Unless I've done it already, this is the 24 hour warning to get those orders in. Now back to Warlocks: Masters of the Arcane for me!
Capto Iugulum
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Jehoshua
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On the American Question
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The Holy See considers the ultimate foundation of the American Problem of division and conflict as ultimately spriniging from the fundamental ideological basis of the former and current territories of the United States of America in Protestantism. Protestantism, which is an instrument of division and thus a servant of Satan portrays religion as relative, coming from an individuals interpretation of sacred scripture. Furthermore it proclaims (erroneously) that salvation is through faith alone, using even an improper definition of faith itself (equating it with mere belief) and denying the absolute sovereignty of God in the salvation of men. These two errors simply lead to men founding all manner of separate "churches", thousands upon thousands of them to conform to what they want, instead of choosing to conform themselves to what God wants. For if simple belief is necessary for salvation, and if one interprets scripture to suit their desires the protestant assures himself (falsely) that he is "saved", denying the reality of the particular judgement after death.
Regardless this inherent self-aggrandising relativism is furthermore reflected in tendencies in soecietal thought towards moral relativism, into religious relativism and ultimately into an utter debasement of the christian principles of objective truth all together and an atheistic point of view. This is why for example proletarian authors have mentioned protestantism is suitable for the proletarian, the Protestant religion ultimately is a religion of man, that must ultimately conform to the socio-moral terms of men and what they, intrinsically inclined to evil desires, desire. This thus makes it easy for the protestant to conform himself to erroneous and ultimately atheistic ideologies. Indeed it is no surprise that the errors we have already condemned have emerged strongly in regions where protestantism has taken hold, or where the state has rejected the legitimate place of the Church.
Thus in the territories aforementioned, this protestantish foundation of the people has ultimately become manifest temporally with division, on moral and ideological bases. For as protestantism as a morally relative force ultimately results in divisions uncounted, so too ultimately must protestantism in every time and place unless checked by an outside force (such as a tyrannous state, or some dictatorship of relativism that does not recognise Truth itself as certain and inviolate) produce temporal divisions in the society itself as a reflection of its spiritual disjunction. This we see in North America with its schism into ideological spheres.
In regards to the faithful therefore, it increasingly becomes self evident that the Catholic Faith is the sole remedy to the errors of our times. For only the Catholic Church, guided as it is by the Holy Spirit and preserved from error, has the unity of faith, and the firm foundation in objective truth to stand consistently in opposition to the corruptions of liberalism, proletarianism and socialism. For as the American example shows, when the spiritual foundations of society are divorced from the Catholic Faith, and where the Church is completely divorced and separated as if by a wall from the state, and denied its legitimate place as arbiter of truth and developer of civilisation either through absence. That society must ultimately become the reflection of its spiritual error in the form of tyranny, or in division. As such it becomes clear to us that in regards to the errors of Proletarianism, liberalism and socialism, and all other manners of perversions aside, that they are a disease to which the Catholic Church is the cure.
~ Pope Paul VI
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The Holy See considers the ultimate foundation of the American Problem of division and conflict as ultimately spriniging from the fundamental ideological basis of the former and current territories of the United States of America in Protestantism. Protestantism, which is an instrument of division and thus a servant of Satan portrays religion as relative, coming from an individuals interpretation of sacred scripture. Furthermore it proclaims (erroneously) that salvation is through faith alone, using even an improper definition of faith itself (equating it with mere belief) and denying the absolute sovereignty of God in the salvation of men. These two errors simply lead to men founding all manner of separate "churches", thousands upon thousands of them to conform to what they want, instead of choosing to conform themselves to what God wants. For if simple belief is necessary for salvation, and if one interprets scripture to suit their desires the protestant assures himself (falsely) that he is "saved", denying the reality of the particular judgement after death.
