Capitalism, but only for ourselves - says US

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An interesting piece of news has been going round the world press in the past 2 weeks.

China oil bid tests US free market rhetoric
By Emad Mekay

WASHINGTON - An unsolicited bid by the Chinese National Offshore Oil Co (CNOOC) to buy Unocal, a US oil company, has put Washington's free market rhetoric to the test, with disappointing results, some analysts say.

[snip] the CNOOC uproar demonstrates what happens on the rare occasion when a company from the developing world bids for one in the North. Even though the Chinese company has appeared to play by the rules set by Wall Street, the US Congress quickly recoiled into a defensive posture, calling the bid a threat to national security and urging the Bush administration to quash CNOOC's bid.

"From a public policy point of view, the bid raises serious national security issues as energy is a national security asset under any reasonable definition," said Michael R Wessel, a commissioner with US-China Economic Security and Trade Commission, an advisory group to the US Congress on relations with China. "CNOOC is a state-controlled company. It is not a free-market enterprise," he argued. Wessel said there is a strong chance that at a time of spiraling energy demand and limited supplies, "a state-controlled entity" could purchase a company and then "restrict access to other nations and other consumers of that asset".

he Bush administration, which will have the final say on the security issue, has been silent on the issue thus far. But Congress has been less hesitant. Two weeks ago, dozens of members of Congress sent a letter to the Treasury Department requesting a review by its Committee on Foreign Investment of CNOOC's $18.5 billion bid to buy Unocal, which topped the $16.5 billion bid by US oil giant Chevron. The congressional group, spearheaded by representatives from Texas and Louisiana, major oil-producing states, had warned that China's "aggressive strategy" to increase its energy sources could hurt the US because CNOOC was 70% owned by the Chinese government.

China responded by warning the US Congress to stop "politicizing economic and trade issues." CNOOC's chairman, Fu Chengyu, pointed out that Unocal accounts for just 1% of the total US oil and gas production, an amount that could not possibly pose a threat to US national security. The Chinese company also pledged to sell oil produced by Unocal inside the United States. On July 14, news reports indicated that CNOOC planned to raise its bid by paying an additional $2.5 billion into an escrow account, to further address the concerns of the Unocal board that any deal could be delayed or blocked on national security grounds.

None of this has appeased the critics of the deal. "China has entered into special arrangements with Sudan, with Iran and with other nations where it wants to own oil and other energy assets at the wellhead," said Wessel. "It is not looking long term to compete in the free market for energy assets like the US and other nations. So that raises serious concerns even if one did not have a concern about the 1.75 billion barrels of oil and gas equivalent energy that Unocal has. This is a seminal transaction that sets a precedent for future debates."

But Todd Malan, executive director of the Organization for International Investment (OFII), which represents foreign investments in the United States, said a move by Congress to block the deal outright would send a message that US rhetoric about open investment rules "is a one-way street".

This policy of openness has came to be known as the Washington Consensus, which forms the basis of the ideology governing most of the world economy and its patrons from international institutions, like the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund (IMF). But even the World Bank, viewed by some as an instrument of US foreign policy, has gently said it was natural for China to seek to acquire foreign assets, including in the United States. "China has reached a stage of development in which it makes sense for some of its companies to go global and invest worldwide," said David Dollar, the World Bank's country director in China. "As a US citizen, I think it is a good thing that Chinese companies are investing in the US, just as US companies have done in China for decades now."

Dollar said that aside from the economic benefits, such cross-investment means that each country has a greater interest in seeing the other's economy do well, encouraging governments to work together to maintain an open trading system and to coordinate their macroeconomic policies. "Integration between China and the US requires some painful adjustment on each side, but this integration is in the long-term economic and political interests of each country," he said.

Some US analysts, while acknowledging the right to protect national security, say CNOOC has made it difficult for Washington to argue that the bid poses any real threat. CNOOC, for example, has reportedly promised to divest Unocal assets or technologies, like seismic technology, deemed central to US national security. This may include facilities that Unocal owns and which are part of the US strategic oil reserves.

"To sort of wave your hand and say the Chinese represent a threat to the US and therefore we cannot sell anything that might be scarce in the world that they could use to strengthen themselves is hard to even imagine as justifiable by economics or by the logic of national security strategy," said Albert Keidel, a China expert with the Washington-based Carnegie Endowment for International Peace. "Certainly, purchase according to price has to be one of those rules that are pretty universal."

But US public opposition to the bid appear to be mounting in recent days. According to a Wall Street Journal/NBC News poll, the CNOOC bid is opposed by 73% of participants and supported by only 16%, with 11% unsure. Analysts say this will tend to strengthen the hand of Chevron in the competition for Unocal, and the company has not bothered to compete dollar-for-dollar with CNOOC. Chevron spokesman Donald Campbell said in a July 12 interview: "We have no plan to change our bid. We have the only [approved] merger agreement with Unocal.''

