Capto Iugulum Background Thread

[Terrance888]

Yes. I remember what happened to my glorious Connecticut in TWTUD.

Damn school for not letting me build on the "escaped heir" plotpoint!

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

Connecticut was ABNW. TWTUD was the one where USA #1! USA #1! USA #1!

A good point though luckymoose, I suppose it is best to speak to TLJ in his own language.

 

[Crezth]

TWTUD, I remember that. That was the game I fought wars. In ABNW, hmm, I think I fought some wars in that game. A far cry from Capto, better known as my war-fighting time.

 

[TheMeanestGuest]

It is my opinion that the government of Florida is not blind to the clear and immediate danger presented by the Chicago regime to Florida's very survival as a nation. From their perspective, this war has very little do with proletarism, and much more to do with an irredentist and aggressive United States that seems hell-bent on restoring itself to pre-ACW borders. While the Floridian government has some dislike and only marginal sympathy for proletarists, they are relatively content so long as those proletarists remain on the other side of the Mississippi. Florida recognizes the extraordinary foolhardiness of attempting to 'regain' east Florida from the UPRA, particularly in light of the United States own catastrophic endeavor. While the government recognizes the key role that the UPRA plays as foil to the USA, Florida has extreme reservations about any military cooperation with the UPRA, and doesn't have any intention of fighting side by side with the proletarists, as we are sure the proletarists have no interest in fighting side by side with us. Our interest is maintaining disengagement with the UPRA, and minimal overlap in any potential zones of operations. Which is perhaps disadvantageous from a purely military perspective, but otherwise necessary.

It is likewise the current government's (quiet) opinion that war with Jacksonia was wasteful and unnecessary, and largely a result of lingering Johnstonian elements within the government, as well as the confused ambitions of Mathew Lockwood. Cooperation with Jacksonia is largely incidental, and parcel to our recognition of our own best interests. While Florida enjoys its good relations with Brazil, our government does not share Brazil's opinion that Jacksonia is a proletarist entity, as we see little evidence of this. We note Jacksonia's diplomatic support for the UPRA, but do not think this qualifies as proletarism itself.

Some degree of civil disapproval in certain circles is anticipated, and those citizens are more than welcome to peacefully express their displeasure, though the government shall continuously and clearly express its absolute certainty that this war is necessary for Florida's very survival.

I, as a player, was unaware of any ongoing oil treaty. I have read every update that concerns Florida, but it is possible I missed this. Regardless, oil is a popular product, and I am sure that after a potentially painful period of adjustment we will find new markets.

Similarly, any lack of declaration of war is entirely my fault as a player. I had intended to, but this slipped my mind until after EQ announced that orders were closed. I then thought it would be somewhat disrespectful (to the other players) to do so, given that they would be unable to react.

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

Actually, these days I do allow players to react, that's why updates tend to take longer now, because I tip people off and allow them to make new decisions to things, when needed. Just wait until we get a REALLY big war.

@crezth: Your war in TWTUD was one of my favorite ever, with warman17 in Italy. I have to say, I thoroughly enjoyed that conflict. ABNW as France, I actually enjoyed the American war a bit more when it came to actual conflicts, but the buildup for the war and your slow placement of all of the pieces in the years leading up, that was by far my favorite part.

 

[TheMeanestGuest]

I was unaware. If you allow retcons, then, feel free to consider Florida as having made a public declaration of war if you so choose.

 

[Luckymoose]

TWTUD was USA and DAI doing a lot of things like Brazil and Russia will probably end up doing in the coming decades. SPACE RACE!

We meet again, TLJ. >:[

 

[Terrance888]

New Barcelona =/= East Florida. But I accept your explanation. Proceed. (And Suffer )

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

@TheMeanestGuest: Actually as it turned out there was a lot of overlap between you and the UPRA, didn't go well for them.

@Luckymoose: Indeed, if you can restrain yourself from nuking the entire world (assuming there are nukes) there are many interesting things that could be done in the latter half of this century.

 

[Luckymoose]

@Luckymoose: Indeed, if you can restrain yourself from nuking the entire world (assuming there are nukes) there are many interesting things that could be done in the latter half of this century.

We can nuke Europe again, right?

 

[Jehoshua]

Looks like North America is turning into the worlds premier Proletarist Paradise. Presuming of course I'm not reading things incorrectly thanks to being woken up at 4:30am by a dastardly roof marsupial.

 

[Circuit]

TWTUD was USA and DAI doing a lot of things like Brazil and Russia will probably end up doing in the coming decades. SPACE RACE!

We meet again, TLJ. >:[

Lucky, you will find yourself competing with ME in the space race, because if there's anything I look forward to in this NES more than anything else is space colonization, sci-fi toys, etc. You can bet your boots that I'll be involved in the space race as Britain or anyone else who has a shot if Britain failed to survive that long.

And no nukes, Lucky. No! (I still have bad memories of INES II where the NES ended because of an extremely dumb nuclear showdown, and I had just barely started running my dream nation, the Hellenic Imperium.)

 

[Jehoshua]

You can bet your boots that I'll be involved in the space race as Britain or anyone else who has a shot if Britain failed to survive that long.