Regardless this inherent self-aggrandising relativism is furthermore reflected in tendencies in soecietal thought towards moral relativism, into religious relativism and ultimately into an utter debasement of the christian principles of objective truth all together and an atheistic point of view. This is why for example proletarian authors have mentioned protestantism is suitable for the proletarian, the Protestant religion ultimately is a religion of man, that must ultimately conform to the socio-moral terms of men and what they, intrinsically inclined to evil desires, desire. This thus makes it easy for the protestant to conform himself to erroneous and ultimately atheistic ideologies. Indeed it is no surprise that the errors we have already condemned have emerged strongly in regions where protestantism has taken hold, or where the state has rejected the legitimate place of the Church.
Thus in the territories aforementioned, this protestantish foundation of the people has ultimately become manifest temporally with division, on moral and ideological bases. For as protestantism as a morally relative force ultimately results in divisions uncounted, so too ultimately must protestantism in every time and place unless checked by an outside force (such as a tyrannous state, or some dictatorship of relativism that does not recognise Truth itself as certain and inviolate) produce temporal divisions in the society itself as a reflection of its spiritual disjunction. This we see in North America with its schism into ideological spheres.
In regards to the faithful therefore, it increasingly becomes self evident that the Catholic Faith is the sole remedy to the errors of our times. For only the Catholic Church, guided as it is by the Holy Spirit and preserved from error, has the unity of faith, and the firm foundation in objective truth to stand consistently in opposition to the corruptions of liberalism, proletarianism and socialism. For as the American example shows, when the spiritual foundations of society are divorced from the Catholic Faith, and where the Church is completely divorced and separated as if by a wall from the state, and denied its legitimate place as arbiter of truth and developer of civilisation either through absence. That society must ultimately become the reflection of its spiritual error in the form of tyranny, or in division. As such it becomes clear to us that in regards to the errors of Proletarianism, liberalism and socialism, and all other manners of perversions aside, that they are a disease to which the Catholic Church is the cure.
~ Pope Paul VI
Lord of Elves
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Clearly, we have been called into the service of whatever true God there might be, to cure the diseases of organized religion, Papism, and bourgeouise-capitalist wageslavery. We the workers ceaselessly strive to keep our glorious Revolution alive!
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
TO: Phalanx
FROM: Brazil
CC: World
Any warship flying a flag of a member state of the Phalanx military alliance, that comes across the Atlantic or Pacific towards the South American continent, can consider itself in a war zone as of 1915.
FROM: Brazil
CC: World
Any warship flying a flag of a member state of the Phalanx military alliance, that comes across the Atlantic or Pacific towards the South American continent, can consider itself in a war zone as of 1915.
TheLizardKing
Let's talk Michelle.
From: Germany, on behalf of the Transcontinental Alliance
To: Brazil
You have no right to speak for the entirety of South America. If you wish to disallow our ships to move through Brazilian waters, that's one thing. But attempting cease any and all ships heading around the Continent is highly aggressive, belligerent, and has no precedence.
To: Brazil
You have no right to speak for the entirety of South America. If you wish to disallow our ships to move through Brazilian waters, that's one thing. But attempting cease any and all ships heading around the Continent is highly aggressive, belligerent, and has no precedence.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
TO: Germany
FROM: Brazil
We have naval bases within range of the entire Atlantic side of the continent. German ships will be considered aggressive for entering our territorial waters.
FROM: Brazil
We have naval bases within range of the entire Atlantic side of the continent. German ships will be considered aggressive for entering our territorial waters.
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
Spain wishes to announce that it is locking down its borders in Egypt. The border between Egypt and Dumyat, as well as the border between Kongolese East Africa and Egypt, will be now subject to increased border security and checkpoints.
We hope you understand the need for Egyptian security.
We hope you understand the need for Egyptian security.
Blue Bacon 3
Prince
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To: World
From: Grand Republic of Florida
We've decided, on further contemplation, that the New Barcelona Compact is not in the best interest of the government of the Grand Republic of Florida. We, therefore, consider it null and void in regards to the Grand Republic of Florida.