So a Chinese company wants to invest in the US. It can top the bid of Chevron by a few good $ bn. How can you claim, with a straight face that you support the free market with decisions like these?

Besides, if China invests heavily in the US, wouldn't it be much less likely to become an agressive power?
 
The problem is that the Chinese company is owned mostly by the Chinese government, and oil is a strategic resource in high demand.
 
That's not surprising at all. Blocking this bid is strategically smart. China being a rising power and therefore a potential (future) rival to America needs all the oil they can obtain. The plunder of Iraq prevented China from obtaining more much needed oil (or it cut their supply ). So the Chineese need to look somewhere else. As a matter of fact the US should be pertinent with themselves and stop preaching capitalism to everyone once and for all.
 
From what I've read and seen, Unocal amounts to about 1% of U.S. oil production (oops; it's actually in Aphex Twin's article as well) - not exactly a figure that'll leave us defenseless. Ownership by the state adds issues, but I'm still inclined to agree with Aphex Twin, that it'd be pretty hypocritical to step back from free trade in 'just this one instance'. Besides, who would prefer that China ally more with the Middle East for their oil? Better they shop with us than elsewhere, IMHO. High bidder wins.

The U.S. and China are both obviously oil importers - I don't understand why all this talk of oil as a strategic resource enter into the discussion when regardless of who owns Unocal, both countries will continue to bid against each other for oil on the world market.
 
Where have you been? Just look at the agricultural policies in the US, Europe, Japan, etc. When countries talk about "free trade" they usually mean "You open your markets for *us* and...that's it."

I mean the US even screws its allies over in this respect e.g. Canadian lumber, do you honestly think that they'll treat *China* any better? Though most of the rest of the developed world isn't any better.

It's not just on the government level but also on the individual corporate level. For example many companies use free trade or at least the concept of the freedom of movement of capital to outsource to cheaper countries. If workers complain they are portrayed as old stodgies who are trying to hold on to out-moded jobs and stifling innovation. However, if consumers try to do the same thing e.g. buying DVDs overseas for cheaper prices we are suddenly threatening the viability of the industry and ripping off the creators of their hard-earned right for money. I remember a couple of years back the Aussie government actually had to pass a law making it *legal* for stores to parallel import CDs and DVDs from other countries because otherwise they were legally forced to go from the Australian manufacturers. If they can't stifle the free movement of the consumer dollar legally they try to do it technologically e.g. region coding. I also remember some gaming companies (sony or nintendo?) suing people in Europe importing games from Japan. There have also been moves by HP I think to put technological measures to prevent printer cartridges from being used in different countries. Capital wants to be free except when it reduces company profits.

BTW I am not one of those typical leftie anti-globalisation types. I am *pro* free trade and globalisation generally but what's happening in the world is definitely not free trade.
 
The US has been moving steadly far from free trade recently, which is a disgrace. I agree with Aphex's point, though the fact that the chinese government is the main owner of that company does raise some concerns, and isn't exactly a "free-market" thing either.
 
This isn't free trade, for sure, but China's state run oil company is definitely not capitalism either. If they privatized that bad boy I'd be first in line to invest, though. (Now THAT, my friends, is capitalism!)
 
Yea, the fact that it's owned by a totalitarian government is probably the reason. But that doesn't mean Washington has been nice to China either. The Senate and House are ready to slap quotas on Chinese goods unless they revalue the Yuan. Which is very interesting considering that's how Japan, Korea, and even W.Europe used as a tactic to climb up economically.
 
Seems a bit of a joke to me - since China partly/largely bankrolls the 'low' interest rates and lending in the USA - whether or not the country owns 1% of US oil seems irrelevant.

We're crying about a mole hill - when there's a mountain next to it?
 
Uiler said:
Where have you been? Just look at the agricultural policies in the US, Europe, Japan, etc. When countries talk about "free trade" they usually mean "You open your markets for *us* and...that's it."

It's not just on the government level but also on the individual corporate level. For example many companies use free trade or at least the concept of the freedom of movement of capital to outsource to cheaper countries. If workers complain they are portrayed as old stodgies who are trying to hold on to out-moded jobs and stifling innovation. However, if consumers try to do the same thing e.g. buying DVDs overseas for cheaper prices we are suddenly threatening the viability of the industry and ripping off the creators of their hard-earned right for money.
Capital wants to be free except when it reduces company profits.

BTW I am not one of those typical leftie anti-globalisation types. I am *pro* free trade and globalisation generally but what's happening in the world is definitely not free trade.
I agree there wholeheartedly.

This current system has nothing to do with free trade.