One just has to love the slow motion diminution of Empire that is observable in the British Imperium.

 

[TheLastJacobite]

One just has to love the slow motion diminution of Empire that is observable in the British Imperium.

Especially since they started it themselves...

 

[Jehoshua]

To be fair on Circuit though, Britain's involvement in the Fireworks War is what's really driving the process along. Africa quite possibly only fell to a bunch of squabbling states because of imperial overstretch in its decision to fight the Red Army. Considering Guangxi has tangentially began a shift away from Britain, perhaps all in all the costs of that decision outweighed any benefits. At any rate if it had fought in Africa instead of China, it had a good chance of maintaining its colonies, with Guangxi maintaining a chance of perpetuating its existence considering It almost certainly wouldn't of in the absence of British support, gotten into a foolish, strength sapping, war with the Ascendants.

 

[Luckymoose]

Lucky, you will find yourself competing with ME in the space race, because if there's anything I look forward to in this NES more than anything else is space colonization, sci-fi toys, etc. You can bet your boots that I'll be involved in the space race as Britain or anyone else who has a shot if Britain failed to survive that long.

And no nukes, Lucky. No! (I still have bad memories of INES II where the NES ended because of an extremely dumb nuclear showdown, and I had just barely started running my dream nation, the Hellenic Imperium.)

I doubt Britain will be a main player in twenty years. You can tag along on my program if Russia hasn't killed everyone in Europe by then.

As for nukes, I'll do fine. TLJ and I had enough nukes in reserve in TWTUD to kill the planet multiple times over and we never went hot with them. That was all the European peeps.

 

[ChiefDesigner]

To be fair on Circuit though, Britain's involvement in the Fireworks War is what's really driving the process along. Africa quite possibly only fell to a bunch of squabbling states because of imperial overstretch in its decision to fight the Red Army. Considering Guangxi has tangentially began a shift away from Britain, perhaps all in all the costs of that decision outweighed any benefits. At any rate if it had fought in Africa instead of China, it had a good chance of maintaining its colonies, with Guangxi maintaining a chance of perpetuating its existence considering It almost certainly wouldn't of in the absence of British support, gotten into a foolish, strength sapping, war with the Ascendants.

I believe more Britons have died in the Fireworks Wars than in the Great War...

 

[Circuit]

To be fair on Circuit though, Britain's involvement in the Fireworks War is what's really driving the process along. Africa quite possibly only fell to a bunch of squabbling states because of imperial overstretch in its decision to fight the Red Army. Considering Guangxi has tangentially began a shift away from Britain, perhaps all in all the costs of that decision outweighed any benefits. At any rate if it had fought in Africa instead of China, it had a good chance of maintaining its colonies, with Guangxi maintaining a chance of perpetuating its existence considering It almost certainly wouldn't of in the absence of British support, gotten into a foolish, strength sapping, war with the Ascendants.

The BIGGEST reason why East Africa collapsed the way it did was because I didn't really understand which colony was in trouble when looking at the stats and I actually sent soldiers away from East Africa to the wrong place. So that was totally a derp on my part that I really kicked myself over days afterwords, a clerical error of the worst degree. After the colony broke out, the Xinjing Massacre occurred, and the update said the evidence pointed to China, so I went after China (to not do so after the murder of the king would have surely meant a stability hit) and decided to leave East Africa which really wasn't offering much EP and would have been far more expensive to reconquer. In hindsight, China had nothing to do with the massacre, but I stand by my decision at the time.

I'd also think that Guangxi distancing itself from Britain after the British Expeditionary Force saved the government from a proletarist coup and is sending troops to help keep Guangxi secure would not be very popular. I know that I certainly wouldn't stand idly by if Guangxi became very serious about complete independence.

And even if Britain is only a regional power by the time of the space race with only the home islands' EP, you can bet that every dime I can spare will go into tech and the space race.

 

[Lord of Elves]

I made the argument a while ago, and by a while ago I mean at the beginning of last summer, that the Kongo regime would be incapable of holding onto Scandinavian Africa and that once the largest colonial empire on the continent went, so would the rest. I believe history has vindicated my position

 

[m.t.cicero]

I don't really see diplomatic distancing from Britain coming anytime soon; Dominion status aside, Britain is (arguably) Guangxi's most powerful neighbor, and its only neighbor that it doesn't have potentially conflicting territorial claims with. Culturally however, and perhaps governmentally, I think that the higher-ups in Guangxi have come to realize that the nationalism sparked by the Fireworks Wars favors a shift away from Anglicization, which really never was popular in the first place. Guangxi its still trying to establish its own identity, which is something that has eluded me through my year of playing it; its Dominion status complicates any attempt to look like a legitimate Chinese government, while (in my completely unbiased opinion) it remains the best place for a Chinese person to live in the Capto universe, being democratic (unlike the Realm) and domestically ruled by Chinese (unlike Japanese China). Regardless, I think that Guangxi and the Qing monarchs will continue to see the British as their closest allies for the foreseeable future, though I do believe that there is growing resentment to the persisting, subservient title of Dominion.