Canadian Conservative Party Leadership

[Evie]

I wouldn't call it good riddance. Ambrose had her issues, certainly, especially at Environment (Spoiler: so would have any other Harper apointee, mind), but as interim leader she's been a fairly reasonable leader of the official opposition.

 

[Broken_Erika]

Valid points will not be tolerated.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I wouldn't call it good riddance. Ambrose had her issues, certainly, especially at Environment (Spoiler: so would have any other Harper apointee, mind), but as interim leader she's been a fairly reasonable leader of the official opposition.

I will give her points for cooperating with the government regarding the MMIW inquiry; it's better than Harper's dismissive "It's not high on my radar, actually".

But that's all I give her points for. Constantly carping on the Trudeaus' nannies (they fired one, shut up about it already!), asking the same question about how many times Trudeau met with the Ethics Commissioner over, and over, and over, and over, and over, and over..., pointing the finger at Trudeau for accepting an expensive vacation from a billionaire, when she did the same thing, complaining about Sophie Gregoire-Trudeau's request for one extra person to help her manage her speaking engagements and correspondence (what does Rona's cowboy boyfriend do when he isn't hiring the staff for Stornoway and making sure they get to keep Harper's meatloaf chef?)...

And so on. She's a hypocrite.

 

[EricTheGreat12]

The final day has come; here's the final vote livestream :

http://www.conservative.ca/leadership/en

 

[Valka D'Ur]

And... it's Andrew Scheer, who looks like a younger version of Harper.

Oh, joy.

Well, at least it's not the racist Leitch or the idiot who left classified documents in the home of a woman connected to the Hell's Angels.

I watched a bit of the CBC coverage - dozed through most of it, actually. Leadership races are more compelling when the vote is actually going on right there.

 

[EricTheGreat12]

@Valka D'Ur what did you think of Trost ? Was very surprised by his result. Leitch proved to be a disaster. She was a one issue candidate and it showed that most others had better substance then she did

On the other hand, Scheer will not win in 2019. This myth that somehow Quebec wants to vote for him is an absolute farce in and of itself, he will fall and crumble, resign then we'll have a new leadership convention on our hands.

 

[Evie]

Trost is a pathetic wretch who lasted entirely too long.

Scheer...well, younger Harper is better than most of the alternatives. Unfortunately still one of the wretches who voted against C-16, so I hope he never gets elected.

 

[shadowplay]

I'd like to congratulate the Liberals on their re-election in 2019!

 

[Valka D'Ur]

@Valka D'Ur what did you think of Trost ? Was very surprised by his result. Leitch proved to be a disaster. She was a one issue candidate and it showed that most others had better substance then she did

On the other hand, Scheer will not win in 2019. This myth that somehow Quebec wants to vote for him is an absolute farce in and of itself, he will fall and crumble, resign then we'll have a new leadership convention on our hands.

Trost... anti-choice, anti-same sex marriage, anti-CBC? Anti-Canadian, is what he looks like to me. I despise politicians who can't seem to leave their religion at home where it belongs.

I never thought Leitch would win. I'd be surprised if she even keeps her seat in 2019, unless her riding is full of racists who buy into her "elite liberal media" whining.

Trost is a pathetic wretch who lasted entirely too long.

Scheer...well, younger Harper is better than most of the alternatives. Unfortunately still one of the wretches who voted against C-16, so I hope he never gets elected.

I never paid a lot of attention to him before watching some of the coverage tonight - didn't have any clear idea of what he looked like, even. And then I was glad I hadn't had supper yet, because he looks like he could be a long-lost almost-twin of Stephen Harper (younger one). Someone on CBC.ca commented about a "smiling Stephen Harper" (as in it's bizarre to see that), but his smile puts me in mind of the line from "Harperman" (Tony Turner's protest song) that starts out "His smarmy smile is a thin veneer..."

Smarmy is the word for it, all right. And apparently he was a disaster as Speaker during the Harper years (I didn't watch much Question Period then).

I'd like to congratulate the Liberals on their re-election in 2019!

Hopefully. Although there is still time for Trudeau to annoy enough people that they'll either turn to the NDP or Greens, or not bother voting. Some of this depends on who the NDP choose for their own new leader.

 

[danjuno]

Has anybody made a thread about the NDP leadership election this year? I tried bringing it up in the 2017 elections thread but didn't get a bite.

 

[Valka D'Ur]

I assumed that thread was something American or European-related, so never bothered to check it out. If you want to make a thread about the NDP in particular, I'd be interested. I'm not very familiar with the candidates, but since I usually vote either NDP or Green federally it's a good time to get familiar with who they are and what they stand for.

 

[warpus]

I heard Scheer is like Harper but without the charisma

Sounds like a brilliant plan to take down Trudeau

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Harper had no charisma. At least it appears that this one hugs his kids, or at least the one he was carrying around on stage (he's got five).

Should be interesting to see how the new shadow cabinet shakes out. I don't suppose we could get lucky and he'd replace some of the more loud-mouthed ones (ie. Michelle Rempel, who sees no hypocrisy in screaming about how much she demands to be treated with respect, while simultaneously calling the person she's screaming at a whole list of foul names).

Some people really let that "Honourable" title go to their heads.

 

[EricTheGreat12]

Has anybody made a thread about the NDP leadership election this year? I tried bringing it up in the 2017 elections thread but didn't get a bite.

Would definitely support the making of that thread If you don't make it within the next day or so I'll be glad to start it up

I heard Scheer is like Harper but without the charisma

Sounds like a brilliant plan to take down Trudeau

No charisma and no charm, and there is no way that he'll get as much attention. Has no attraction with the millennial generation and talks about Quebec as if he'll be able to finally solve the French Canadian 'riddle'. Andrew Scheer is a disaster who will give Trudeau another 4 years.

I'm willing to bet on the NDP though if Nicki Ashton doesn't ruin the party and won't become leader.

 

[Zelig]

Hey, Scheer's only 38, so if they just keep him as leader he'll eventually get to be PM by process of elimination. (Liberals can't win for another 40 years straight, NDP can't win ever.)

 

[danjuno]

Here ya go: https://forums.civfanatics.com/threads/new-democratic-party-leadership-election-2017.616174/

 

[warpus]

Harper had no charisma.

Yep, that's the joke

Sounds to me like the Cons might as well split back up into 2 parties again. But I don't think they ever would, unless we get election reform and ditch FPTP

 

[Valka D'Ur]

Yep, that's the joke

Sounds to me like the Cons might as well split back up into 2 parties again. But I don't think they ever would, unless we get election reform and ditch FPTP

Are there any real Progressive Conservatives left in the Reformacons?

Jason Kenney is out here in Alberta, negotiating with the leader of the Wildrose Party to "unite the right" and bring the "joys" of Harperism here. Not that I like the Wildrose; they're worse than the Conservatives in a lot of ways (anti-science, anti-social reform, and not once has any of their people been able to tell me what their party policy is on AISH (they've never even heard of it).

 

[warpus]

Are there any real Progressive Conservatives left in the Reformacons?

It seems that there are plenty of voters who self-identify as conservative but dislike the socially conservative stuff the Cons have been peddling. At least I personally have seen people proclaim "I'd vote Conservative, but..." .. which is anecdotal, but it does seem that there are a lot of moderate Canadians who are relatively socially progressive but could vote for the Libs or Cons depending on the platform and who is running the party at the time. I could be wrong but I think a lot of them voted for the Libs in the last election. If they had a solid conservative party they would probably choose to vote for them instead.

 

[Evie]

Well, seeing as there are in fact a number of Conservatives who did vote for C-16...yes, I would say there are still prog-cons out there.