However, we still request admittance into the Pacific Concord.
OOC: I'm very embarrassed to say this, but... I've come to believe that this is a very bad idea, and OOC, and... forget all of this, New Barcelona compact and all, and... here's a pony.
Spoiler :
To: the Grand Republic of Florida
From: the Kingdom of Peru
The Kingdom of Peru votes Aye to the admittance of the Grand Republic of Florida to the Pacific Concord with a glad heart now that her involvement in the Compact is history (despite her good influence on those other questionable entities).
A further aye vote will be required by the Empire of Japan, and their subsequent ratification of Florida's accession.
Quisani
Gaming Person
TO: The Republic of Florida
FROM: The Empire of Japan
CC: The Kingdom of Peru
Aye.
FROM: The Empire of Japan
CC: The Kingdom of Peru
Aye.
Blue Bacon 3
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To: The Republic of Florida
From: The Kingdom of Peru
We welcome the Grand Republic of Florida to the Pacific Concord!
To: Aztlan
From: Peru
The Kingdom of Peru hereby signs a Mutual Pact of Protection and Trading Agreement with Aztlan and will ratify it this year in Parliament upon its acceptance by Aztlan.
- King Juan I of the Kingdom of Peru, Prime Minister Eduardo Perez
From: The Kingdom of Peru
We welcome the Grand Republic of Florida to the Pacific Concord!
To: Aztlan
From: Peru
The Kingdom of Peru hereby signs a Mutual Pact of Protection and Trading Agreement with Aztlan and will ratify it this year in Parliament upon its acceptance by Aztlan.
- King Juan I of the Kingdom of Peru, Prime Minister Eduardo Perez
To: Grand Republic of Florida
From: Italy
We would like to show our support for your nation in these times of Proletarian danger. Italy extends an offer of a one way defensive pact with your great Republic. Which would assure you that you would not have to come to our aid if anything were to happen with us, but as long as we aren't involved in a major war we will be able to come to your aid if something were to threaten you. Do you agree to these terms?
From: Italy
We would like to show our support for your nation in these times of Proletarian danger. Italy extends an offer of a one way defensive pact with your great Republic. Which would assure you that you would not have to come to our aid if anything were to happen with us, but as long as we aren't involved in a major war we will be able to come to your aid if something were to threaten you. Do you agree to these terms?
Circuit
Writing Letters
To: Italy
From: Florida
We agree.
From: Florida
We agree.
Effective immediately all technologies are no longer sharable. Designs can still be shared and with the update will come dramatic revisions to the tech tree. It was either this or raise the costs of tech to ridiculous levels. Collaboration on technologies also forbidden from here on out, as on designs, though feel free to give someone money to make a design for you. Just be aware of the risks of enriching others.
If you have already sent orders, and they conflict with this or overspend on different techs, you will be reimbursed. Similarly, a large number of technologies are going generic, and if you spent on these technologies, the excess will go into your bank.
As stated MANY, MANY times already, technologies are not the key to the whole world and unlimited power. Unfortunately, judging by behavior, orders, and conversations, it's clear that no one believes me, therefore this extreme action is quite needed. You brought this upon yourselves.
IMPORTANT EDIT:
Since i have more free time than I expected before I can get home and actually update, it's time for ELABORATION!
The Tech Tree as initially demonstrated on the thread, and stated many times before, has only been an opening salvo into the way technologies work in this NES. From the beginning, I instituted it more or less as a placeholder in order to slowly introduce new ideas such as the previously discussed Special Research Projects. I have in the past raised prices to discourage exploitation and unreasonable tech races/alliances, but clearly this has not been enough. Therefore, I am instituting by RULE what I had hoped would be the norm from the beginning: Emphasizing the trade of DESIGNS over technologies. This is a far more realistic manner of technology distribution and was always intended to ultimately be the norm as the NES progressed. Due to events, which should be obvious, I have decided to far more abruptly implement and use the latter stages of my tech tree. Thankfully all the changes below still correspond with the overall background tech advancement tree that I've created, so the only change this represents is eliminating the ability to trade technologies and research them openly in front of all other eyes. Please note that while you CAN design a bunch of things, you may not actually NEED to. Setting priorities is what you need to focus on, and remember, your loyalty should be to your nation and people NOT to arbitrary allies that you've assembled for random advancement.
