Capto Iugulum

[Luckymoose]

Brazil guarantees the independence of the Kongo. Just fyi.

 

[Grandkhan]

The Emperor of Spain is fron the family of the Trastámara, direct descendants of the Catholic Kings through their son Juan.

That's already been established? Cool. That makes things a lot easier.

 

[GamezRule]

Thanks Lord of Elves and Lord Iggy, any background helps for someone who is joining an NES on its 175th page.

You'll grow to secretly loathe Brazil just like everybody else.

 

[Luckymoose]

You'll grow to secretly loathe Brazil just like everybody else.

Jason and I already had our years long feud in ABNW. It is time for a fresh start.

 

[Circuit]

OOC: Good God school has hit me hard. So much work... I only barely got to this.

IC:
To: Jacksonia
From: Grand Republic of Florida

Our nations have had close histories and nearly identical policies up to this point. Even our elections had similar results. We therefore would like to propose the Western Pacific Economic Pact (distinct of the Pacific Concord, though we will both maintain that pact), in which our nations adopt a unified currency, trade policies, and unified foreign policy, and also enter a defensive pact. We hope this intrigues you.

To: The World
From: Grand Republic of Florida

It is this year that the institution of slavery ends in the Grand Republic. All remaining slaves in the Grand Republic of Florida shall be granted their freedom, and their owners provided compensation. Slavery will no longer be a legal institution in the Grand Republic of Florida.

The Grand Republic of Florida nominates London for the 1920 Olympics. We also look for
proxy states to send our athletes, since the Grand Republic of Florida has not been inducted into the IOC.

 

[ELITEOFWARMAN8]

Sorry if I am asking a dumb question again, but is there any countries open here?

 

[Mickzter97]

*facepalm*
Lol, check the first page under stats, those without a user are open. Welcome!

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

@ELITEOFWARMAN8: Yes, there are a large number of countries still open. Send me a PM answering the following questions and I'll recommend one or two:

1. Warfare, domestic policies, or something in between the two?

2. Western culture or something else?

3. Somewhere in the thick of things or isolated from other players?



For everyone else, this is the 48 hour warning.

 

[Lord of Elves]

Thanks Lord of Elves and Lord Iggy, any background helps for someone who is joining an NES on its 175th page.

Be good to my angry, capitalist, prodigal child

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Thus far I'm willing to go with what you've said, as we've discussed the difficulty in establishing a historically-plausible royal house for Scandinavia. Empress Christine II's reign technically preceded Emperor Harald's, when she was crowned Queen-Empress (that being the title prior to the political integration of Norway and the Act of Union) after her father Gustavus Adolphus' death. Gustavus Adolphus' reign was troubled chiefly by the First Pomeranian Crisis, when Sweden had delegated the oversight of the Pomeranian provinces to its ally Prussia, and Prussia had betrayed Sweden and used its newly-acquired resources to foment disorder in Swedish Livonia. While the First Pomeranian Crisis was easily resolved by the complete annihilation of Prussia as an existing state, that clearly did not resolve the Pomeranian issue once and for all. Gustavus Adolphus' increasingly-frail and potentially senile state was blamed for Sweden's lack of success in the War of the Catholic League, which he and military royalists always maintained was a victory for Sweden over the Papists of Spain and Rome, but many always felt differently.

When Gustavus Adolphus died, Christine II ascended to the throne. In order to cement Sweden's relations with Poland, who had been its ally in the war against Prussia, Christine was married to the Polish crown prince. The monarchy remained static for some time thereafter, until the Norwegian Union Crisis. Emperor Harald I of Scandinavia was regarded by Norwegian nationalists as the rightful king of an independent Norway, and during the Union Crisis, Christine interceded to keep Norway in the nation and arranged to marry Harald I. Until Harald I's death, Harald and Christine ruled as cogency monarchs, "Emperor Harald I and Empress Christine II, King of Norway and Queen of Sweden".

Up to and after Harald I's death, Empress Christine's reign was marked with the transition of Sweden from an absolute monarchy with all power resting in the hands of the monarchy and a set group of landed and military aristocrats to a parliamentary monarchy, and a unitary, democratic state with the inclusion of Norway. She is revered as a figure of modernization and liberalization, and her separation from the events of recent history makes her similarly beloved by Scandinavian proletarists, who regard her as an example of a "good monarch" as opposed to Tsarist tyrants.

