Jehoshua
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I know. Thought that I would point out errors anyways, considering it was below your ordinary standards for accurate satire
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I know. Thought that I would point out errors anyways, considering it was below your ordinary standards for accurate satire
Luckymoose
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Someone has to be. God knows the other great powers--except Russia--don't do a damn thing to keep the world turning.
Shadowbound
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Yeah, for a place that elected Anton Drexler, they've been incredibly ineffectual.
Quisani
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We have to do things!?! That's new to me. I thought the mere existence of Japan was sufficient.
Terrance888
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Johnston's Florida was more of a great power than Japan ever was, diplomatically.
Shadowbound
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Power is a verb, doncha know.
Terrance888
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My Florida exercised power like Johnston exercised his hatred of the negrotariat.
TheLastJacobite
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And now they're working alongside Jacksonia to save said negrotariat...
Jehoshua
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Such as Vinland, Russia and the United States for instance.
It was most interesting seeing Vinland choose the cause of the US and Russia over the other American states. Realpolitik does make strange bedfellows indeed, perhaps you realised that the domination of the USA by the proletarists was not in your interests afterall from such a perspective.
It was most interesting seeing Vinland choose the cause of the US and Russia over the other American states. Realpolitik does make strange bedfellows indeed, perhaps you realised that the domination of the USA by the proletarists was not in your interests afterall from such a perspective.
Vinland's relationship with the rest of its continent has been quite bizarre over the last few decades, particularly due to the rather significant polarization of views between the Vinlandic Centre-Right and the Vinlandic Left. I can only suspect that it will get even more weird, as the reclamation war unfolds.
TheLastJacobite
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I will do my best to keep things interesting.
Like breaking the agreement you just signed with the US (along with decades of proclaiming neutrality) and invading your neighbor to the south?
I don't intend to break any agreements, and I haven't had a decades long history of proclaiming neutrality. I was actively involved in helping the United American Republic rise to power, and I provided assistance in pacifying the Allied Territories of America. It would be more accurate to state that Gudrunsson-era Vinland developed a two decade tradition of applying democratic peace theory to the continent through PADA, although that generally came to an end when America threatened invasion if we intervened in the Colorado Conflict.
The closest we get to being properly neutral is when we lose patience with the rest of our continent and decide to leave it to its own devices.
Jehoshua
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Well there's your problem, you should know by now that Democratic Peace Theory fails miserably whenever you throw NES'ers into the mix (since players have nothing really to lose since an NES is a game, they are much more inclined to get into wars). That and your vacillation (and perceived or actual political agenda) in certain incidents undermined the legitimacy and vitality of PADA and ended any plans you had for peace in our time.
Hahah, democratic peace theory does indeed fall apart when countries are led by NESers... but Gudrunsson was a man of very idealistic views, and he didn't know that he's in a game where other countries are run by NESers.
Regarding the demise of PADA... well, you could point to a lot of small mistakes, but the major cause would be that the foreign policy goals of America, Argentina, Brazil and Vinland, which coincided at the time of the Accord's creation, drifted out of unison over the following decade. The fact that there was disagreement over what to do with the new government of Jamaica (given that the Portuguese had destroyed the previous government) was a result of this larger issue, rather than an underlying cause of the conflicts within PADA. As such, I'd disagree with your assessment that it was Vinlandic vacillation that undermined the legitimacy and vitality of PADA. Besides, there wasn't even a great deal of inconsistency from us here. We maintained a consistent stance on the Jamaica issue which was fully in keeping with the PADA Charter (do not invade immediately, attempt to reinstall a democracy through diplomatic means, invade if that fails).
Regarding the demise of PADA... well, you could point to a lot of small mistakes, but the major cause would be that the foreign policy goals of America, Argentina, Brazil and Vinland, which coincided at the time of the Accord's creation, drifted out of unison over the following decade. The fact that there was disagreement over what to do with the new government of Jamaica (given that the Portuguese had destroyed the previous government) was a result of this larger issue, rather than an underlying cause of the conflicts within PADA. As such, I'd disagree with your assessment that it was Vinlandic vacillation that undermined the legitimacy and vitality of PADA. Besides, there wasn't even a great deal of inconsistency from us here. We maintained a consistent stance on the Jamaica issue which was fully in keeping with the PADA Charter (do not invade immediately, attempt to reinstall a democracy through diplomatic means, invade if that fails).
Terrance888
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Johnston also had a consistent world view. :3
Jehoshua
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Perhaps, but Iggy surely isn't, and when playing as our liberal Gundrunsson I'm sure he could of tinkered his liberal program for its recipients no .
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As to the root origins of the demise of PADA, I think its not so much a divergence of foreign policy between the main members, but that PADA itself became attached to a particular political agenda (yours) which became problematic in a multi-agent institution. Thus when Vinland, who became the face of PADA in a way, vacillated on various issues (with regards to moralism, with regards to Traditional Proletarism and so forth) rather than being decisive in applying PADA's charter (indeed willingly choosing to interpret the charter to justify its vacillation) the deathknell rang.
Oh and before you say refraining from invading Jamaica was not indecisive, it was precisely vacilation because you chose to interpret events and PADA so that there was no point at which "diplomacy" could be considered failed. Indeed you could of invaded Jamaica at the soonest opportunity, having asked it to restore democracy previously (and being refused in all likelihood) and have fulfilled the letter of the charter. On this and in various other crises, Vinland chose to interpret PADA and its own national role (hand-wringing all the while) in manner that avoided hard and clear decisions, failing to make a strong stand for any position, including standing for the liberalism it proclaimed (against Trad Proletarism in the case of Jamaica, or moralism for that matter) or for a vision of PADA as an impartial institution bound only by support for democracy (questions regarding partiality being the final nail in the coffin as moralism became increasingly popular)
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As to the root origins of the demise of PADA, I think its not so much a divergence of foreign policy between the main members, but that PADA itself became attached to a particular political agenda (yours) which became problematic in a multi-agent institution. Thus when Vinland, who became the face of PADA in a way, vacillated on various issues (with regards to moralism, with regards to Traditional Proletarism and so forth) rather than being decisive in applying PADA's charter (indeed willingly choosing to interpret the charter to justify its vacillation) the deathknell rang.
Oh and before you say refraining from invading Jamaica was not indecisive, it was precisely vacilation because you chose to interpret events and PADA so that there was no point at which "diplomacy" could be considered failed. Indeed you could of invaded Jamaica at the soonest opportunity, having asked it to restore democracy previously (and being refused in all likelihood) and have fulfilled the letter of the charter. On this and in various other crises, Vinland chose to interpret PADA and its own national role (hand-wringing all the while) in manner that avoided hard and clear decisions, failing to make a strong stand for any position, including standing for the liberalism it proclaimed (against Trad Proletarism in the case of Jamaica, or moralism for that matter) or for a vision of PADA as an impartial institution bound only by support for democracy (questions regarding partiality being the final nail in the coffin as moralism became increasingly popular)