Here's what actually will be happening with the update:
1. (Probably) All Army Technologies will be eliminated. Armored research will instead rely on experimentation with designs, which are going to have a set cost per point, which'll be substantially cheaper than the current set cost. Any special improvements will of course arrive via Special Research Project. It should be noted that while designs should be relatively reasonably priced now, construction is going to be the .
2. Almost all navy technologies will be eliminated, and most of the planned ones that were going to be added onto the tree will be replaced as Special Research Projects. All naval designs will be set at a base cost of 20 EP per point. Similarly, I will be adding two new classes of vessel, the first designed to be a lighter craft than a Destroyer. The Rios-Class River Boat will be the only ship in this new category. The carrier class will be available immediately, but will be more expensive to design than other vessels.
3. All air technologies will be eliminated. Aircraft designs will be available to all, but aerodynamics will be completely eliminated for the time being. In order to advance the technology available, you must experiment with designs, whether yours or someone else's. This can be wargaming, fighting, or any other of test scenario. Similarly, aircraft designs will continue to cost hefty prices which can be lowered through growing production and experimentation. This is how all planes were supposed to work from the beginning, and I only added them to the tech tree against my better judgement. Lesson: Never go against your instincts.
4. All technologies remaining (not many) will be combined into a post elsewhere, and the prices will be raised upon them all. Tread carefully.
SECOND EDIT: 5. After talking to luckymoose, I had a thought. People who have made their own designs, or have certain techs that are being eliminated, will be given extra "free" points to distribute into new designs of that class. You will receive one "free" point for each improved design you make (making a bunch of crappy ships or tanks will not receive said bonus). Furthermore, the free points will not increase the overall cost of the unit. Not only will this free me from any guilt of not refunding your expenses, but it'll reward those who design their own stuff. While you're perfectly free to mooch off your allies, be warned, your allies are getting better and better, and they may not always be your allies.
This also means that you can expect an earlier arrival for SRPs, the first of which probably would not have begun arriving until the late 1920s. Enjoy.
If you have already sent orders, and they conflict with this or overspend on different techs, you will be reimbursed. Similarly, a large number of technologies are going generic, and if you spent on these technologies, the excess will go into your bank.
As stated MANY, MANY times already, technologies are not the key to the whole world and unlimited power. Unfortunately, judging by behavior, orders, and conversations, it's clear that no one believes me, therefore this extreme action is quite needed. You brought this upon yourselves.
IMPORTANT EDIT:
Since i have more free time than I expected before I can get home and actually update, it's time for ELABORATION!
The Tech Tree as initially demonstrated on the thread, and stated many times before, has only been an opening salvo into the way technologies work in this NES. From the beginning, I instituted it more or less as a placeholder in order to slowly introduce new ideas such as the previously discussed Special Research Projects. I have in the past raised prices to discourage exploitation and unreasonable tech races/alliances, but clearly this has not been enough. Therefore, I am instituting by RULE what I had hoped would be the norm from the beginning: Emphasizing the trade of DESIGNS over technologies. This is a far more realistic manner of technology distribution and was always intended to ultimately be the norm as the NES progressed. Due to events, which should be obvious, I have decided to far more abruptly implement and use the latter stages of my tech tree. Thankfully all the changes below still correspond with the overall background tech advancement tree that I've created, so the only change this represents is eliminating the ability to trade technologies and research them openly in front of all other eyes. Please note that while you CAN design a bunch of things, you may not actually NEED to. Setting priorities is what you need to focus on, and remember, your loyalty should be to your nation and people NOT to arbitrary allies that you've assembled for random advancement.