It occurs to me that it is entirely possible, Lord Iggy, that the sister you're talking about was the subject of a failed royal marriage between Sweden and Portugal sometime in the late-1840's/1850's. It's additionally entirely possible that she is an offshoot of the same branch that would later be made the royal family of Pomerania.

EDIT: The liberalizations and the Act of Union made, as I recall, Scandinavia the first parliamentary monarchy in Europe to the exception of Britain.

So Gustav Adolph (whose number depends greatly on how history went in this timeline) had two daughters, Kristina II and a currently-unnamed one, who I will take the liberty of naming Sofia. Kristina would reign from Gustav Adolph’s death in 1852 until some time between 1892 and 1900. She had two marriages, one to a currently-unnamed Prince of Poland, and another to Harald I. Harld I became co-ruler of Scandinavia with the Act of Union, which happened in (LoE, can you give me years for a few of these events?). I assume that Harald II, Emperor-in-Exile of Scandinavia is the firstborn son of Harald I of Norway and Kristina II of Sweden.

Sofia’s history is more vague. She apparently marries and then divorces a Portuguese Prince, and then possibly marries again. I am not yet sure which marriage would have produced Ingvar, although to make the timelines work, Ingvar was born in 1869. She also has a connection to the Monarchy of Pomerania. Lord of Elves, when did you establish a native Monarchy in Pomerania? Perhaps her second marriage was to a Prince of the Pomeranian scion of the ruling house.

Now, as for the matter of the ruling house of Scandinavia. spryllino's right, Holstein-Gottorp is only mildly better than Bernadotte. Given that a large period of history between 1000 and 1800 seems to be very cloudy in this timeline, it seems quite likely that we have an entirely new althistorical royal family.

 

[christos200]

 

[Lord_Iggy]

We are discussing bits of alternate history, specifically relating to the royal houses of Europe, that have not yet been fully fleshed-out christos.

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

Yeah, I did originally have plans to flesh all of that out prior to Part 1. I wanted this though: people writing royal houses on their own. Beyond Milarqui, however, didn't happen as much as I would have liked.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Well, we seem to be retroactively going through that now.

 

[Lord of Elves]

So Gustav Adolph (whose number depends greatly on how history went in this timeline) had two daughters, Kristina II and a currently-unnamed one, who I will take the liberty of naming Sofia. Kristina would reign from Gustav Adolph’s death in 1852 until some time between 1892 and 1900. She had two marriages, one to a currently-unnamed Prince of Poland, and another to Harald I. Harld I became co-ruler of Scandinavia with the Act of Union, which happened in (LoE, can you give me years for a few of these events?). I assume that Harald II, Emperor-in-Exile of Scandinavia is the firstborn son of Harald I of Norway and Kristina II of Sweden.

Sofia’s history is more vague. She apparently marries and then divorces a Portuguese Prince, and then possibly marries again. I am not yet sure which marriage would have produced Ingvar, although to make the timelines work, Ingvar was born in 1869. She also has a connection to the Monarchy of Pomerania. Lord of Elves, when did you establish a native Monarchy in Pomerania? Perhaps her second marriage was to a Prince of the Pomeranian scion of the ruling house.

Now, as for the matter of the ruling house of Scandinavia. spryllino's right, Holstein-Gottorp is only mildly better than Bernadotte. Given that a large period of history between 1000 and 1800 seems to be very cloudy in this timeline, it seems quite likely that we have an entirely new althistorical royal family.

A few months ago I could have told you what the prince's name was, but he did have a name, and he went on to be king of Poland(?) though not before being humiliated by the quick divorce that was railroaded through by his wife and her ministers in order to resolve the Union Crisis. I am fairly certain the Act of Union occurred anywhere from 1847 to 1849. The sister, who sure let's call Sofia, was to be married to a Portugese prince in order to cement the relationship between Scandinavia and Portugal which was famously on-again off-again throughout much of the 19th century up until Portugal lost its principle colonies. The marriage was supposed to lead to an eventual alliance, but ultimately it did not go through because of what was still intense animosity between Protestants and Catholics (particularly Scandinavian and Iberian ones) then over the War of the Catholic League. For anyone who isn't aware the War of the Catholic League started in 1831 and was primarily executed by what I'll refer to as the very short-lived North Sea Alliance of Great Britain, Sweden and the Netherlands against what was then the Holy Empire of Spain over an alliance it was attempting to arrange between itself and all the Catholic nations of Europe.

