's not what the ban covers.)

And America is hardly a country of freedom, between the patriot act, the no fly list, Guantanamo/Gitmo, etc.
Isn't there even a "shadow" court (FISA)?

The United States government is idiotic as well, but I said American VALUES, which our Constitution protects for us, we know the government regularly ignores it (Since they also hate freedom, don't they by virtue of being a government?)

 

[Tee Kay]

The United States government is idiotic as well, but I said American VALUES, which our Constitution protects for us, we know the government regularly ignores it (Since they also hate freedom, don't they by virtue of being a government?)

The Constitutions of the United States of America and the Republic of France say pretty much the same things when it comes to values.

 

[nato2101]

The Constitutions of the United States of America and the Republic of France say pretty much the same things when it comes to values.

Most western constitutions same more or less the same things in terms of values, and most western governments ignore it.

 

[GhostWriter16]

The post above me... how sadly true it is...