Here's what actually will be happening with the update:
1. (Probably) All Army Technologies will be eliminated. Armored research will instead rely on experimentation with designs, which are going to have a set cost per point, which'll be substantially cheaper than the current set cost. Any special improvements will of course arrive via Special Research Project. It should be noted that while designs should be relatively reasonably priced now, construction is going to be the .
2. Almost all navy technologies will be eliminated, and most of the planned ones that were going to be added onto the tree will be replaced as Special Research Projects. All naval designs will be set at a base cost of 20 EP per point. Similarly, I will be adding two new classes of vessel, the first designed to be a lighter craft than a Destroyer. The Rios-Class River Boat will be the only ship in this new category. The carrier class will be available immediately, but will be more expensive to design than other vessels.
3. All air technologies will be eliminated. Aircraft designs will be available to all, but aerodynamics will be completely eliminated for the time being. In order to advance the technology available, you must experiment with designs, whether yours or someone else's. This can be wargaming, fighting, or any other of test scenario. Similarly, aircraft designs will continue to cost hefty prices which can be lowered through growing production and experimentation. This is how all planes were supposed to work from the beginning, and I only added them to the tech tree against my better judgement. Lesson: Never go against your instincts.
4. All technologies remaining (not many) will be combined into a post elsewhere, and the prices will be raised upon them all. Tread carefully.
SECOND EDIT: 5. After talking to luckymoose, I had a thought. People who have made their own designs, or have certain techs that are being eliminated, will be given extra "free" points to distribute into new designs of that class. You will receive one "free" point for each improved design you make (making a bunch of crappy ships or tanks will not receive said bonus). Furthermore, the free points will not increase the overall cost of the unit. Not only will this free me from any guilt of not refunding your expenses, but it'll reward those who design their own stuff. While you're perfectly free to mooch off your allies, be warned, your allies are getting better and better, and they may not always be your allies.
This also means that you can expect an earlier arrival for SRPs, the first of which probably would not have begun arriving until the late 1920s. Enjoy.
Mickzter97
The One and Only
The Hungarian-Germanic Alliance
The Empire of Germany and Kingdom of Hungary hereby agree to the following:
i - A pact of defense whereby Empire of Germany and Kingdom of Hungary will protect each other in times of war.
ii - An agreement whereby each nation is encouraged to economically aid each other.
iii - The sharing of militaristic designs at each party's discretion.
Signed, King Vladislaus IV, True King of Hungary.
TheLizardKing
Let's talk Michelle.
We talked briefly about this earlier, I'm just wondering if I'll receive a refund for the 480 EP I already put into the air tech, level 3. Since I haven't 'discovered' the tech yet, I assume that won't give me bonus points.
IC:
Germany signs the Hungarian-Germanic Alliance, with the caveat that military designs are shared at each party's discretion.
The Foreign ministry of the Confederation is genuinely rather confused by the precise nature of the (possibly) intricate system of alliances apparently binding together the nations of Germany, Italy, Hungary, Spain, Japan, Jacksonia, Florida, Peru, Hawaii, and Chile. We see and understand that the latter six of those states are obliged by the Pacific Concord to defend each other in case of attack; we also see that Germany and Hungary have an alliance, and Italy has a one-way alliance with Florida.
However, we do not quite understand all this. Are we to take it that Italy also has an alliance with Hungary seeing as they protected them even without one? Seeing as Spain, I seem to remember, left the Phalanx sometime last year over the American matter, is Spain still in any wise formally allied with Germany? what about with Italy? or does the Transcontinental Alliance now cover all the listed nations except Hungary - in which case is Italy's supposedly one-way alliance with Florida in fact redundant? or is the Confederate Foreign Ministry entirely barking up the wrong tree? and what precisely are the terms of the Transcontinental Alliance, and who are its members?