It was a military disaster for the North Sea Alliance, which fell out shortly thereafter (though the relationship between Scandinavia and the Netherlands continued for many years afterwards, save for a brief cooling over matters of trade and economic access to China), it was a diplomatic victory for Sweden and the Netherlands as Spain disavowed the Catholic League entirely thereafter. It didn't stop Spain from intervening whenever it felt necessary in order to prevent Italian unification as attempted by various Italian states over the intervening years.

The Pomeranian monarchy, and Pomerania as an independent state, was probably established sometime in the 1860's during the NES's BT. It is entirely possible that Sofia went on to be a part of the branch which was installed, probably as some kind of family favor Napoleon-to-his-siblings-style, in the newly independent Pomerania.

As for Gustavus Adolphus, his primary accomplishments as monarch were the defeat and eradication of various North American tribes, the punishment of Prussia and its royal house for their betrayal of Scandinavia in the First Pomeranian Crisis (which served to reverse a decision of his to cede Pomerania to Prussia in order to purchase Prussia's loyalty and calm the German sphere) and to get OTL Vancouver Island named after him. The economic and international misfortune that occurred during the short and difficult last years of his reign almost lead to a liberal revolution which was killed in infancy by the accession of his daughter, Christine II, whose reign after the Union Crisis was marked by historic prosperity and international success for the Empire of Scandinavia, and is remembered fondly basically by all Scandinavians but the most avowed proletarists. Consider it a political statement about what kind of monarch she was, and the prosperity of her reign, that even the monarch-despising proletarists find it difficult to insult dear old Christine's memory. She was after all, the people's Empress.

 

[SamSniped]

To turkey
From Kurdistan
I will consider dividing the land between us, with reparations payed to me. Nothing other than that will be accepted.

 

[SouthernKing]

To: Florida
From: Jacksonia

Such an agreement would be of great benefit to both our nations. Accepted in a heartbeat.
We also congratulate you on shunning the atrocious practice of slavery.

 

[EQandcivfanatic]

To: Kurdistan
From: Turkey

The Roman compromise solution was highly suitable for all parties. We will not agree to your terms, so it seems that the war must continue.

 

[SamSniped]

To Turkey
From Kurdistan
So be it.

To Russia, Roman Empire
From Kurdistan
CC any interested parties
The Turks have insisted upon continuing this war and not compromising under fair terms. A formal state of war now exists between Kurdistan and Turkey.

 

[Lord_Iggy]

Vinland Fact Sheet

Map:

Flag:

White-outlined black nordic cross outlined on royal blue, with Tre Konor and Gyllensvärd in the canton.

Capital:
Nya Stockholm

Official Language:
Swedish

Government:
Unitary Parliamentary Constitutional Monarchy

Monarch:
King Ingvar I Gyllensvärd

Statsminister:
Grim Magnusson

Ruling Party:
Socialdemokratiskapartiet

Population:
14 581 000

Currency:
Vinlandic Krona

Demographics

Ancestry:
69.2% Scandinavian
-41.1% Swedish
-12.9% Finnish
-10.3% Norwegian
-4.6% Danish
-0.3% Icelandic
20.9% Russian
-17.4% Novgorodian
-3.5% Muscovite
5.1% American
1.9% German
1.6% Polish
1.1% Native
0.2% Other

Home Language:
88.6% Vinlandic Swedish
5.1% English
1.7% Novgorodian Russian
1.6% German
1.4% Polish
0.9% Native Dialects
0.6% Muscovite Russian
0.1% Other

Population by Landsdel:
Nya Sverige: 5 231 000
Dammark: 4 850 000
Västermark: 2 814 000
Haroldstad: 801 000
Adlö: 672 000
Norrland: 110 000
Markland: 81 000
Helluland: 22 000

Population of Major Cities:
Nya Göteborg (Nya Sverige): 1 008 000
Nya Stockholm (Nya Sverige): 728 000
Sjöstad (Dammark): 595 000
Sammanström (Västermark): 483 000
Konradsköping (Haroldstad): 371 000
Porten Adolphus (Adlö): 159 000
Nidaros (Dammark): 122 000
Johansborg (Nya Sverige): 119 000
Nya Malmö (Dammark): 112 000
Vattenby (Dammark): 105 000
Kronor (Nya Sverige): 104 000
Kristiania (Dammark): 82 000