I believe for many who support free trade has no idea what free trade is about or have no idea how to make it happen so some countries just won't get robbed. And I don't mean third world countries because it might end up being just the opposite. Only who get really something out this are the big corporations.

There are numerous questions to answer in order to implent free trade in global level. Until that we are bound to have this restricted form of free trade where everyone supports it as long as it helps their interests.

It's politics man, politics.
 
BloodyPepperoni said:
That's not surprising at all. Blocking this bid is strategically smart. China being a rising power and therefore a potential (future) rival to America needs all the oil they can obtain. The plunder of Iraq prevented China from obtaining more much needed oil (or it cut their supply ). So the Chineese need to look somewhere else. As a matter of fact the US should be pertinent with themselves and stop preaching capitalism to everyone once and for all.

Perhaps, but that is not the point. The point is that a state action to protect state business - even if a smart one - is a move against the policy of free market.

luiz said:
The US has been moving steadly far from free trade recently, which is a disgrace. I agree with Aphex's point, though the fact that the chinese government is the main owner of that company does raise some concerns, and isn't exactly a "free-market" thing either.

Ok, but mind me - the mere fact of being owned by the state does not make a company be distant from free market necessarily. If it competes in equality of conditions and without irregular advantages, it should be treated like any other company.

Regards :).
 
I don't want to get involved in the economic debate (just yet). But I do want to say that I find it a bit hysterical the way this story has been reported in the mainstream press. There's definitely an undertone in most accounts. And that undertone is a suggestion of this sinister, creeping, insatiable Sino-power. Well we have this kind of stuff going on all over the time. Typically with US companies doing the taking over. Of greater scale than this deal also. Let's face it - the reason why this is high in the news agenda is due to spin. Spin designed to set our minds up for economic/political/diplomatic/trade resistance to China. Consider the EU / China arms trading debate for example. I think the word propaganda is too strong but the placement of this story displays some propaganda techniques at work. (Whatever happened to Stratego's thread on the subject btw?)
 
FredLC said:
Ok, but mind me - the mere fact of being owned by the state does not make a company be distant from free market necessarily. If it competes in equality of conditions and without irregular advantages, it should be treated like any other company.

Regards :).

You're right of course, but my point was rather that some states don't like to have foreign government-owned companies with influence on sectors they consider strategical.

I disagree with their decision, though. This was clearly not a strategical threat.
 
In the free market, the buyer and seller must agree on a sale before that sale can be made. If the owner of the thing under consideration doesn't want to sell it, no sale.

Unocal is part of the U.S.; and the U.S. government is simply an agency of We The People. And according to the article, 73% of We The People oppose the sale.

Who should hold the final jurisdiction here? The voters? The government? The corporations? (ewww) :)
 
Perhaps, but that is not the point. The point is that a state action to protect state business - even if a smart one - is a move against the policy of free market.

You are right, this is indeed a move against the concept of free-market. I never said I supported that, I merely pointed the reasons why the whole thing happened.

Unocal is part of the U.S.; and the U.S. government is simply an agency of We The People. And according to the article, 73% of We The People oppose the sale.

:confused:
What do you mean by 'is part of the U.S'? Is Unocal a state-owned buisness?
 
Capitalism, but only for ourselves - says US

False statement. There is plenty of investment in the US from many sources, to include Japanese car manufacturing exported here from Japan. Additionally, China sets its currency to the US currency and is a large holder of US Treasury Bonds. The reasons in the case are different, even if you think they are wrong. Mergers and buyouts between US companies are stopped all the time for various reasons, some good, some bad. Its called regulated capitalsim.
 
BloodyPepperoni said:
What do you mean by 'is part of the U.S'? Is Unocal a state-owned buisness?
It's built on U.S. soil. In a bunch of other cases (the only difference being that whatever facility was built on the territory of some indigenous native tribe somewhere), that alone was trumpeted by various factions as meaning the facility belonged to them. A few times in the past, various nations simply up and took the land back from whoever had built stuff on it.

On the one hand (as with the Souter's House deal), we've got "keep the government out of it". On the other hand, we've got "keep the corporations out of it". Problem is, there aren't too many methods, to really control corporations, except for government power. So it comes down to the question of who should have ultimate authority over the land. The answer changes depending on who you ask and whose interests are at stake.
 
Rambuchan said:
I think the word propaganda is too strong but the placement of this story displays some propaganda techniques at work. (Whatever happened to Stratego's thread on the subject btw?)

I sort of agree, it almost appears as if the nation of China will be our next "enemy" as told by the government. I just hope we don't go into Cold War hysteria again. We don't need anymore "godless, capitalism hating, enemies"
 
One questionable area is that for unocal. most of its reserve is in the South east asia. So where did they get the contract from ? who sold it to them ? Should the PPL in south east asia revert the deal if its in their very own national security ??
 
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