We would desire, preferably from Germany, a nation that seems to be at the centre of things, a precise, comprehensive, in-thread account, of precisely who is allied with who and on what terms in this mesh of alliances, because, to be honest, we have absolutely no idea what we are meant to take to be the state of diplomacy in the present circumstances.
However, we do not quite understand all this. Are we to take it that Italy also has an alliance with Hungary seeing as they protected them even without one? Seeing as Spain, I seem to remember, left the Phalanx sometime last year over the American matter, is Spain still in any wise formally allied with Germany? what about with Italy? or does the Transcontinental Alliance now cover all the listed nations except Hungary - in which case is Italy's supposedly one-way alliance with Florida in fact redundant? or is the Confederate Foreign Ministry entirely barking up the wrong tree? and what precisely are the terms of the Transcontinental Alliance, and who are its members?
We would desire, preferably from Germany, a nation that seems to be at the centre of things, a precise, comprehensive, in-thread account, of precisely who is allied with who and on what terms in this mesh of alliances, because, to be honest, we have absolutely no idea what we are meant to take to be the state of diplomacy in the present circumstances.
Luckymoose
The World is Mine
TO: Franco-Burgundian Confederation
FROM: Brazil
We request a similar arrangement to the British. That being a single, renewable non-aggression pact between our nations.
FROM: Brazil
We request a similar arrangement to the British. That being a single, renewable non-aggression pact between our nations.
We agree, on the same terms as on the Cherbourg Accords with regard to allies, &c. (1. Neither party will declare war on the other within a space of six years (lasting until 1920), except in case of a declaration of war by either party on a bound ally or protectorate of the other where the binding agreement or proclamation antedates these Accords, and before any such declaration the parties agree to meet and negotiate on the subject in good faith; ), but we will point out that we count under these terms our obligations as a member of the LCN, i.e. to preserve Europe from undue external intervention, and our newly established intention to protect the Federal Government of the USA. If a dispute arises there we will, of course, negotiate in good faith.
Order revisions will not be accepted beyond this point.
Grandkhan
Telvanni Master Wizard
I think what happened with designs and techs is that they became very expensive and out of budget for a lot of countries. Countries like Spain and Brazil can't research a lot of technologies themselves any more, so Britain and Germany had to research all the techs themselves. At that point, it becomes more efficient to research the tech and then get your allies to make the designs for you while you research something else.
This system might be a little better at avoiding that.
To: The Franco-Burgundian Confederation, Brazil
CC: anybody else of interest
From: Spain
The alliance networks are as follows.
Germany, Italy, and Japan are allied in the form of the Transcontinental Alliance (formerly Phalanx). Spain is an observer nation of the the Transcontinental Alliance.
Germany has a defensive pact with Hungary.
Italy has a defensive pact with Florida.
Spain has a defensive pact with Sardinia, as well as with the Franco-Burgundian Confederation (I guess its still active)
Japan has a separate defensive pact, the Pacific Concord, with Hawaii (a protectorate), Peru, Chile, Jacksonia, and Florida.
I think thats how it works, let me know if I missed something.
This system might be a little better at avoiding that.
To: The Franco-Burgundian Confederation, Brazil
CC: anybody else of interest
From: Spain
The alliance networks are as follows.
Germany, Italy, and Japan are allied in the form of the Transcontinental Alliance (formerly Phalanx). Spain is an observer nation of the the Transcontinental Alliance.
Germany has a defensive pact with Hungary.
Italy has a defensive pact with Florida.
Spain has a defensive pact with Sardinia, as well as with the Franco-Burgundian Confederation (I guess its still active)
Japan has a separate defensive pact, the Pacific Concord, with Hawaii (a protectorate), Peru, Chile, Jacksonia, and Florida.
I think thats how it works, let me know if I missed something.
